Electoral college (Read 19143 times)

passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2016, 11:48:23 AM »
Twitter reporting Trump won popular vote too with updated numbers. I have not found any reference for that yet.
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PeaShooter

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2016, 12:19:53 PM »
I hope so, that would teach the media not to report and speculate on false news which is what they have been doing throughout the past year. Their fake polls, predictions, and discussions proved that they were, and continue to be, hugely biased against Trump.

London808

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2016, 12:47:00 PM »
If you hear liberals taling about he popular vote just remind them that she did not win the majority vote, More people voted not Hillary then for Hillary.
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passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2016, 10:23:32 PM »
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Who are “Faithless Electors”?

A faithless elector is one who casts an electoral vote for someone other than the candidate they have pledged to elect. On 157 occasions, electors have cast their votes for president or vice president in a different manner than that prescribed by the legislature of the state they represent. Of those, 71 votes were changed because the original candidate died before the elector was able to cast a vote. Two votes were not cast at all when electors chose to abstain from casting their electoral vote for any candidate. The remaining 85 were changed by the elector's personal interest or perhaps by accident. Usually, the faithless electors act alone.

There are laws to punish faithless electors in 24 states. While no faithless elector has ever been punished, the constitutionality of state pledge laws was brought before the Supreme Court in 1952 (Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214). The court upheld those laws that require electors to pledge to vote for the winning candidate, as well as remove electors who refuse to pledge. As stated in the ruling, electors are acting as a function of the state, not the federal government, and states have the right to govern their officers. The constitutionality of punishing an elector for actual faithlessness, however, has never been decided by the Supreme Court. In any event, a state may only punish a faithless elector after the fact; it has no power to change their vote.

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passivekinetic

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zippz

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2016, 11:22:15 AM »
What a lot of people don't realize is the states are voting for the president, not individual's in the national scheme of things.  If a state has 10 electoral votes and Trump wins by 60% to Hillary's 40%, then the 10 votes go to Trump because that's how the majority in the state voted.  If some of the 10 votes go to Hillary, then they are voting against the people in the state.  The individual electoral votes don't reflect the national vote, instead they are concerned with their state vote.

I expect a few electors will go against their state vote.  However nowhere near the amount it'll take for Hilary to win.  Trump has a significant lead.  Flipping the election would be an embarrassment to the US.

passivekinetic

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visioneer

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2016, 05:14:46 PM »
The electoral college sucks, but what sucks even more is if you listen to the liberal media defending it even though it caused them to lose. It's a mechanism to control the people and make sure true democracy is not possible, which is why they would never abandon such a powerful tool even in the face of defeat. The idea of "deplorables" choosing their own leadership is much too frightening.

Just an fyi, the founders of our country knew that a true democracy ultimately ends up in tyranny which is why they gave us a Constitutional Republic. Here's an excellent video explaining why.

passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2016, 10:03:48 PM »
Excellent video to share.
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passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2016, 02:33:55 PM »
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hvybarrels

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2016, 12:18:26 AM »
I get the republic thing but it's pretty obvious that the electoral college is set up to skew democratic elections and preserve the centers of power. Like first-past-the-post it eliminates outsider parties and makes it impossible to drain the swamp.
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robtmc

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2016, 11:02:57 AM »
I get the republic thing but it's pretty obvious that the electoral college is set up to skew democratic elections and preserve the centers of power.

I see it the other way around, to prevent "centers of power"  AKA large urban areas, from controlling the rest of the country.

Would you really want NYC, SF, LA, Chicago, Filthadelphia, NJ, etc. ruling us and deciding who will be president?

Surf

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2016, 12:12:59 PM »
I get the republic thing but it's pretty obvious that the electoral college is set up to skew democratic elections and preserve the centers of power. Like first-past-the-post it eliminates outsider parties and makes it impossible to drain the swamp.
Not to be nitpicky but the EC was set up to avoid "democratic types of elections", which I think we hopefully agree are a bad thing.  The EC is intended to prevent large hive-minded groups from forming and taking control over everyone else in the country creating a "my way or the highway" type of situation.  There are differing types of "free elections", however ours are not really geared towards a Democratic society, but rather our form of government being a Constitutional Republic. 

As Rocky mentions, in a true Democracy the very liberally biased and densely populated areas would make all the decisions for everyone in the country.  Pretty much the most liberal of liberal areas like those that exist in California, NY, Illinois, Florida, etc, would dictate everything that is done in the entire country.  Democracy is a bad thing and has proven not to work well.  There is a definite reason for the rapid succession and success of the United States on the world scene, given its very short time frame of existence in the big picture.  It can be directly tied to the formation of our government based on the Constitution and being a Constitutional Republic with diversity and a voice for all and not just those who agree with one another.

passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2016, 10:50:38 PM »
I get the republic thing but it's pretty obvious that the electoral college is set up to skew democratic elections and preserve the centers of power. Like first-past-the-post it eliminates outsider parties and makes it impossible to drain the swamp.

Visioneer's posted video is a good explanation why America is not designed as a democracy.

Draining the swamp is another challenge.
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Jl808

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2016, 10:59:01 AM »
The USA is a union of 50 states. Hence the electoral votes.
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passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2016, 10:26:06 PM »
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zippz

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2016, 08:12:39 AM »
Another way to see it is the US is kinda like the European Union where countries (in the US we call them states) organize under a central authority.  People don't vote for changes in the EU.  Instead the countries submit votes, and the people vote inside of their countries.

People don't realize that the US is made up of individual countires because we have broad freedoms.

passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2016, 05:49:07 PM »
Another way to see it is the US is kinda like the European Union where countries (in the US we call them states) organize under a central authority.  People don't vote for changes in the EU.  Instead the countries submit votes, and the people vote inside of their countries.

People don't realize that the US is made up of individual countires because we have broad freedoms.

The founding American philosophy is a culture of defiance and independence.

This is totally different from the European countries which were founded ages ago by kingship and royalty.

Even today, many Europeans worship their kings and queens.

This should be totally abhorrent to true Americans. Worshipping royalty is a slap in the face of treating everyone with equal respect. Royalty means some people are BORN to be servants while others are BORN to rule them.

The fundamental unit of society for America is the individual.

Those EU countries mostly are about their national pride, ethnic heritage, etc. (with coats of arms and other such bullshit).

This is why we have guns and related rights enumerated in the constitution of These united States, and why such rights are totally baffling to Europeans who don't understand why we would need guns and protection from a loving authority.
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passivekinetic

Re: Electoral college
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2016, 11:44:39 AM »
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