Irrational fear about carrying w/ one in the chamber w/o manual safety? (Read 31843 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Irrational fear about carrying w/ one in the chamber w/o manual safety?
« Reply #80 on: November 20, 2017, 03:57:58 PM »
So something was pushing the trigger to the rear from the sides?  I'd have to check all my passive retention holsters, but I don't think any have material that comes close to any part of the trigger.  Even pins or other hardware that would be near the trigger.  I'm gonna tighten down the hardware on them while I'm at it. . .  :shake:

If you check the left side of an OEM Glock trigger, you see a pin that acts as the pivot for the safety release.  If that pin loosens enough, the safety toggle can fall out.  What was catching on the holster was that safety pin.  It was still in the trigger, but less than 1/2 way.

You can't see the problem in the video, because the hole for the pin only goes through the left side of the trigger.  But, you can see the safety toggle is missing from the trigger. 

I wish the person posting the video had taken a follow-up video, or taken time to record the exact cause.  As it is, you have to read all the comments to figure out what happened.

He says this can happen in any Glock trigger, but I'm not so sure.  The Zed trigger is aluminum.  That gives a metal on metal contact surface with less friction. 

The OEM trigger is a metal pin in a polymer tigger.  Unless the pin hole is enlarged, it can maintain pressure and friction around the pin.  Looking at my G17 Gen 4, that pin is seated pretty snuggly in the trigger.

If you have any holsters with retention caused by pressure on the trigger guard, like almost all thin IWB Kydex holsters, I guarantee the holster brushes up closely to the trigger area.

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Irrational fear about carrying w/ one in the chamber w/o manual safety?
« Reply #81 on: November 20, 2017, 05:19:52 PM »
If you check the left side of an OEM Glock trigger, you see a pin that acts as the pivot for the safety release.  If that pin loosens enough, the safety toggle can fall out.  What was catching on the holster was that safety pin.  It was still in the trigger, but less than 1/2 way.

You can't see the problem in the video, because the hole for the pin only goes through the left side of the trigger.  But, you can see the safety toggle is missing from the trigger. 

I wish the person posting the video had taken a follow-up video, or taken time to record the exact cause.  As it is, you have to read all the comments to figure out what happened.

He says this can happen in any Glock trigger, but I'm not so sure.  The Zed trigger is aluminum.  That gives a metal on metal contact surface with less friction. 

The OEM trigger is a metal pin in a polymer tigger.  Unless the pin hole is enlarged, it can maintain pressure and friction around the pin.  Looking at my G17 Gen 4, that pin is seated pretty snuggly in the trigger.

If you have any holsters with retention caused by pressure on the trigger guard, like almost all thin IWB Kydex holsters, I guarantee the holster brushes up closely to the trigger area.


Yeah. I’m aware of the trigger pins. I just had a hard time envisioning how a loose pin would be the cause. Didn’t read the comments. I envisioned that if a loose pin resulted in the trigger arm to sort of tilt/lean to one side and get brushed by the body of the holster. Guess that’s basically what happened, except with the safety lever/arm thingy. With all parts of the trigger centered, I didn’t think any part of the holster would get close. And I believe all of my holsters with passive retention are via the trigger guard. Again, I’d have to check, but I don’t think the body of the holster would get close to the trigger (if centered). My RCS holster looks pretty close, if not same, to the pic you posted.

I don’t really mess with the triggers on my Glocks. I thought the OEM pins have these grooves in them that are supposed to prevent them from walking. That they sort of click when you put them back in. The only pin that I mess with is the one in the back to change the disconnect.

I recall that they did test for debris in the holster in the video. I’ve heard of debris or even the cord for the jacket getting caught and pulling the trigger.

Bushido

Re: Irrational fear about carrying w/ one in the chamber w/o manual safety?
« Reply #82 on: November 20, 2017, 07:32:15 PM »
For me, I only have striker pistols so that's what I carry (VP9 & M&P 9C).  I am looking into a 1911, but would carry it due to the size.

Be forewarned, them 1911s can be addicting.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Want to try one this Sat? Good choice on the 9C. Oh and 1911 single stacks are very thin so they are pretty comfortable. Kind of heavy though.

changemyoil66

Re: Irrational fear about carrying w/ one in the chamber w/o manual safety?
« Reply #83 on: November 21, 2017, 08:44:23 AM »
Be forewarned, them 1911s can be addicting.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Want to try one this Sat? Good choice on the 9C. Oh and 1911 single stacks are very thin so they are pretty comfortable. Kind of heavy though.

hmmmmmm...if you don't bring it, I won't be tempted to buy one if I like it.  ;D