Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas (Read 80586 times)

shdws

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #160 on: October 05, 2017, 10:58:50 AM »
See here is another inconsistencie
He took the time to stack mags neatly but none of the firearms are organized ...the bipod AR are not bump stocked so obviously he did NOT use those. The one that is with the surefire mag is not by him. And what the hell is that blue tube??? I mean you would think that if you were setting up you would have your bangers lined up and mags set up at each NOT stacked neatly in a corner and your choppahs scattered about

The non bumpfire semiautos laying around like the DD guns confuse me too.  Perhaps those had binary triggers like the echo instead of the stock to replicate auto rates of fire.

Regarding the mags though and the location, if you look in the back of the picture, the curtain seems to be pulled back over the chair; that might have been one of his shooting locations and is not far from his stack of mags.  The stacked mags could be the rounds he didnt shoot yet (1800+?).  I believe he bashed out two separate windows so guns strewn about wouldnt surprise me much. 

London808

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #161 on: October 05, 2017, 11:13:30 AM »
Inconsistencies and go...
For me is how did his feet get under the rifle and he's laying on another? He would have to have been sitting. In second pic how did the pistol land so far over his head if he shot in mouth pointing up?
Thought about it and conclusion Leo probably kicked it to clear perp. Due to blood trail and blood on gun. But position still open.

Room photo his jacket is pulled up over his head but in the head photo the jacket is down. Why ? And if their going to move the jacket, why not move the rifle ?
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bass monkey

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #162 on: October 05, 2017, 11:27:38 AM »
Some people are saying it's was a gut/ heart shot and he choked on the blood

zippz

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #163 on: October 05, 2017, 12:02:55 PM »
Room photo his jacket is pulled up over his head but in the head photo the jacket is down. Why ? And if their going to move the jacket, why not move the rifle ?

Room photo was to be released to the press, while the head one was for investigation.

London808

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #164 on: October 05, 2017, 12:05:57 PM »
Room photo was to be released to the press, while the head one was for investigation.

Doesn't explain why the jacket was pulled up like that, his head is out of shot in the room photo.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

drck1000

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #165 on: October 05, 2017, 12:10:08 PM »
There have been tons of theories flying around.  One thing that I have noticed is that even some very liberal folks that I know are questioning the reports, circumstances, etc.  Much of the stuff in the theories I have my own opinions on or many are simply miscommunication or people hearing what they want to hear.  However, folks I know that are usually quickly on the "ban guns" side are asking questions about the many things that just don't make sense.  We probably will never know many details, but I found it interesting that this incident seems to have even liberals asking questions.  Again, most of the questions make my eyes roll, but at least they aren't quickly jumping on the "ban all guns" train. 

shdws

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #166 on: October 05, 2017, 12:21:38 PM »
There have been tons of theories flying around.  One thing that I have noticed is that even some very liberal folks that I know are questioning the reports, circumstances, etc.  Much of the stuff in the theories I have my own opinions on or many are simply miscommunication or people hearing what they want to hear.  However, folks I know that are usually quickly on the "ban guns" side are asking questions about the many things that just don't make sense.  We probably will never know many details, but I found it interesting that this incident seems to have even liberals asking questions.  Again, most of the questions make my eyes roll, but at least they aren't quickly jumping on the "ban all guns" train.

Hm, almost every person I've talked to about the incident has told me the same thing.

"Why does anybody need that many guns and that many rounds?"  "Automatic guns should be banned"  etc.

Only after gentle prodding with simplified logic and careful explanation would I make any headway in making them think otherwise.  Most dont realize that autos are heavily regulated/illegal already.  Once they realize the modifications done to achieve such rates of fire, they then immediately jump to the "lets ban bumpfire/binary triggers" camp.

I think when the dust settles, we're going to see a ban on bumpfire stocks, cranks, binary triggers which really doesnt piss me off at all other than its another chip away at our freedoms.

drck1000

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #167 on: October 05, 2017, 12:27:00 PM »
Hm, almost every person I've talked to about the incident has told me the same thing.

"Why does anybody need that many guns and that many rounds?"  "Automatic guns should be banned"  etc.

Only after gentle prodding with simplified logic and careful explanation would I make any headway in making them think otherwise.  Most dont realize that autos are heavily regulated/illegal already.  Once they realize the modifications done to achieve such rates of fire, they then immediately jump to the "lets ban bumpfire/binary triggers" camp.

I think when the dust settles, we're going to see a ban on bumpfire stocks, cranks, binary triggers which really doesnt piss me off at all other than its another chip away at our freedoms.
Even some friends who own guns who don't really shoot have asked/said similar things.  Like you, through discussion on logical points or questions, it turns out that they didn't know many "facts of the matter" or were drinking too much of the MSM Koolaid. 

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Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #168 on: October 05, 2017, 12:45:25 PM »
Some people are saying it's was a gut/ heart shot and he choked on the blood
can't be no pooling around back area

punaperson

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #169 on: March 13, 2018, 09:41:28 AM »
Interesting article by Vegas resident and talk show host Wayne Allan Root noting 20 "problems" with the investigation of the Vegas mass public murders.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/wayne-allyn-root-vegas-massacre-expose-really-happened/

The Vegas Massacre Exposé: What Really Happened?

The Vegas Massacre is clearly the new “JFK Murder Conspiracy” updated for the 21st century. The whole story stinks to high heaven. It’s rancid. Clearly, our own government, FBI and Las Vegas police are involved in some sort of cover-up. The question is- what are they covering up?

Las Vegas is my home. I have the top radio talk show in this town. Many dozens of Vegas residents have gotten in touch with me to give me their take on the Vegas Massacre. Included in that group has been MGM employees, top MGM executives, survivors of the worst mass shooting in US history, as well as law enforcement and retired homicide detectives. From my own gut instincts, investigation and these interviews with key players, I’ve pieced together this story. It’s not a pretty picture.

Like any good detective, I have lots of working theories. A good detective doesn’t rule anything out. Maybe it really is as simple and clean as “Stephen Paddock did it, case closed.” But there are way too many unanswered questions, problems and mysteries with that storyline.

So here are my “Top 20” nagging questions, inconsistencies and theories about the Vegas Massacre…

changemyoil66

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #170 on: March 13, 2018, 10:00:54 AM »
Like I posted before, my wife's sister was there working the bar.  She and all her 6 other bartenders heard gun shots from multiple areas.  To far apart to be an echo.

punaperson

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #171 on: March 13, 2018, 10:06:12 AM »
Like I posted before, my wife's sister was there working the bar.  She and all her 6 other bartenders heard gun shots from multiple areas.  To far apart to be an echo.
Here's how Root puts it in the article:

#11) Every single witness from that concert that I spoke to, or heard, claimed there were multiple shooters.

Some swore they saw multiple shooters. Some say they were being fired at from different directions and levels. Yet police and FBI have ruled that out. So, all the witnesses are wrong?

* * * *
Nothing to see here. Move along.

Hanabata

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #172 on: March 13, 2018, 11:07:22 AM »
With so many bullets all over the place, there should be evidence to prove or disprove multiple shooters. Ballistic forensics on retrieved bullets should indicate if being fired from different barrels.

shdws

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #173 on: March 13, 2018, 12:41:52 PM »
With so many bullets all over the place, there should be evidence to prove or disprove multiple shooters. Ballistic forensics on retrieved bullets should indicate if being fired from different barrels.
Different barrels doesnt prove multiple shooters.  We already know there were many different guns in the same location.

Bullet impacts with trajectories that could not have come from the same place - now that would be some concrete evidence (pun intended).

stangzilla

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #174 on: March 13, 2018, 12:47:39 PM »
this was a video doing computer sound mapping of the vegas shooting
clearly showing multiple shooters by using the sound of the guns being fired and the hits on the ground
the distances from which the gun fire was originating from are hundreds of yards away.  it is not echoes
but too bad the account that posted the video has been terminated.
how very convenient.   ;)





stangzilla

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #175 on: March 13, 2018, 12:48:44 PM »
this was a video doing computer sound mapping of the vegas shooting
clearly showing multiple shooters by using the sound of the guns being fired and the hits on the ground and using a computer program to do the sound mapping.  it was very scientific mapping
the distances from which the gun fire was originating from are hundreds of yards away.  it is not echoes
but too bad the account that posted the video has been terminated.
how very convenient.   ;)

stangzilla

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #176 on: March 13, 2018, 02:13:32 PM »
more videos from the Vegas shooting that were deleted:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ggHaEFNU0&feature=youtu.be











that's quite a lot of video deleting
no freedom of speech on youtube.
those are all different videos that have some kind of theory of the vegas shooting other that its all Paddock's fault.  all got deleted.  why did they get deleted?  idk gotta ask youtube

stangzilla

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #177 on: March 13, 2018, 05:40:52 PM »
better watch these now before they get deleted too








stangzilla

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #178 on: March 13, 2018, 06:11:30 PM »
sound mapping of the shooting
the original video I saw was by the Health Ranger.  now his account is deleted



stangzilla

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #179 on: March 14, 2018, 08:43:27 AM »
found the original Health Ranger video reposted.  Health Ranger channel has since been deleted.
very interesting sound mapping analysis