Have you been actively participating in HDF or HRA events?  Other than providing criticism.

I haven't been as active as I would like, but in the events that I do attend, both groups seem to have decent participation.  Could it be better?  Sure.  People have lives to live and understand that these events can take up a lot of time.  Yeah, some folks stop coming around, for a variety of reasons and feelings of alienation could be one of them.  However, I often see many new folks coming in as well that contribute greatly.

Speaking of you never coming, u gonna be at the fun shoot on Sunday? ;-)

I'm trying to get to the rifle range sometime this weekend.  Not sure which day yet as I have to work around family stuff.  I actually forgot about the fun shoot.  If it works out, I'll try to head to the range on Sunday and swing by the fun shoot.  Are you going?  I just got the ZEV RMR slide back this past week too.  Would have been fun to test it out in a fun shoot environment, as opposed to the 25 yard range. 

I was also invited to a shoot on Sat, but doubtful that I will make it to that.  So many events that I want to go to, but so little time.  Haha

Have you been actively participating in HDF or HRA events?  Other than providing criticism.

I use to participate in many of the range days offered by both organizations, but like many others that I remember going with to those events, do not go anymore due to life's other obligations, but also due to the alienation and condescending behavior exhibited by certain members there.

Do not get me wrong, the leadership of both organizations have done a fantastic job at what they do.  However, there are a few members in both organizations that knowingly or unknowingly rub people the wrong way, resulting in people not wanting to participate or associate with those events anymore.

Well jeezuz, anything you do in life that has interaction with people is going to have some of differing personality that will "rub you the wrong way" 

Bruh. Is that may so thin skinned?

I use to participate in many of the range days offered by both organizations, but like many others that I remember going with to those events, do not go anymore due to life's other obligations, but also due to the alienation and condescending behavior exhibited by certain members there.

Do not get me wrong, the leadership of both organizations have done a fantastic job at what they do.  However, there are a few members in both organizations that knowingly or unknowingly rub people the wrong way, resulting in people not wanting to participate or associate with those events anymore.

I don't think I am thin skinned, given the many personal attacks I have received from my posts in this forum.  In fact, I would argue that those who have engaged in personal attacks on this forum are more thin skinned, as they can't handle the possibility of a different perspective that challenges their own dogmas.

One observation that I was referring to in my statement above is the apparent cronyism that occurs from a few individuals at the various range days, where it is apparent that certain members are given special treatment, while others are kept on the edge the entire time they are there, regardless of the level of skill of that individual.

Sure, if you don't like how you are treated, then don't participate.  Well, I guess that is why there is a lack of participation among 2a organizations here when it comes to furthering initiatives to improve gun rights in Hawaii.

I don't think I am thin skinned, given the many personal attacks I have received from my posts in this forum.  In fact, I would argue that those who have engaged in personal attacks on this forum are more thin skinned, as they can't handle the possibility of a different perspective that challenges their own dogmas.

One observation that I was referring to in my statement above is the apparent cronyism that occurs from a few individuals at the various range days, where it is apparent that certain members are given special treatment, while others are kept on the edge the entire time they are there, regardless of the level of skill of that individual.

Sure, if you don't like how you are treated, then don't participate.  Well, I guess that is why there is a lack of participation among 2a organizations here when it comes to furthering initiatives to improve gun rights in Hawaii.

Yeah, you don't want "censorship", you just want people to not say what they want to say and you want to call that "self control", rather than "my control". How very convenient for you. You want to dictate what people are "allowed" to write, but you want them to acquiesce in conforming to your "standard" of what is "acceptable" or not. But you don't advocate censorship. You just want everyone to agree with you. Where have we seen that before? Another one of your, pardon me, logically incoherent and false claims.

Yeah, and your "complaining" and wanting people to exhibit "self-control" is not an attempt to "shut down" dialogue, right? Just "certain kinds" of dialogue that you find "unacceptable" for whatever variety of "reasons" you offer to justify ending such dialogue. You want to "foster dialogue" as long as it conforms to your standard of "appropriate" dialog. You can't make this stuff up.

On the rare occasions that I've been in charge of portions of range days, yeah, I'll surely joke around with those that I am closer to, but it's not like I'm snob or looking down on anyone.  Maybe I am and don't know it.  I'll have to let folks like Drakiir, dogman, TomG and others be the judge of that.