Kavanaugh hearing chaos (Read 209810 times)

punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #220 on: September 21, 2018, 11:43:50 AM »
CNN Asked Five Women If They Believed Kavanaugh.
CNN Didn’t Like Their Answers


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/21/gop-women-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-florida-kaye-pkg-ac-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-misconduct-allegations/
What do you expect from a group of women with names like LOURDES CASTILLO DE LA PENA, IRINA VILLARINO, GINA SOSA, and ANGIE VAZQUEZ. Oh, wait... nevermind.

changemyoil66

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #221 on: September 21, 2018, 01:57:41 PM »
My doctor grabbed my by the umbilical cord.  34 years ago...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #222 on: September 21, 2018, 04:20:49 PM »
My doctor grabbed my by the umbilical cord.  34 years ago...

I think the nurse saw me naked and then spanked me without my consent.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #223 on: September 21, 2018, 04:28:36 PM »
Debra Katz, one of Dr. Ford's lawyers (one of??), was on camera 2 years ago vowing:

"We're going to fight back. We are going to resist.  We will not be silenced"

after Sessions was confirmed as USAG.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #224 on: September 21, 2018, 09:12:44 PM »
Democrat play book

1)as she walks in, all dems will stand and applaud her. Like she was neil armstrong returning home from the moon.
2)dems instead of asking questions will praise her courage and compare her to MLK, Rosa Parks, etc...
3) if she does answer any questions, they will be vague and emotional.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #225 on: September 21, 2018, 09:54:27 PM »
Democrat play book

1)as she walks in, all dems will stand and applaud her. Like she was neil armstrong returning home from the moon.
2)dems instead of asking questions will praise her courage and compare her to MLK, Rosa Parks, etc...
3) if she does answer any questions, they will be vague and emotional.

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Grassley extended the deadline for Ford's lawyers to accept the invitation to appear at the hearing from 5:00pm today to 10:00pm. They even offered to move the hearing date from Monday to Wednesday. 

After Ford's lawyers once again begged for more time to respond, Grassley extended for the fifth time until tomorrow.

So, the hearing was going to be Monday -- now its Wednesday.

They were going respond by 5pm Friday -- then 10pm Friday -- now sometime Saturday.

Oh, and the lawyers want the hearing scheduled for Thursday now.

"We can't respond by Friday at 5. And can you move the hearing to Wednesday?"

"Okay, you have until 10pm to respond. And the hearing is now Wednesday."

"10pm is still not enough time to respond.  And can you move the meeting to Thursday now?"

Grassley said if they let the deadline today come and go, he's going to cancel the hearing and schedule a confirmation vote for the committee on Monday.

These Senators are making accommodations one after the other. Grassley needs to announce the time Saturday the invitation expires so we know what's going on.  I hope they ignore that extension and let it pass. That's all Grassley needs to shut this circus down.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #226 on: September 21, 2018, 10:23:50 PM »
There's no proof she ever went through a "traumatic experience." Therefore, using that as an excuse for repressed or fuzzy memory is unsupported.

"Something happened to me long ago. I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but that's because something happened to me long ago."  Circular reasoning.

Did she really send a letter to Feinstein in July?  Why did Feinstein sit on it until the hearings were over?  If the accuser really wanted to remain anonymous, why did she pay for a lawyer and a polygraph a month or more before Feinstein leaked the letter to the press?

Objective? LOL!  You mean willing to swallow any argument as plausible because a Liberal from California said it's true -- as much as she can remember anyway.

Of course there is no proof for something that happened so long ago. What kind of proof would you expect to still exist if it actually did occur.

Not being able to remember all these details 36 years later is understandable but they have no bearing on whether it actually happened or not. Now when it comes to doing an investigation that inability to remember such details does make it extremely difficult/impossible to investigate such a thing.

She is fuzzy on some of the details yes, but she is not fuzzy on the specific elements that would be necessary to establish a criminal allegation. People who are victims of traumatic crimes often have trouble recalling specific details.



Why did Feinstein sit on it for so long? My money is on stalling. Democrats are absolutely milking this cow for everything it is worth but that does not mean the allegations are false.

Why did Ford pay a lawyer? Not sure, maybe for legal advice? Maybe she was considering going public but changed her mind? The question is a fair one but it does not prove her claim to be a hoax. You are grasping a non sequitur.



Objective because I can look at all the sides and consider all the angles. I don't discard plausible explanations just because they don't favor my political viewpoint. I don't discard plausible explanations just because I wouldn't personally do that in their situation.

There are a few possibilities here as I see it.
-She completely fabricated the incident
-The incident happened but she is not remembering it accurately. (Could be different suspect or could be different actions that did not amount to sex assault, etc.)
-The incident happened as she told it.

Try to be objective when you have questions like why didn't she say anything for 36 years or why did she hire a lawyer, and look at it through all the possibilities instead of the one you want to be true.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #227 on: September 21, 2018, 10:27:07 PM »
I think the democrats are absolutely milking this story for everything it has in an attempt to delay but honestly it is hard to complain about democrats delaying a SCOTUS nominee vote when the republicans did the same thing 2 years ago.

I am getting jaded at the dirty politics of both sides recently.

macsak

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #228 on: September 22, 2018, 05:33:28 AM »
Grassley extended the deadline for Ford's lawyers to accept the invitation to appear at the hearing from 5:00pm today to 10:00pm. They even offered to move the hearing date from Monday to Wednesday. 

After Ford's lawyers once again begged for more time to respond, Grassley extended for the fifth time until tomorrow.

So, the hearing was going to be Monday -- now its Wednesday.

They were going respond by 5pm Friday -- then 10pm Friday -- now sometime Saturday.

Oh, and the lawyers want the hearing scheduled for Thursday now.

"We can't respond by Friday at 5. And can you move the hearing to Wednesday?"

"Okay, you have until 10pm to respond. And the hearing is now Wednesday."

"10pm is still not enough time to respond.  And can you move the meeting to Thursday now?"

Grassley said if they let the deadline today come and go, he's going to cancel the hearing and schedule a confirmation vote for the committee on Monday.

These Senators are making accommodations one after the other. Grassley needs to announce the time Saturday the invitation expires so we know what's going on.  I hope they ignore that extension and let it pass. That's all Grassley needs to shut this circus down.



typical-
"how come you won't compromise?"

punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #229 on: September 22, 2018, 05:48:57 AM »
typical-
"how come you won't compromise?"
And now they're talking about impeachment after he is confirmed, if he is confirmed, ever... not sure why Grassley is even talking to these people much less acquiescing to most of their delaying whims...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/22/democrats-float-more-kavanaugh-investigations-impeachment-even-if-is-confirmed.html

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #230 on: September 22, 2018, 01:07:09 PM »
And now they're talking about impeachment after he is confirmed, if he is confirmed, ever... not sure why Grassley is even talking to these people much less acquiescing to most of their delaying whims...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/22/democrats-float-more-kavanaugh-investigations-impeachment-even-if-is-confirmed.html

Latest reports say Ford "agrees in general" to the hearing, but the lawyers need to sit down later today to negotiate over the details.

If one of those details is the date, then they don't agree.  They have what's called a counter-proposal.  Far from being an agreement.  They are trying to delay, delay, delay.

Can't wait to see what "reasonable" accommodations they demand.  So far, they've asked:

Ford will not appear any sooner than next Thursday;
No questions to be asked at hearing by any outside counsel -- only by Senators; (how are they going to stop counsel from passing questions to Senators?)
Mark Judge must be subpoenaed;
Kavanaugh would testify first, then Ford would testify, and Kavanaugh would have no opportunity to respond or rebut;
The Friday deadline for her to provide written statement before the hearing would be waived;
Provide adequate security;
Only one pool camera in hearing room;
Ford and Kavanaugh allotted the same amount of time to talk.

She also stated she is afraid to fly, so must drive to from CA to DC. That's counter to her stated "fear for her safety". On the road is much more of a safety risk than on an airplane. The time and distance opens her up to someone being able to hurt her, if these threats are even credible.

Waiting for the demands "all legal fees to be paid by tax payers" and "a new life provided by WITSEC" ....
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #231 on: September 22, 2018, 03:16:09 PM »
Dr. Ford:   Too terrified of flying to travel from CA to DC on an aircraft.

Also Dr. Ford:  Moved to Hawaii for a one-year internship to complete her PhD.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #232 on: September 22, 2018, 04:37:07 PM »
Dr. Ford:   Too terrified of flying to travel from CA to DC on an aircraft.

Also Dr. Ford:  Moved to Hawaii for a one-year internship to complete her PhD.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It’s a lot less terrifying flying over water than it is to fly over land.  :wacko:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #233 on: September 22, 2018, 06:43:23 PM »
This just in, Keyser, a lifelong friend of Ford was identified as the other female at the party that this supposed groping took place. She has now come out and officially stated that she is denying this ever happened. So now out of the 5 people who were identified as being at this party, 4 of them have denied either being there or deny this ever happened. The 4 people are Kav, Judge, Smyth (all friends) and now Keyser (lifelong friend of Ford). Ford is pretty much on her own here.

I think the most logical explanation to all of this is that her memory of the incident is flawed. I don’t doubt this happened to her in her own mind. I just think she is getting some other incidents confused together. I have done this myself and I could swear something occurred but when I question someone who I remember was there, they deny they were a part of it. Yet my mind is telling me I am right. While it is absolutely possible that she is lying, I think it is too late for her to turn back.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #234 on: September 22, 2018, 07:05:23 PM »
Of course there is no proof for something that happened so long ago. What kind of proof would you expect to still exist if it actually did occur.

Not being able to remember all these details 36 years later is understandable but they have no bearing on whether it actually happened or not. Now when it comes to doing an investigation that inability to remember such details does make it extremely difficult/impossible to investigate such a thing.

She is fuzzy on some of the details yes, but she is not fuzzy on the specific elements that would be necessary to establish a criminal allegation. People who are victims of traumatic crimes often have trouble recalling specific details.



Why did Feinstein sit on it for so long? My money is on stalling. Democrats are absolutely milking this cow for everything it is worth but that does not mean the allegations are false.

Why did Ford pay a lawyer? Not sure, maybe for legal advice? Maybe she was considering going public but changed her mind? The question is a fair one but it does not prove her claim to be a hoax. You are grasping a non sequitur.



Objective because I can look at all the sides and consider all the angles. I don't discard plausible explanations just because they don't favor my political viewpoint. I don't discard plausible explanations just because I wouldn't personally do that in their situation.

There are a few possibilities here as I see it.
-She completely fabricated the incident
-The incident happened but she is not remembering it accurately. (Could be different suspect or could be different actions that did not amount to sex assault, etc.)
-The incident happened as she told it.

Try to be objective when you have questions like why didn't she say anything for 36 years or why did she hire a lawyer, and look at it through all the possibilities instead of the one you want to be true.
What if story:

I was selling makahiki tickets as a cub scout in pack 5. I was wearing a blue uniform with a yellow bandana tied around my neck. My shirt was tucked in and i was wearing sneakers. I had a pocket knife on ny blue belt that had a gold buckle.  I arrivred at the door and knocked and hirono answered the door. I remmeber her because i saw her in the paper and on tv.  I offered to sell the $3 ticket and she bought 2. She then ran her hand down my back and grabbed my butt. I ran away and moved on.

This happened when i was 8.
I dont remember what year
I dont rememebr whos home it was
I dont remember who i was with
I dont remember how i got to the area
I dont remember how i got home
I think 4 people saw this happen, but none can confirm.
I never told anyone until 2012
There is no payment history (check, cc, cash, insurance) to my counsalor
My post on fb that someone should accuse shatz of sexual harrassement. Then deleted my fb
I participate in anti democrat protesting
When asked to tell my story, i cant make it
When trying to tell my story, i need "terms"
My brother works for Trumps lawyer
My parents lost their home to Hironos family who filed a lawsuit against them

So i have specific details. Is hirono guilty now? Will there be a fbi investigation?

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #235 on: September 22, 2018, 07:17:47 PM »
This just in, Keyser, a lifelong friend of Ford was identified as the other female at the party that this supposed groping took place. She has now come out and officially stated that she is denying this ever happened. So now out of the 5 people who were identified as being at this party, 4 of them have denied either being there or deny this ever happened. The 4 people are Kav, Judge, Smyth (all friends) and now Keyser (lifelong friend of Ford). Ford is pretty much on her own here.

I think the most logical explanation to all of this is that her memory of the incident is flawed. I don’t doubt this happened to her in her own mind. I just think she is getting some other incidents confused together. I have done this myself and I could swear something occurred but when I question someone who I remember was there, they deny they were a part of it. Yet my mind is telling me I am right. While it is absolutely possible that she is lying, I think it is too late for her to turn back.

I've been engaging in this thread more than I should, mostly because I had a similar experience in high school.  I haven't really told but a couple of friends, mainly because it really doesn't make any sense to me.

Long story short, there was this Sophomore girl I kissed ONCE and stopped when she said she had a boyfriend.  But, for some reason, she told her boyfriend.  I still don't know what she told him, but he came to my school and threatened me.  He's a good 5 inches taller and a lot heavier -- football player from another school in our county.  He yelled and made noise slamming his fist on the side of the school busses we were between, until the asst principal popped his head around the corner to see what was up.  I told him this guy was just leaving, so he did.

Over a year later, I'd just finished my first year in college and was back home for the Summer.  I hadn't thought of that guy all year long, then the phone at home rang. He wanted to meet to apologize for his yelling at me.  So, I went to the mall as he asked to meet him.  He and 2 of his friends walked me to the Sears loading dock, where he repeated the same yelling and hitting -- this time against a semi trailer.  Luckily a security guard walked around the corner and told us to leave. As we walked away, the guard put his hand on his gun and ordered the others to drop their weapons.  I hadn't noticed, but all three had hunting knives on their belts mostly covered by their shirts.  The guard said they can claim them next week at the mall office.  I had a feeling they'd also be trespassed and barred from mall property, but never heard if they did that.

As I got on my motorcycle, the guy yelled, "Meet me at your high school in 30 minutes."  I said, "Okay.  I'll be there."

I drove straight home, got my grandmother's Raven Arms .25, called a friend, picked her up on my bike, and we ate dinner at Pizza Hut in Charlotte.  No way was I going to the school with 3 idiots looking for a reason to do whatever to me.

I never heard from them again. Maybe they were arrested for carrying concealed weapons?  No idea.

The rest of that Summer and next year at school was fine. I came home after my Sophomore year and dropped by the high school for whatever reason. Speaking to the Sergeant at the JROTC trailer, I mention that girl's name.  He said, "Didn't you hear? She committed suicide."

Apparently whatever was going on with her and that boyfriend caused her to put a shotgun in her mouth.

My guess is, she told him something more than what really happened in that activity bus in Raleigh that one night, or he didn't believe that was all there was to it.  Why she told him at all is a mystery.  Regardless, I was basically Kavanaugh with someone coming after me for something I never did -- and didn't even know what it was I was supposed to have done.  All because a girl with an imagination decided ... what? She needed some drama to spice up her life?  Maybe it was purely her guilt that exaggerated the magnitude of what happened.

I often wonder how much I may have factored into her decision to take her life.  I wish I knew the whole story.  So few details -- so much craziness.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #236 on: September 22, 2018, 07:33:36 PM »
This just in, Keyser, a lifelong friend of Ford was identified as the other female at the party that this supposed groping took place. She has now come out and officially stated that she is denying this ever happened. So now out of the 5 people who were identified as being at this party, 4 of them have denied either being there or deny this ever happened. The 4 people are Kav, Judge, Smyth (all friends) and now Keyser (lifelong friend of Ford). Ford is pretty much on her own here.

I think the most logical explanation to all of this is that her memory of the incident is flawed. I don’t doubt this happened to her in her own mind. I just think she is getting some other incidents confused together. I have done this myself and I could swear something occurred but when I question someone who I remember was there, they deny they were a part of it. Yet my mind is telling me I am right. While it is absolutely possible that she is lying, I think it is too late for her to turn back.

Here's what the lawyer, Katz, said about Keyser:

Quote
"It's not surprising that Ms Keyser has no recollection of the evening as they did not discuss it," Katz
said in a statement. "It's also unremarkable that Ms. Keyser does not remember attending a specific
gathering 30 years ago at which nothing of consequence happened to her. Dr. Ford of course will
never forget this gathering because of what happened to her there."

OMG!  "Dr. Ford of course will never forget?" She barely remembers "who" was there, changes the "what" from "put his hands on me" to "attempted rape", and can't remember squat about "when", "where" or "how".

But, she'll never forget the "gathering."  I thought she called it a party ... now it's a "gathering?"

They need to stop with the ever-changing storyline.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #237 on: September 22, 2018, 07:44:26 PM »
HA!
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #238 on: September 22, 2018, 07:46:37 PM »
Here's what the lawyer, Katz, said about Keyser:

OMG!  "Dr. Ford of course will never forget?" She barely remembers "who" was there, changes the "what" from "put his hands on me" to "attempted rape", and can't remember squat about "when", "where" or "how".

But, she'll never forget the "gathering."  I thought she called it a party ... now it's a "gathering?"

They need to stop with the ever-changing storyline.
Of course she had to put a spin on it. If they accept it at face value they don’t have a case. Of course she doesn’t have a case anyway. I think Ford should just fade away into the sunset so everyone will just forget about her. Eventually.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #239 on: September 22, 2018, 09:41:49 PM »
Dr. Ford:   Too terrified of flying to travel from CA to DC on an aircraft.

Also Dr. Ford:  Moved to Hawaii for a one-year internship to complete her PhD.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Even if she did suffer a phobia, they offered to send someone out to interview her where she lives!