Tupola for Governor (Read 23454 times)

Heavies

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2018, 07:35:58 PM »
She's the best candidate we'll get, but I think she's running too early.  She's still fairly new and unknown to many.  I'd rather her get 4 to 8 years more experience.
You rather have hanabusa?  ::)  It's good she's running so early, and smart.  As we all know name recognition is a key role in Hawaii elections.  Frankly I'm surprised Hawaii media isn't bashing and badmouthing her yet...

zippz

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2018, 03:03:27 PM »
You rather have hanabusa?  ::)  It's good she's running so early, and smart.  As we all know name recognition is a key role in Hawaii elections.  Frankly I'm surprised Hawaii media isn't bashing and badmouthing her yet...

I never said anything about Hanabusa.  She may side with us on gun issues and others, but there's a lot more to being a governor such as leading 50,000 people and managing a $14 billion budget along with emergency management.  Her college degree was in music and her prior work experience is sparse.  Another way to put it is what large billion dollar corporation would hire her as a CEO? None.  Political debates are going to be painful when it comes to prior experience and how she will lead the many different departments she'll be in charge of or how she'll handle emergencies.

I think she has a lot of potential in the future, but now is not her time.  In 4 to 8 years she'll be awesome.  Gain experience, successfully lead large projects, get her name out statewide, etc.  You don't just run for an election and hope for the best.  Another downside is we'll lose another republican seat in the legislature.  I'm being realistic versus emotional.

Heavies

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2018, 01:09:44 AM »
I never said anything about Hanabusa.  She may side with us on gun issues and others, but there's a lot more to being a governor such as leading 50,000 people and managing a $14 billion budget along with emergency management.  Her college degree was in music and her prior work experience is sparse.  Another way to put it is what large billion dollar corporation would hire her as a CEO? None.  Political debates are going to be painful when it comes to prior experience and how she will lead the many different departments she'll be in charge of or how she'll handle emergencies.

I think she has a lot of potential in the future, but now is not her time.  In 4 to 8 years she'll be awesome.  Gain experience, successfully lead large projects, get her name out statewide, etc.  You don't just run for an election and hope for the best.  Another downside is we'll lose another republican seat in the legislature.  I'm being realistic versus emotional.
I appreciate your angle,  but that still leaves hanabusa, who is, most likely, the unions pick...   

To be frank. I think a grade schooler experience would be much more beneficial to this state, than a 'progressive' like hanabusa

2ahavvaii

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2018, 05:16:56 AM »
hanabusa has backing of key political figures and much union support.  She is very likely to be the next governor, especially after the missile alert nail on the coffin of ige.

Between ige and hanabusa, I'd prefer ige.  Ige is ineffectual, but I'd prefer that over someone who is ineffectual, corrupt, and takes actions to directly harm our state.  This is just one example, but you know how there was the whole pension funding issue?  Hanabusa was one of the chief architects of raiding the fund in the 2000s to fund various pet projects, and the reason why it's now underfunded by 12billion (give or take a billion).  Is this who we want to lead our state???  I fail to understand why someone who was one of the architects of a 12 billion dollar mistake that will take decades to fix is still relevant in hawaii politics.

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In 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 the ERS was raided for hundreds of millions of dollars.  The practice stopped when Lingle took office.
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Two years later, Act 100 pension provisions became the subject of another lawsuit.  Accusing the State of “skimming” from their pension fund, retired and active police officers on April 23, 2002 filed a class action lawsuit demanding return of $347M taken from the ERS.  The plaintiffs would be joined by the ERS board itself in November, 2002.  The ERS board was represented by Honolulu Attorney James Duffy who would later become Governor Lingle’s first Supreme Court nominee.
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…State Sen. Colleen Hanabusa (D, Waianae) said she was perplexed by the lawsuit since state lawmakers, not the ERS or federal pension officials, set the level of funding for the retirement system.

Hanabusa said the retirement fund is not in financial danger, and there is no threat of reduced benefits for retirees and state workers as a result of the 1999 law.

"We determine how much people will be paid, we determine whether people have collective bargaining rights, we determine the whole gamut," Hanabusa said.

Hanabusa told the Advertiser:

"If retirees haven't gotten their benefits because of an act of the Legislature, that would be something else ... but as far as I know, all retirement benefits have been paid.  The bottom line is we can always sell assets or raise taxes to fund it (ERS) if it ever became necessary, but I don't see that happening at any time."

While Hanabusa was “determining the whole gamut” and claiming the fund and its beneficiaries were in no danger, the police officers’ attorney described the problem in terms which today appear prophetic:

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"It's not far-fetched to believe that in five, 10 or 15 years, the system will be in jeopardy," he said.

"It would be naive to believe that state of Hawaii could, year after year, raid this fund and use the assets of the fund without ultimately jeopardizing its integrity."
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Hanabusa and Cayetano’s investment in failure has paid off 20-foldThe initial $350M shortfall is now estimated at a minimum of $7 billion dollars.  (In 2011, it's much higher now)  How did the shortfall multiply?  By selling assets, just as Hanabusa suggested in her 2002 comments to the Advertiser.  Hawaii Business explains:

…the effect is a vicious circle: When current income and contributions aren’t enough to pay current benefits – a condition that began in 2006 and is projected to accelerate rapidly for the next five or six years – the only option is to sell off portfolio assets to cover the difference. In 2011, the ERS is projected to cannibalize nearly $200 million in portfolio assets; by 2020, that figure could reach $600 million a year. That’s the opposite of a “pre-paid pension fund.”



http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/3802/Act-100-How-Hanabusa-and-Cayetano-launched-Hawaii-Pension-crisis.aspx
« Last Edit: February 04, 2018, 05:31:34 AM by 2ahavvaii »

ren

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2018, 08:38:18 AM »
Hanabusa is the local version of Hillary Clinton. She will sell out our state for her and/or external interests
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edster48

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2018, 09:09:07 AM »
Tupola is a RINO.

The Republican party in Hawaii is just the Moderate wing of the Dimocratic party.

A turd in the hand is still a turd. Only now it's all over your hand.

That being said, holding my nose and choking back vomit, I'll probably end up voting for her.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2018, 09:14:08 AM by edster48 »
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drck1000

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2018, 09:38:10 AM »
Tupola is a RINO.

The Republican party in Hawaii is just the Moderate wing of the Dimocratic party.

A turd in the hand is still a turd. Only now it's all over your hand.

That being said, holding my nose and choking back vomit, I'll probably end up voting for her.
Personally, I don’t know much about her, but from what I have learned, she’s better than alternatives. Yeah, it sucks that we have to choose from the lesser of two evils many times. But hope there’s a changing of the tide.

zippz

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2018, 09:47:54 PM »
Was looking at Tupolas competition which is only Carroll at the moment.  He's 88 years old now.  He'd be 97 years old at the end of a 2nd term!

changemyoil66

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2018, 09:52:36 AM »
Was looking at Tupolas competition which is only Carroll at the moment.  He's 88 years old now.  He'd be 97 years old at the end of a 2nd term!

Tupola for Lt Gov?

groveler

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2018, 02:41:02 PM »
I'm registered as a Republican, but I don't like them.
I despise Democrats.
Politically Hawaii is  a mess.
There are countries in Africa
that are run better.
I'd rather have a Guam government
here.
But I will support Tupola.

punaperson

Re: Tupola for Governor
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2018, 03:42:38 PM »
Civil Beat (autoplay) podcast:

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/02/pod-squad-andria-tupola-makes-her-pitch-for-gubernatorial-run/

Why Republican Andria Tupola Wants To Be Governor

The House minority leader says the state’s myriad challenges require bipartisan cooperation and dynamic leadership.

As one of the few Republicans in the Hawaii Legislature, Rep. Andria Tupola says she’s been focused on statewide issues as well as those of her Leeward Coast district since she was elected in 2014.

She joins the Pod Squad to talk with host Chad Blair about why she’s trading in her legislative seat for a long-shot campaign for governor.