With the lazy turnouts we see here, it would not take a miracle to see Republicans overtake the Democrats simply by showing up to vote.  The attitude "What difference does it make?" keeps many people from even trying.

The only joke is people who refuse to vote, yet they type online comments nonstop bashing the elected officials they don't like.

Well, we had a Republican Gov from 2002 - 2010.  So it's happened. 

With the lazy turnouts we see here, it would not take a miracle to see Republicans overtake the Democrats simply by showing up to vote.  The attitude "What difference does it make?" keeps many people from even trying.

The only joke is people who refuse to vote, yet they type online comments nonstop bashing the elected officials they don't like.

Hey Guys,
Don't get me wrong. I always vote and encourage like minded people to vote.
My council critter, congress critters,
legislator critter, and state senator critter all have heard my concerns.
My legislator critter submitted a change in HRS 134-9( CCW) using my exact wording. It died of course.
due to an Oahu Democrat.
I've had a coffee meeting with my council critter to discuss how to get my police chief "retired", because of
his CCW stance.  I can't find a local lawyer to pursue a Qui Tam based on USC title 18 section 242
action against him, that section is  a criminal not civil action.
My point was and is, until you get rid of the Oahu Democrat party machine, there will be little chance
for legal freedom and liberties in Hawaii.

Somehow he has Hillary written all over him.  I think he is a democrat plant.

Somehow he has Hillary written all over him.  I think he is a democrat plant.

That is quite the long elaborate plan considering he was a Republican governor before.

So, you changed your stance from "Voting for the best candidate regardless of party" to "I'll vote for Gary Johnson to make a statement against Republicans?"

If you can compromise your wishy-washy principles to do that, then there is no reason you can't vote for Trump to help stop Hillary.

You're running out of excuses to not vote for Trump.

I am modifying my position due to new information. That is the initillectual thing to do. My reasons for voting for Johnson are not based on a single issue thus even if one disappears the others remain. I still think Johnson is better than Clinton or trump even if Johnson is a faux libertarian.

So no, I am not wishy washy. I can just comprehend that  politics is not 2 dementional.

Besides, you keep ignoring the facts that Clinton will win Hawaii so my choice to vote for someone other than trump does not hurt your golden boy.

I am modifying my position due to new information. That is the initillectual thing to do. My reasons for voting for Johnson are not based on a single issue thus even if one disappears the others remain. I still think Johnson is better than Clinton or trump even if Johnson is a faux libertarian.

So no, I am not wishy washy. I can just comprehend that  politics is not 2 dementional.

Besides, you keep ignoring the facts that Clinton will win Hawaii so my choice to vote for someone other than trump does not hurt your golden boy.

For someone who holds out hope his third party vote will have some meaning other than helping Hillary win, you sure do deny there's any chance at all Hawaii Republicans would be able to drag enough people to the polls to top the Dems who by now are probably pretty disillusioned with Hillary!

Will Hillary win Hawaiii?  Probably.  is there no chance at all Trump will not win Hawaii if the Dems stay home and the Republicans turn out?  As was said earlier, we had a 2-term Republican Governor after a long Democrat streak.  All streaks come to an end at some point.

Saying it's futile simply gives up without even trying.

For someone who holds out hope his third party vote will have some meaning other than helping Hillary win, you sure do deny there's any chance at all Hawaii Republicans would be able to drag enough people to the polls to top the Dems who by now are probably pretty disillusioned with Hillary!

Will Hillary win Hawaiii?  Probably.  is there no chance at all Trump will not win Hawaii if the Dems stay home and the Republicans turn out?  As was said earlier, we had a 2-term Republican Governor after a long Democrat streak.  All streaks come to an end at some point.

Saying it's futile simply gives up without even trying.

I am using the own logic people spout in not voting for a third party is a reason to vote third party thereby illustrating the fallacy of the logic. Yes Trump could theoretically win Hawaii, no I don't hold my breath. I have always considered voting third-party as a way of sending a message to Republicans. I have also considered it is a way of giving credence to a third party. The fact that Johnson isn't a very good libertarian doesn't detract from those other two things. Also the fact that Johnson is neither as corrupt as Clinton or as crazy as Trump it's still a reason to vote for him even if I disagree with some of his stances. I don't hold Johnson to be the perfect candidate comma but one way of looking at it is that he is the least worst. You may not agree and I don't hold it against you but don't shame me into voting a certain way.

Smoking bongs doesn't make a person a Libertarian....  just saying.

Smoking bongs doesn't make a person a Libertarian....  just saying.

I thought it made you President?

on that same line of not trying to be incendiary towards illegals, let's call criminals as socially challenged individuals and offer them sanctuary in a place called jails.

on that same line of not trying to be incendiary towards illegals, let's call criminals as socially challenged individuals and offer them sanctuary in a place called jails.

I cringed a bit when he made that comment. I get the logic from a certain standpoint but his answers just too soft.

I just can't tell whether he truly believes it or whether he is trying to get votes.

so with his logic if there's money in the bank - not yours by the way - anybody with a need or desire is entitled to it...hmmm....

His comments on illegal immigration are not "Libertarian".  They're anarchist!

so with his logic if there's money in the bank - not yours by the way - anybody with a need or desire is entitled to it...hmmm....

What do you mean? I am not sure if I follow your analogy as it pertains to illegal immigrants.

Somehow he has Hillary written all over him.  I think he is a democrat plant.

Gary Johnson is the Plan B, if Plan A (Hillary) fails. IMO

Hillary Clinton is (cough cough) Plan A, and is gonna (cough cough) remain Plan A, cuz she has been carefully selected over the years (cough cough).

Gary "I'm a Libertarian" Johnson is out there to draw in the disgruntled fans for Bernie "I'm not a communist" Sanders who do not want to vote for Clinton but are not really sure they want to vote for Trump.

Giving them (the Sandfans) Johnson makes sense, especially in light of Johnson's TRIGGERED stance on illegals, as can be seen on the video, so he can suck up votes which would have otherwise gone to Trump by default.

Hillary Clinton is (cough cough) Plan A, and is gonna (cough cough) remain Plan A, cuz she has been carefully selected over the years (cough cough).

Gary "I'm a Libertarian" Johnson is out there to draw in the disgruntled fans for Bernie "I'm not a communist" Sanders who do not want to vote for Clinton but are not really sure they want to vote for Trump.

Giving them (the Sandfans) Johnson makes sense, especially in light of Johnson's TRIGGERED stance on illegals, as can be seen on the video, so he can suck up votes which would have otherwise gone to Trump by default.

I think Johnson might steal more votes from Clinton then Trump