1) Wanna run that by me/us again?  You mean they were only faster than you in clearing the holster?

2) Assume you mean on drills where there are quick(er) second shots.  Why do you think that is?

1)yes. By the time i disengaged the hood, their guns were already out of the holster and chest level.

2) i tend to rush follow up shots and sights arent perfectly aligned, but close enough. Compared to slow fire.

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1)yes. By the time i disengaged the hood, their guns were already out of the holster and chest level.

2) i tend to rush follow up shots and sights arent perfectly aligned, but close enough. Compared to slow fire.

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1) Was your time from "start/go/buzzer" to first shot faster? 
2) Uh. . . that might be a clue. . . That said, context specific.  Say one dot drill (meant to work on and/or show certain things) vs say put multiple rounds into a 6" circle on a par time. 

1) Was your time from "start/go/buzzer" to first shot faster? 
2) Uh. . . that might be a clue. . . That said, context specific.  Say one dot drill (meant to work on and/or show certain things) vs say put multiple rounds into a 6" circle on a par time.

IDK what the standard buzzer was, they didn't tell us.  But with my old Gcode holster with a push down button to disengage the hood, I was able to keep up with everyone.  I just like hood retention, IDK why. 

Had 1 instructor try to show me something and tried to disengage my hood, and was unable to do so.  He gave up and told me to do it for him.  Granted he only took a few seconds at it, it showed the not normal push down button or push down and forward button.

But what I do like about the new button is that it allows me to get a higher grip on the pistol from the holster.  Compared to my Gcode which had the push down button.

IDK what the standard buzzer was, they didn't tell us. But with my old Gcode holster with a push down button to disengage the hood, I was able to keep up with everyone.  I just like hood retention, IDK why. 

Had 1 instructor try to show me something and tried to disengage my hood, and was unable to do so.  He gave up and told me to do it for him.  Granted he only took a few seconds at it, it showed the not normal push down button or push down and forward button.

But what I do like about the new button is that it allows me to get a higher grip on the pistol from the holster.  Compared to my Gcode which had the push down button.

my draw was slowest of the group. But my time to 1st shot made up for it.

Doesn't really matter (at least to me, but trying to help you), but I am asking how you are establishing how your "time to 1st shot made up for it" if you don't have a metric. 

As for gear choices, go with what you think/know is best for you.  I personally go for what is an enabler, never a disabler.  If you like your gear because it's cool, color is nice, whatever, cool.  However, I think one should know why they are doing so. . . maybe that's just me. . .

Shot handgun this past weekend.  Shot my original Glock with RMR that is a ZEV slide with a basic frame for my 34.  Much different trigger than my Gucci Glocks that I've been shooting a lot lately.  Overall, I shot it better than I expected.  I had expected to notice a difference with the trigger, but noticed the difference in the grips more.  The gun I was shooting is an unmodified Gen 4 frame, whereas my Gucci Glocks are stippled (on the less aggressive side) Gen 3 frames.  It was really hot and humid this past weekend.  I had been shooting Gen 4 frames for a while and thought it was fine.  Now that I've been shooting the stipple Gen 3 frames, I really appreciate that texture in hot and humid weather.  The Gen 4 frame texture is ok, but the stippled grip is way better. 

Doesn't really matter (at least to me, but trying to help you), but I am asking how you are establishing how your "time to 1st shot made up for it" if you don't have a metric. 

As for gear choices, go with what you think/know is best for you.  I personally go for what is an enabler, never a disabler.  If you like your gear because it's cool, color is nice, whatever, cool.  However, I think one should know why they are doing so. . . maybe that's just me. . .

I used my peripherals for the shooters to my left and right.  So by the time I disengaged the hood, other shooters had already upholstered and gun was chest level and about to turn gun toward the target and press out. At about that time, is when I was able to draw from holster.  So I got my 1st shot off b4 they got their 1st shot off.  Sorry, don't mean to be all secretive by not telling the time.

I used my peripherals for the shooters to my left and right.  So by the time I disengaged the hood, other shooters had already upholstered and gun was chest level and about to turn gun toward the target and press out. At about that time, is when I was able to draw from holster.  So I got my 1st shot off b4 they got their 1st shot off.  Sorry, don't mean to be all secretive by not telling the time.

I don't think you're being secretive.  Was trying to understand your statements.  That's one thing I like about the ALS.  Intuitive and essentially "normal" draw. 

I don't think you're being secretive.  Was trying to understand your statements.  That's one thing I like about the ALS.  Intuitive and essentially "normal" draw.

If that was the Safari Land one, IIRC the VP9 was like $200. The one I got was mom n pop made from New Hampshire and about $80. Didn't want to spend too much incase I add RDS. And I got tired of taking off my WML prior to classes. Gcode no make with hood and WML.



Here's a vid of my actual holster being made. He used it as a vid.

FF to 34:46 to see how the hood disengages.

I played airsoft this weekend. That counts, right?

Got wrecked because my goggles keep fogging up and I couldn't see shit. Ordered some new goggles.

If that was the Safari Land one, IIRC the VP9 was like $200. The one I got was mom n pop made from New Hampshire and about $80. Didn't want to spend too much incase I add RDS. And I got tired of taking off my WML prior to classes. Gcode no make with hood and WML.



Here's a vid of my actual holster being made. He used it as a vid.

FF to 34:46 to see how the hood disengages.

Haven’t used of heard of that holster or hood type. I see a couple of issues right off the bat. Anyways, hope it works out for you…

I played airsoft this weekend. That counts, right?

Got wrecked because my goggles keep fogging up and I couldn't see shit. Ordered some new goggles.

Sure it counts. Learned valuable lessons 

Haven’t used of heard of that holster or hood type. I see a couple of issues right off the bat. Anyways, hope it works out for you…

I was looking for holsters and his channel popped up on my YT.  What issues do you see? 

I was looking for holsters and his channel popped up on my YT.  What issues do you see?

That the lever/mechanism is pushed away from the body of the holster, toward you/your waist.  Seems like it would be prone to having something either restricting that movement or it hanging up.  Not sure if you have an offset hangar, so there's a gap, or if it's closer to your waist.  Thicker clothing also comes to mind.  Shooting from "non-standard" positions another. 

I mean any retention holster can have similar issues, with some more prone with others (like the Serpa).  However, that "toward you to disengage" to me seemed to be more prone to hang ups. 

That the lever/mechanism is pushed away from the body of the holster, toward you/your waist.  Seems like it would be prone to having something either restricting that movement or it hanging up.  Not sure if you have an offset hangar, so there's a gap, or if it's closer to your waist.  Thicker clothing also comes to mind.  Shooting from "non-standard" positions another. 

I mean any retention holster can have similar issues, with some more prone with others (like the Serpa).  However, that "toward you to disengage" to me seemed to be more prone to hang ups.

I actually did notice that too.  I haven't tried using it from inside a car yet, but can see how that would take some getting used to. I'll also try prone or like positions later when I get home and keep you posted.

But I did try getting into my car with my plate carrier on and had a hard time. The steering wheel was snagging on the mag pouches in the front.

I actually did notice that too.  I haven't tried using it from inside a car yet, but can see how that would take some getting used to. I'll also try prone or like positions later when I get home and keep you posted.

But I did try getting into my car with my plate carrier on and had a hard time. The steering wheel was snagging on the mag pouches in the front.

As far as retention mechanisms, I personally think any holster that can keep a gun from falling out when running, bending down, or dropping trow to take a dump is all you need for concealed carry.  That can be IWB, OWB or a shoulder rig as long as you have the proper attire to conceal it.  I doubt you'll be fighting for control of your pistol in the holster if nobody knows you're wearing it.  I like my Alien Gear hybrid that has an adjustable friction retention and can be worn inside or outside the waistband.

For open carry, the situation changes.  That's when you do want a better retention system.  I like the SafariLand ALS holsters for that.  If you're constantly taking the firearm or holster off to place in a vehicle console or a stand next to your Lazy-Boy, the quick release plates might be for you.  You can detach the holster from your belt and reattach it to a bracket in the car or on the outside of your side table.  Same holster and gun for any location.

Those mounting plates are not cheap, so that's one drawback.  Another is it does push the holster away from the body a fraction of an inch.  For me, that's fine.  Helps to clear the love handles!

The SafariLand model 6378 holster is on Amazon now for $40.79 w/Prime shipping.  Comes with the paddle AND belt loop attachments.

The thumb release lever is inside and next to your body.  Less likely anyone else will be able to get to it first.  The lever is positioned so it feels very natural to press it while drawing.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000U3X4JG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The QLS quick release mounting plates are $22.99 for a set with 1 mounting plate and 1 "fork" insert.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002868Q46/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If OC is ever legal in HI, I plan on using my current AIWB, but have my shirt tucked behind it.  This way the pistol stays in front of me the entire time and cannot be seen from the sides or rear.  But is still in the open.

I guarantee some HI people gonna freak out when they see a pistol on a hip. Then HPD who has zero clue about the new law will harass you.  Same thing gonna happen when tasers are legal come Jan 1st.

I actually did notice that too.  I haven't tried using it from inside a car yet, but can see how that would take some getting used to. I'll also try prone or like positions later when I get home and keep you posted.

But I did try getting into my car with my plate carrier on and had a hard time. The steering wheel was snagging on the mag pouches in the front.

#howyougonnafitwithkitinsideanEV

 

Tried my Faltac hood retention in various fighting positions.

It sucks. Im gonna look into safariland that has a hood because they are like the only ones who make it for a VP9 with TLR1.

Im gonna have to figure out a way to attach my RTI hanger on it. I like it and already have the drop leg set up.

I emailed gcode to see if they can make 1 for a wml b4 ordering safari.  Awaiting response.

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Gcode makes a RTI hanger that works on the safariland. Gonna go with lvl3 retention. Ordering both tomorrow. Plus if OC is legal in HI, i can use this too, just change from drop leg to hip attachment.

Buy once, cry once wasnt learned. #doesntbuyoncecryonce.

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Update:

Safariland Holster ordered. With ALS/SLS retention's.  G code won't make a hood type that has a WML for the VP9.  Also ordered the universal RTI hanger that attaches to the Safariland holster. That way it works on my drop leg.

Thanks DRCK for the input.  I never thought about trying various positions and undoing the hoot retention system.

Update:

Safariland Holster ordered. With ALS/SLS retention's.  G code won't make a hood type that has a WML for the VP9.  Also ordered the universal RTI hanger that attaches to the Safariland holster. That way it works on my drop leg.

Thanks DRCK for the input.  I never thought about trying various positions and undoing the hoot retention system.

buy twice, cry twice...