No violence here: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/14/confederate-statue-toppled-in-north-carolina-during-protest.html

Amazing all these SJWs don't target other racist groups such as OMGs.

Usually you have to invade a country to topple statues like that.

The reason why it's important for Trump to denounce these groups by name the first time is because of places like Juno, Utah, Gold, and Sword beaches and the men who gave their lives to stop the march of the Nazis.  Our grandfathers and fathers did not lay down their lives to let the very evil they died for to flourish in America. 

If I offended you, then I apologize.

I was not offended. I think you can see, based on what I posted, why I feel the alt-right label is defined as a WS and neo nazi type group. Others, including yourself feel otherwise. If my definition of alt-right is wrong then I apologize..

To me the Breitbart is okay. I don't rely on them for my news, though. Info Wars is not alt-right but at times as bad as CNN with the right's version of fake news. It is not to say they don't produce truthful articles. It is just that they have gotten to the point of not always printing the truth so I avoid them, usually. If one cannot trust what they print then it is not worth reading. Unless it is The Onion. Breitbart can be a reliable news source. Info Wars is sensationalism like CNN. But alt-right? Not in my opinion as I don't see them as racists.

Not sure what prompted your comment regarding the GOP not winning in the 2018 election? I didn't mentioned anything about it. But I don't disagree with you. Statistically speaking you are correct. Neither one of us can predict the future so all we can do is hope. And while you have history on your side, I think 2018 may just be one of those years that bucks the trend. At least I hope it does. So while I hope you are wrong you more than likely will be correct at the end of the day. Since no one knows what the Trump effect is going to be, it will be interesting to see what happens in 2018.

The reason why it's important for Trump to denounce these groups by name 

Gee, I do not recall Obunghole denouncing any of the racist negro groups.  Seems I remember him speaking of them in glowing terms, and inviting them to the White Hut.

He gets a pass?

we're a country of crybabies - that's what it is.
All these people crying racist, sexist or bigot when they don't get their way. Even if you don't agree with them, you're labeled a hater, fascist, racist, sexist.
We need to grow the fuck up - that's what we need to do. So the President doesn't scold a certain kid but denounces all this hate and racism - so what?! President Trump is married to an immigrant and his daughter married Jewish.

Not sure if you saw my previous posts but there is no name to clear here. Fake news. Nothing burger. All made up by the MSM and you are spewing out the same. He condemned everyone and everything with his first comment. That was all that was needed. Anything else = made up in your and the MSM minds.

To use your example if you accuse me of rape 100 times don't you think I am not going to listen to you any more? And ignore you? And since any type of denial I would give would never be good enough for you, why would I even try? Sound familiar? The old saying about the little boy crying wolf so many times people stopped listened comes to mind here.

I understand you are trying to discuss a topic here. And I get it that you listen to the MSM and parrot them and try to justify it by saying republicans back you up. But they are all Trump's enemies that have and will continue to spew this crap. If it was not this it would have been something else like the previous 1,000 things they are currently trying to bad mouth the president about. Like most others here we don't listen to this fake news nothing burgers any more. JMHO

The following article just backs up what I said yesterday. The MSM is now condemning Trumps latest condemnation. It does not matter what he says, they are just going to pounce on Trump and make up fake news so people believe he has to defend himself. Or people believe he is inadequately handling this. It is total hogwash and it is ridiculous. Here are the articles:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2017/08/14/nets-still-not-happy-condemn-trump-new-condemnation?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkdNMk1UUTJaR016WlRZNCIsInQiOiJseWxpXC91aGJlOUNhMTA3N1RTS1NMeU1MTGJsV2JSWlRJNCtTSUlcLzFqakFKMktTanNcLzd1WDRVUmJUeis3Z2hTNG9mdmZteURndGZqRUJxOXJkYkRpaUtObm1zTHY2YXlWZ3ZwejVcL25XOGcyOHZ3QnVnRXVhXC82c1N0cmdyV3VZIn0%3D

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2017/08/14/msnbc-trumps-remarks-didnt-do-enough-lowest-possible-bar?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkdNMk1UUTJaR016WlRZNCIsInQiOiJseWxpXC91aGJlOUNhMTA3N1RTS1NMeU1MTGJsV2JSWlRJNCtTSUlcLzFqakFKMktTanNcLzd1WDRVUmJUeis3Z2hTNG9mdmZteURndGZqRUJxOXJkYkRpaUtObm1zTHY2YXlWZ3ZwejVcL25XOGcyOHZ3QnVnRXVhXC82c1N0cmdyV3VZIn0%3D

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2017/08/14/never-satisfied-cnn-lambastes-trump-new-charlottesville-remarks?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkdNMk1UUTJaR016WlRZNCIsInQiOiJseWxpXC91aGJlOUNhMTA3N1RTS1NMeU1MTGJsV2JSWlRJNCtTSUlcLzFqakFKMktTanNcLzd1WDRVUmJUeis3Z2hTNG9mdmZteURndGZqRUJxOXJkYkRpaUtObm1zTHY2YXlWZ3ZwejVcL25XOGcyOHZ3QnVnRXVhXC82c1N0cmdyV3VZIn0%3D

Gee, I do not recall Obunghole denouncing any of the racist negro groups.  Seems I remember him speaking of them in glowing terms, and inviting them to the White Hut.

He gets a pass?

What I was thinking.  In fact, Obama basically supported such groups.  On NPR this morning, they were interviewing a "former FBI" type that was saying that Trump's non-statement denouncing the groups was equivalent to state sponsoring of those groups.  Really?!?!  Obama practically encouraged the BLM stuff to flourish and grow.  Like any group, there's always going to be the extremists and the BLM is no different.  People using that as a cover or excuse for lawlessness.  Didn't see Obama denouncing them nor the MSM calling for action, stronger words, etc.  In fact, the MSM exacerbated the situation by their biased coverage of every little event that stoked the fire of the racial divide.

I wish he also denounced antifa or said he can't denounce because he doesn't know for sure who was there and who wasn't.

Gee, I do not recall Obunghole denouncing any of the racist negro groups.  Seems I remember him speaking of them in glowing terms, and inviting them to the White Hut.

He gets a pass?

That's my point.  The actions or inaction on the President's part speaks volumes as to who they are and how history will view them.  Ferguson and BLM will be taint his Presidency, no doubt.  But right now we're dealing with Charlottesville. 

we're a country of crybabies - that's what it is.
All these people crying racist, sexist or bigot when they don't get their way. Even if you don't agree with them, you're labeled a hater, fascist, racist, sexist.
We need to grow the fuck up - that's what we need to do. So the President doesn't scold a certain kid but denounces all this hate and racism - so what?! President Trump is married to an immigrant and his daughter married Jewish.

I can give you 3 million plus reasons  for "so what"  Every gold star family during WWII is a "so what".  Yes, President Trump's family is Jewish which is even more reason why he should care.  When these groups are marching through our streets shouting, "Jews will not replace us!"  That's a wake up call.  The evil that Hitler espoused has found a home and is growing.  I for one do not want to see this part of our history repeat itself.  The fact that David Duke is praising your remarks should be a warning sign and not a "so what".

Not sure if you saw my previous posts but there is no name to clear here. Fake news. Nothing burger. All made up by the MSM and you are spewing out the same. He condemned everyone and everything with his first comment. That was all that was needed. Anything else = made up in your and the MSM minds.

To use your example if you accuse me of rape 100 times don't you think I am not going to listen to you any more? And ignore you? And since any type of denial I would give would never be good enough for you, why would I even try? Sound familiar? The old saying about the little boy crying wolf so many times people stopped listened comes to mind here.

I understand you are trying to discuss a topic here. And I get it that you listen to the MSM and parrot them and try to justify it by saying republicans back you up. But they are all Trump's enemies that have and will continue to spew this crap. If it was not this it would have been something else like the previous 1,000 things they are currently trying to bad mouth the president about. Like most others here we don't listen to this fake news nothing burgers any more. JMHO

My issue with Trump's lack of specificity isn't fake news, it isn't made up by MSM or CNN. No news story had to interpret this for me, I saw video of David Duke's statement and I saw video of Trump's comments about the violence. You may like me to say I watch MSM (I don't) so you can write off my comment but that isn't the case. I am a conservative, who likes much of what Trump does politically speaking, but who can still recognize Trump's comments as a problem.

I heard the words from Trump's own words. Trump being linked to the KKK, sure this could qualify as fake news but that is irrelevant. The allegation was made, regardless of whether it is true or not, and Trump had an opportunity to disavow the KKK but missed it. All this does is feed the story and it doesn't look good to him.

If I accused you to rape then yes you could ignore me but we are talking about our president, everyone listens to things about him and image matters. Not everyone has their mind up, they aren't all left wing Trump haters. Some are just normal people on either side of the political spectrum who sees Trump's comments as odd. Like Trump or not, his comment was odd as people normally readily deny false accusations. I would go as far as to suggest that it is human nature and thus when someone deviates it may seem they are lying about something. Of course some people have various mental or social conditions in which they may not respond in the standard way and I get that may be the case with Trump, but regardless, with all Trump's advisors and given his position as leader of the free world, it would greatly benefit him to have quickly disavowed the KKK instead of making an odd comment that just raised more suspicions.

This frustrates me, the one sided political attacks. Obama got roasted over various comments he made but now when Trump makes comments so many here are lining up to take a bullet for him. Where is the logical consistency?

"Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," the president said in a statement to reporters at the White House on Monday.

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence," he said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-virginia-protests-idUSKCN1AU0TW

Happy now?

Problem is only conservatives "roasted" Obama about comments he may have, or may not have, made.  Everyone else, in the MSM, gave him a pass, no matter how obviously crooked it was.

Seems to me the entire looney left wing machine, which includes MSM, internet, pop culture, celebrities, damn near every informational source, is hell bent on twisting and turning every single aspect of trumps being into something monstrous.

He's not even really a Republican or overly conservative.  IMHO, he made a promise to the American people, and from the looks of it, he's trying damn hard to keep it.. 

Question is will the American people see through this bullshit being spouted by the leftist machine?

They saw through it before and elected Trump. Hopefully, they continue to see through it now.

My issue with Trump's lack of specificity isn't fake news, it isn't made up by MSM or CNN. No news story had to interpret this for me, I saw video of David Duke's statement and I saw video of Trump's comments about the violence. You may like me to say I watch MSM (I don't) so you can write off my comment but that isn't the case. I am a conservative, who likes much of what Trump does politically speaking, but who can still recognize Trump's comments as a problem.

I heard the words from Trump's own words. Trump being linked to the KKK, sure this could qualify as fake news but that is irrelevant. The allegation was made, regardless of whether it is true or not, and Trump had an opportunity to disavow the KKK but missed it. All this does is feed the story and it doesn't look good to him.

If I accused you to rape then yes you could ignore me but we are talking about our president, everyone listens to things about him and image matters. Not everyone has their mind up, they aren't all left wing Trump haters. Some are just normal people on either side of the political spectrum who sees Trump's comments as odd. Like Trump or not, his comment was odd as people normally readily deny false accusations. I would go as far as to suggest that it is human nature and thus when someone deviates it may seem they are lying about something. Of course some people have various mental or social conditions in which they may not respond in the standard way and I get that may be the case with Trump, but regardless, with all Trump's advisors and given his position as leader of the free world, it would greatly benefit him to have quickly disavowed the KKK instead of making an odd comment that just raised more suspicions.

This frustrates me, the one sided political attacks. Obama got roasted over various comments he made but now when Trump makes comments so many here are lining up to take a bullet for him. Where is the logical consistency?

Unfortunately, you didn't understand my point nor anything I said. I am not sure I can say it in another way that you can understand. I was hoping your mind would be open to what I am saying here but you took what I said completely wrong. So I am just going to leave it at that you made my whole point for me and obviously don't realize it.

He's not even really a Republican or overly conservative.  IMHO, he made a promise to the American people, and from the looks of it, he's trying damn hard to keep it.. 

I agree that he's trying his hardest to keep his promises in his own way. The question I wonder about is if the voters will support him if in the end, he doesn't follow through with his major promises. The problem is that these campaign promises are like a debt he owes the voters. If I owed you money, and I told you I tried really, really hard to repay you but didn't, was the debt repaid?

I agree that he's trying his hardest to keep his promises in his own way. The question I wonder about is if the voters will support him if in the end, he doesn't follow through with his major promises. The problem is that these campaign promises are like a debt he owes the voters. If I owed you money, and I told you I tried really, really hard to repay you but didn't, was the debt repaid?

If you're going to hold your breath until politicians "repay" their debt. . .

From yesterday's press conference:

“I think there is blame on both sides.  You had a group on one side that was bad. You had a group on the other side that was also very violent. Nobody wants to say that. I’ll say it right now.”

"Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.  So this week, it is Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”

Damn the torpedoes. He's gonna stand by his guns and call it like he sees it.
Like a lot of folks see it, but most are afraid to say.
Right wrong or indifferent, you gotta respect that.
And I'm not a yuge Trump fan. Not a Trump hater either though. 

I really wouldn't be surprised if the alt-left started demanding that all statues of any former slave owners be torn down.
And I love that he used the term the alt-left.

I agree that he's trying his hardest to keep his promises in his own way. The question I wonder about is if the voters will support him if in the end, he doesn't follow through with his major promises. The problem is that these campaign promises are like a debt he owes the voters. If I owed you money, and I told you I tried really, really hard to repay you but didn't, was the debt repaid?

Let's also remember that he cannot do this without the help from congress. And congress is not helping much. So if he tries hard but congress doesn't do their part, does that mean the president didn't keep his promise?

Let's also remember that he cannot do this without the help from congress. And congress is not helping much. So if he tries hard but congress doesn't do their part, does that mean the president didn't keep his promise?

Dang. That's what all the Obama supporters kept asking/saying.
Lately Congress is a clusterfuck.

I read about all these people being felt oppressed by these statues.
Stop. All these "people" were born into a generation that didn't endure the real effects of oppression.
They didn't endure the sail over amongst several things. They are free to pursue an education and they still fuck that up by rioting on campuses. They have the free will to live wherever they want and they fuck that up too. No one is oppressing anyone.
A fucking statue is oppressive? You have to be a really special kind of snowflake for that shit.