Open carry opinion from state attorney general (Read 12702 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Open carry opinion from state attorney general
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2018, 10:12:47 PM »
What you now have is nothing. The cops declarations (submitted by Honolulu, Kauai, and Maui PDs with those counties' amicus brief) state that the policy stated in the Opinion has always been their policy... thus the Opiinion policy. which the cops claim has always been in effect, has resulted in no unconclealed licenses ever being issued. And that policy continues in effect. Where is your "something" compared to nothing? What is it exactly that you are going to "take advantage of"? Why didn't you take advantagbe of it during the past 20 years while the same policy has been in effect? Show me.

Did you not read the date on the letter? September 2018. We didn't have this letter for 20 years, we have it now and we should use it for what we can. Recognize the possible short term instead of only looking long term.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Open carry opinion from state attorney general
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2018, 10:39:53 PM »
Did you not read the date on the letter? September 2018. We didn't have this letter for 20 years, we have it now and we should use it for what we can. Recognize the possible short term instead of only looking long term.

If they still require the police chief to issue a decision based on extraordinary circumstances, the only thing that's changed is you can now be denied for both concealed AND open carry of firearms.

Let's break out the champagne!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Open carry opinion from state attorney general
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2018, 05:43:39 AM »
If they still require the police chief to issue a decision based on extraordinary circumstances, the only thing that's changed is you can now be denied for both concealed AND open carry of firearms.

Let's break out the champagne!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Not even that... the declarations by the chiefs of police clearly and unambiguously state that anyone, including the typical law-abiding citizen not employed in any manner as "security", at any time in the past could have applied for an open carry license OR a concealed carry license. There is no "now" now. They said so. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was. And after they said so, they signed the declarations immediately below this statement: "I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct." (The declarations by both the Honolulu PD chief and the Kauai PD acting chief have verbatim identical phrases and sentences throughout their declarations, including: "[T]he Attorney General's opinion comports with the [HPD's/KPD's] past and current practice.")

The absolute worst case scenario for the cops is "We apologize for any errors made by very low level employees, mere clerks really, who may have erroneously and mistakenly misinformed members of the public who inquired about filing an application for unconcealed carry licenses that those applications could only be submitted by persons employed as "security". We have conducted training for all low echelon employees who shuffle papers and interact with the public to correct their knowledge such that they now know anyone has ALWAYS been able to apply for both unconcealed and concealed carry licenses. Thank you for your patronage, you peons."