Milsurp Morality (Read 14354 times)

zippz

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 03:20:07 PM »
I have 4 Russian Mosin-Nagant rifles and a Mosin-Nagant revolver.

They could have been used to kill, been carried by someone who was killed, or both.

Fortunately you dont have to worry about the former as the later was much more likely to happen.

rklapp

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 07:34:32 PM »
I doubt my 1942 MN 91/30 was used in combat. I used to own a Chinese T53 carbine that was in poor condition when I bought it. They coulda picked it out of the mud in Vietnam. Someone had etched “Yuri” in the stock. Never know...
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Q

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2018, 08:25:11 PM »
isn't the Samurai sword supposed to take the spirit of who it kills?

The primary weapon for the samurai was the yari/spear; very rarely did they use their swords, and if they did,  they likely utilized the wakizashi the most during the warring period,  in order to decapitate their fallen enemies as trophies. The katana (in battle) was a last ditch weapon.

During the peaceful period before the Meiji era, both katana and wakizashi evolved into more ceremonial / status symbols for the samurai, Until they were eventually banned during the Meiji restoration.

The whole "absorb the soul" thing is likely just an over-dramatization of the samurai culture. Most samurai after the warring period did not utilize their swords in combat, and most actually only resulted to testing the quality and sharpness of their blades on dead prisoners.



Yes, that's why my grandma gave it away.  I'm super pissed.  To buy a brand new authentic one will cost you big bucks, if you can find a sword maker.  So the one we had was a family sword for generations.

Many swords in Japan were given up after WWII and  were family swords.  My friends dad was a translator in Japan during the sword confiscation.  Many soldiers were crying, but understood.  He did meet a jap general and felt so bad that my friends dad said he will but his sword in the back and take it home later.  Then at a later date, return it back to the general.  When he went back to where he left the sword, someone else took it for themselves.

My friends dad spoke little to no japanese, but had a full jap name.  So the army made him a translator, even when he told them he can't speak.  Then he got called to the Korea War, but had enough points to get out.  But because he was 1 of the few translators left, his CO told him, if you wanna get out, find a replacement to go to Korea.  And he still didn't speak japanese well.  So he found a guy from the Big Island who had no family to take his spot.  The transport plane that took the new translator and the general crashed and all on board died.



Look at Cheness swords; very beautiful functional pieces at a very cheap price

eyeeatingfish

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2018, 08:49:27 PM »
I don't attach morality to objects so to all the questions I would say I don't care.


If I may pose a question in response,
Could you shake the hand of an enemy?
Could you have a beer with one who killed Americans?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2018, 09:07:27 PM »
I don't attach morality to objects so to all the questions I would say I don't care.


If I may pose a question in response,
Could you shake the hand of an enemy?
Could you have a beer with one who killed Americans?

Would YOU have a beer with Obama, drone-killer of American citizens without due process?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2018, 05:21:09 PM »

Look at Cheness swords; very beautiful functional pieces at a very cheap price
Those look like decent swords at reasonable prices.  I think my practical sword was around that price range, but you can definitely tell the quality difference between the levels as well as in the finer details like the hamon. 

I have a couple of katanas and a shinobi (basically ninja sword).  They were all much heavier than I had thought when I first started my research on them.  Knowing what I know now, I were to get a sword for more "practical" reasons, I would get a wakizashi. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2018, 04:58:40 PM »
Would YOU have a beer with Obama, drone-killer of American citizens without due process?

I don't drink beer, but I would be willing to have a hard cider with him.

Not really as extreme an example as I was thinking of though.

So could you? How about someone worse... someone like Kim Jyong Un?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2018, 07:29:15 PM »
I don't drink beer, but I would be willing to have a hard cider with him.

Not really as extreme an example as I was thinking of though.

So could you? How about someone worse... someone like Kim Jyong Un?

 :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2018, 01:04:51 PM »
I don't drink beer, but I would be willing to have a hard cider with him.

Not really as extreme an example as I was thinking of though.

So could you? How about someone worse... someone like Kim Jyong Un?
I don't think there are any Democrat politicians I'd have a beer with, even if they were
buying.  I like beer but not bad company.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2018, 01:14:11 PM »
I don't think there are any Democrat politicians I'd have a beer with, even if they were
buying.  I like beer but not bad company.

I avoid having drinks, lunch or anything else with Liberal friends unless I'm prepared to get stuck with the check -- or at least pay for most of the rounds.

Some behaviors are predictable.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Bushido

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2018, 07:22:04 PM »
Nice to have a weapon with some history.... :thumbsup:

I feel the same. In a weird way I would feel proud to have such a piece in my possession.

robtmc

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2018, 08:29:19 PM »
I avoid having drinks, lunch or anything else with Liberal friends unless I'm prepared to get stuck with the check -- or at least pay for most of the rounds.

Some behaviors are predictable.
Funny you should mention that.

When I lived in San Diego near my youngest brother, he and a few of his buddies and I would go out for beers at a local No San Diego pub about once a week.  Custom was to rotate the picking up the bill.  Most all his buddies were good to go.  My brother (a liberal lawyer) most often copped some sort of excuse why he should not pay.

He did not know that his buddies smirked and nodded behind his back as they expected the check dodge from him. 

Were he not my brother, I would have nothing to do with him,

eyeeatingfish

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2018, 08:38:35 PM »
I don't think there are any Democrat politicians I'd have a beer with, even if they were
buying.  I like beer but not bad company.

Hmmm. I could sit down with just about anyone and find something entertaining to talk about.

Wouldn't have to be politics.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2018, 08:43:50 PM »
Funny you should mention that.

When I lived in San Diego near my youngest brother, he and a few of his buddies and I would go out for beers at a local No San Diego pub about once a week.  Custom was to rotate the picking up the bill.  Most all his buddies were good to go.  My brother (a liberal lawyer) most often copped some sort of excuse why he should not pay.

He did not know that his buddies smirked and nodded behind his back as they expected the check dodge from him. 

Were he not my brother, I would have nothing to do with him,

I can top that.....

We had an Air Force Captain (I was one, too) who was married to a woman who was also making good money.  DINKS -- "Double income, no kids".

First Friday of each month, we'd have "Officer training" for our division at the all ranks club. Basically the training was an excuse for Happy Hour -- training lasted 15 minutes most months. 

Anyway, each time we went out, this captain would collect all the money and pay the tab with his credit card.  Not a big deal. We figured it was a free loan until the bill came due, or maybe he was racking up reward points.

We're talking about 20 or so officers, some with spouses/guests ponying up their share of the check.  About the 6th or 7th time he collected the cash, one of our other Captains looked over as he signed the credit card receipt.  To be helpful, she said, "If you're not sure about the tip, 20% should be about $XX.XX."

His reply:  "I don't believe in tipping."   :wtf:

All that time, he was collecting everybody's cash INCLUDING TIPS and stiffing the servers. 

By pocketing the tip money, we were basically paying for his food, drinks, and a bonus of whatever was left from the tips -- all for the privilege of his company.

Some people. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2018, 08:44:28 PM »
Hmmm. I could sit down with just about anyone and find something entertaining to talk about.

Wouldn't have to be politics.

Some of us are easily entertained.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2018, 05:48:54 AM »
I don't think there are any Democrat politicians I'd have a beer with, even if they were
buying.  I like beer but not bad company.
Normally I would sadly agree with this. As this is what our country has come to in most cases. However I really like my state representative (For Kapolei) Sharon Har. Even though she is a democrat she is very much a conservative in most (not all) of her views. And where she is a little more liberal leaning I agree with what she is doing in most (not all) cases. She holds numerous talk stories throughout the house sessions including before and after. She keeps us informed of the basic goings on. She also surveys her constituents to find out what we feel is important topics that need addressing. She is very approachable and responds personally to my e-mails. And of course she is pro 2A.

She is one democrat politician I would love to sit down and have a beer with.  :thumbsup:
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2018, 10:58:51 AM »
Some of us are easily entertained.   :geekdanc:

Some of us don't have so much hate in our heart that we are unable to hang out with people who have different political beliefs.
 :stopjack:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2018, 11:01:41 AM »
Some of us don't have so much hate in our heart that we are unable to hang out with people who have different political beliefs.
 :stopjack:

LOL! I'm sure you have Conservative friends.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2018, 11:49:02 AM »
I want to say that as far as sitting down with someone from the left side of the spectrum (other than a politician) I have no qualms about sitting down and having a beer or socializing with them. I don’t have to talk politics. And if the other person agrees not to talk politics then all is good. I found that the true liberals are very much like myself. We can always find common ground whether political and discuss politics like adults or agreeing to stay away from politics. It is the leftists/progressives that have a problem with me due to my conservative values and libertarian political beliefs. They are the ones that refuse to not talk politics and they are the ones that insist on engaging due to their anger and rage. I have personally seen and experienced it with family and friends. Nothing to the effect of physical violence but there has been plenty of raising voices on their part and separation on my part due to their lack of control.

I cannot control how they feel and act. I can only control myself. So as long as there are people that are out of control, there won’t be sitting down with them.
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drck1000

Re: Milsurp Morality
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2018, 01:51:46 PM »
I want to say that as far as sitting down with someone from the left side of the spectrum (other than a politician) I have no qualms about sitting down and having a beer or socializing with them. I don’t have to talk politics. And if the other person agrees not to talk politics then all is good. I found that the true liberals are very much like myself. We can always find common ground whether political and discuss politics like adults or agreeing to stay away from politics. It is the leftists/progressives that have a problem with me due to my conservative values and libertarian political beliefs. They are the ones that refuse to not talk politics and they are the ones that insist on engaging due to their anger and rage. I have personally seen and experienced it with family and friends. Nothing to the effect of physical violence but there has been plenty of raising voices on their part and separation on my part due to their lack of control.

I cannot control how they feel and act. I can only control myself. So as long as there are people that are out of control, there won’t be sitting down with them.

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