Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences (Read 60060 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #220 on: March 27, 2024, 06:09:45 PM »
Another possibility is upside down battery.

This happened to me as the tray is very snug for my Holosun. So when I popped it out, IDK which way the batter was because it flipped like a coin. 

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #221 on: March 27, 2024, 06:26:48 PM »
Another possibility is upside down battery.
Someone asked him that.  :rofl:

He reported it was working previously and just went out. Did some research and seems like some reports of bending contacts and short initial battery life. I use all Duracell or Panasonic batteries, and will change if it comes with another brand.

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #222 on: March 27, 2024, 06:29:47 PM »
This happened to me as the tray is very snug for my Holosun. So when I popped it out, IDK which way the batter was because it flipped like a coin.
You have a 50/50 chance of being ok, or test yourself as if the dot went down. Flip the battery before every course of fire.

That reminds me, watch the screw on the battery door. I was in a class where two guys lost the screw for the battery door. Range ground was all rocks, so no chance to find.

Rocky

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #223 on: March 28, 2024, 12:57:01 PM »
Separate topic, but you can setup double feeds as well.  In a SB a LONNNGGG time ago, your partner has to setup your mags.  General intent was 2 randomly spaced casings inserted to simulate double feed to occur randomly in a COF.  My partner happened to put like 4-5 in one mag. . . ended up being during the portion of the COF where I was at the bottom of the VTAC. . . evil. . . I could hear them laughing. . .  :grrr:  ;D
   We do one called "F" your buddy where buddy loads mags and tosses in a couple snap caps randomly and inserts in your holstered firearm.
Tap and rack dance.
Some "buddys" will fill the whole mag with dummy's, but after 3 or more, I automatically change mags

    I like iron sights but I (or should I say my eyes) finally broke down for the dot on my HDS.
G19 with light and holosun, it does not conceal well on my slim  :rofl:  figure for CC.
I do well with my smaller frames from concealed but usually don't go anywhere, maybe town once or twice a month and feel the CC need more when returning home and entering my house.

  My range bag always has extra battery's for all equipment that requires them, including ears, but I've given them more to others than needed myself.

   Our qaul times are all under 2.5 up to 7 yards (one guy under 1.5 but he's an alien),  around 5 sec @ 10 yds and a hair over that from 15yds (alien is faster).
USUALLY 100% or 10 points off if trying to push it.
Have not shot test with HD gun yet but will this weekend.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #224 on: March 28, 2024, 01:36:21 PM »
   We do one called "F" your buddy where buddy loads mags and tosses in a couple snap caps randomly and inserts in your holstered firearm.
Tap and rack dance.
Some "buddys" will fill the whole mag with dummy's, but after 3 or more, I automatically change mags

    I like iron sights but I (or should I say my eyes) finally broke down for the dot on my HDS.
G19 with light and holosun, it does not conceal well on my slim  :rofl:  figure for CC.
I do well with my smaller frames from concealed but usually don't go anywhere, maybe town once or twice a month and feel the CC need more when returning home and entering my house.

  My range bag always has extra battery's for all equipment that requires them, including ears, but I've given them more to others than needed myself.

   Our qaul times are all under 2.5 up to 7 yards (one guy under 1.5 but he's an alien),  around 5 sec @ 10 yds and a hair over that from 15yds (alien is faster).
USUALLY 100% or 10 points off if trying to push it.
Have not shot test with HD gun yet but will this weekend.
Which Holosun did you end up going with? 

I am going to try to shoot the CCW qual again this weekend with Glock 17.4 with irons and maybe my M&P with irons, just to try. 

Does the alien's name start with D?  ;D

Rocky

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #225 on: March 28, 2024, 01:49:47 PM »
Which Holosun did you end up going with?  407

Does the alien's name start with D?  ;D
Yeah, but I call him "Otto"
I think the last time we were with you was with BB and while I was at truck checking equipment, HPD showed up for  "Someone firing full "Otto"  :rofl: :rofl:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

oldfart

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #226 on: March 28, 2024, 03:24:08 PM »
Re. " F your buddy" drill.

There are 2 conflicting philosophies in the pistol world in the event of a misfire.

Tap, rack, bang -in tactical training.
Or
Stop and keep the pistol pointed in a safe direction and wait a few seconds in the event of a hang fire.

What to do?
What, Me Worry?

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #227 on: March 29, 2024, 01:14:22 PM »
re:Otto
Ya.  Those were some great range days. 

For your CC, what light?  Dot is 407K, right?  I have CC'ed a 17 with X300U/T and Acro.  I've lost quite a bit of weight since you last saw me, but still not "trim" like you.  I typically cc a 17.5 with EPS and TLR7A. 

Rocky

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #228 on: March 31, 2024, 10:40:10 AM »
Ya.  Those were some great range days. 

For your CC, what light?  Dot is 407K, right?  I have CC'ed a 17 with X300U/T and Acro.  I've lost quite a bit of weight since you last saw me, but still not "trim" like you.  I typically cc a 17.5 with EPS and TLR7A.
   No light on CC, I don't travel out at night.
Besides, with my trim figure, would be hard to conceal.  :rofl:
Working the G43 and S & W Airweight

   TLR 7 on HD G19 with Holosun 407.

Yeah, saw a recent pic of "less" of you, bet that feels better, but now you can't use your belly to convert your IWB holster into a level 2 holster.   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #229 on: April 01, 2024, 07:39:54 AM »
   No light on CC, I don't travel out at night.
Besides, with my trim figure, would be hard to conceal.  :rofl:
Working the G43 and S & W Airweight

   TLR 7 on HD G19 with Holosun 407.

Yeah, saw a recent pic of "less" of you, bet that feels better, but now you can't use your belly to convert your IWB holster into a level 2 holster.   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
With my 19 or 17 with TLR 7A, the holster bulk isn't noticable, since it's on the grip side of the barrel.  I also have a 43x for CCW, but no light rail version.

Feels good overall.  Now there's other methods of "replicating level 2"  ;D

zippz

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #230 on: April 01, 2024, 08:23:03 AM »
I got a TLR7 on my Glock 48.  Doesn't add much to the size.

But like night sights, weapon mounted lights have a relatively small set of circumstances where they would be used. And majority of civilian CCWers don't train the proper use of them.

zippz

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #231 on: April 01, 2024, 08:29:48 AM »
Trained on a VTAC barrier with a red dot yesterday.  It is so much easier and can be more accurate and quicker as your eye can be slightly out of alignment with the bore or the gun rotated.  Like rotating the gun 90 degrees.  It can be done with irons, but more difficult and slower to do.

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #232 on: April 01, 2024, 09:05:45 AM »
Trained on a VTAC barrier with a red dot yesterday.  It is so much easier and can be more accurate and quicker as your eye can be slightly out of alignment with the bore or the gun rotated.  Like rotating the gun 90 degrees.  It can be done with irons, but more difficult and slower to do.
I've noticed the positional shooting aspect, especially with red dots on rifle.  Somewhat with handguns.  One thing I did notice with VTAC is watch out for the height over bore.  Didn't put holes in the barrier, but there are plenty holes in barriers that have been "signed". 

I got a TLR7 on my Glock 48.  Doesn't add much to the size.

But like night sights, weapon mounted lights have a relatively small set of circumstances where they would be used. And majority of civilian CCWers don't train the proper use of them.
Not sure if I mentioned in this thread or training thread, but RDS with no/low light and using white light is one aspect where RDS is really helpful.  As for training, yeah, not many opportunities in Hawaii. 

changemyoil66

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #233 on: April 01, 2024, 10:47:58 AM »
Didn't put holes in the barrier, but there are plenty holes in barriers that have been "signed". 


No lie, get your sig all over the wood. :rofl:

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #234 on: April 01, 2024, 11:09:33 AM »
No lie, get your sig all over the wood. :rofl:
No, but IIRC I was there when you or Mrs. CMO had to sign the NEW VTAC barrier. . .  ;D

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #235 on: May 28, 2024, 08:04:35 AM »
Trying the CHPWS Comp RDS on a Glock 34.4.  Had a GC for slide milling for CHPWS, so decided to mill my 34.4 that was sitting around.  I bought it for shooting USPSA Production, but have been shooting Carry Optics, as well as the vast majority of my training and classes are with handguns with RDS.  CHPWS had a sale when milling the slide, so decided to give the Comp a try since I was able to get it for a very good price. 

CHPWS Comp - CHPWS' version/close on the Trijicon SRO (same footprint).  Took it to the range and shot a little over 100 rounds to zero the dot and general testing with the new slide.  Overall, impressions of the dot are ok.  I like the 3 MOA, but will see how the brightness works out.  It was a mostly sunny day, but overcast.  The dot on the max setting I think was ok.  I would prefer to have 1-2 higher settings on a clear day.  I'll shoot it in a match and see and might be ok.  The other two guns that I've been shooting matches with have an Acro and EPS and they have higher settings.  I'll also check the battery, to test if that helps.  Beyond the brightness, I think the Comp is pretty good.  The window is huge and I can see why many folks like the SRO for competition, as well as other uses.  The Comp has a slight blueish/greenish tint to the lens, which is common for the RMR/SRO and I don't notice it when shooting.  The lens is clear and maybe an ever so slight magnification.  The elevation and windage adjustments have distinct clicks, but does need a tiny flat head screwdriver.  The Comp comes with two tools/keys.  One flat head and one torx for the battery compartment.  I opted for the Torx screw option when doing the slide milling, and didn't notice what the standard screws are.

Slide Milling - Milled for the Comp with "Zev posts" and Torx screw option.  Also added diagonal forward serrations and went with the nitride finish.  The estimated turn around time was 4 weeks for the milling and another 2-4 weeks for the nitride.  Total time from shipping to return was a little less than 4 weeks.  Communication with CHPWS was great with both questions prior to the work, and upon receipt of the slide to verify options prior to starting the work.   The milling seems spot on and like the attention to detail on the serrations where the Glock logos are on the left side of the slide.  The serrations have clean edges, which I really like.  The nitride finish is really clean and even, with a slight texture, which I also like.  I also order their low profile BUIS.  With the RDS, the very tip of the fiber optic front sight is visible in the notch of the rear sight.  I would have preferred the RDS be a touch lower, but it's fine where it sits. 

I was a little hesitant sending the gun to CHPWS as they've had mixed reviews.  Both for slide milling and other products/services.  Overall, I am very happy with the slide milling and "ok" with the Comp RDS. 

macsak

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #236 on: May 28, 2024, 08:24:26 AM »
interesting that they can sell enough volume to justify the development costs
and there are so many different models...

Trying the CHPWS Comp RDS on a Glock 34.4.  Had a GC for slide milling for CHPWS, so decided to mill my 34.4 that was sitting around.  I bought it for shooting USPSA Production, but have been shooting Carry Optics, as well as the vast majority of my training and classes are with handguns with RDS.  CHPWS had a sale when milling the slide, so decided to give the Comp a try since I was able to get it for a very good price. 

CHPWS Comp - CHPWS' version/close on the Trijicon SRO (same footprint).  Took it to the range and shot a little over 100 rounds to zero the dot and general testing with the new slide.  Overall, impressions of the dot are ok.  I like the 3 MOA, but will see how the brightness works out.  It was a mostly sunny day, but overcast.  The dot on the max setting I think was ok.  I would prefer to have 1-2 higher settings on a clear day.  I'll shoot it in a match and see and might be ok.  The other two guns that I've been shooting matches with have an Acro and EPS and they have higher settings.  I'll also check the battery, to test if that helps.  Beyond the brightness, I think the Comp is pretty good.  The window is huge and I can see why many folks like the SRO for competition, as well as other uses.  The Comp has a slight blueish/greenish tint to the lens, which is common for the RMR/SRO and I don't notice it when shooting.  The lens is clear and maybe an ever so slight magnification.  The elevation and windage adjustments have distinct clicks, but does need a tiny flat head screwdriver.  The Comp comes with two tools/keys.  One flat head and one torx for the battery compartment.  I opted for the Torx screw option when doing the slide milling, and didn't notice what the standard screws are.

Slide Milling - Milled for the Comp with "Zev posts" and Torx screw option.  Also added diagonal forward serrations and went with the nitride finish.  The estimated turn around time was 4 weeks for the milling and another 2-4 weeks for the nitride.  Total time from shipping to return was a little less than 4 weeks.  Communication with CHPWS was great with both questions prior to the work, and upon receipt of the slide to verify options prior to starting the work.   The milling seems spot on and like the attention to detail on the serrations where the Glock logos are on the left side of the slide.  The serrations have clean edges, which I really like.  The nitride finish is really clean and even, with a slight texture, which I also like.  I also order their low profile BUIS.  With the RDS, the very tip of the fiber optic front sight is visible in the notch of the rear sight.  I would have preferred the RDS be a touch lower, but it's fine where it sits. 

I was a little hesitant sending the gun to CHPWS as they've had mixed reviews.  Both for slide milling and other products/services.  Overall, I am very happy with the slide milling and "ok" with the Comp RDS.

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #237 on: May 28, 2024, 08:34:57 AM »
interesting that they can sell enough volume to justify the development costs
and there are so many different models...

Sarcasm?  Or serious?

I didn't research all, but believe a few (if not all) are not developed by CHPWS.  I vaguely recall discussion of some are straight clones or some are a previously "developed" RDS and slight tweaks to CHPWS "specs" or preferences (or something like that). 

I was originally planning on either SRO or 507Comp, but the with the sale pricing of the CHPWS Comp and (mostly) good reviews, I decided to give it a try.  If the dot brightness ends up bothering me, then I'll likely try the SRO on this pistol (hopefully the tolerances allow) and use the CHPWS on a .22 lr rifle or something. 

changemyoil66

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #238 on: May 28, 2024, 08:37:46 AM »
Trying the CHPWS Comp RDS on a Glock 34.4.  Had a GC for slide milling for CHPWS, so decided to mill my 34.4 that was sitting around.  I bought it for shooting USPSA Production, but have been shooting Carry Optics, as well as the vast majority of my training and classes are with handguns with RDS.  CHPWS had a sale when milling the slide, so decided to give the Comp a try since I was able to get it for a very good price. 

CHPWS Comp - CHPWS' version/close on the Trijicon SRO (same footprint).  Took it to the range and shot a little over 100 rounds to zero the dot and general testing with the new slide.  Overall, impressions of the dot are ok.  I like the 3 MOA, but will see how the brightness works out.  It was a mostly sunny day, but overcast.  The dot on the max setting I think was ok.  I would prefer to have 1-2 higher settings on a clear day.  I'll shoot it in a match and see and might be ok.  The other two guns that I've been shooting matches with have an Acro and EPS and they have higher settings.  I'll also check the battery, to test if that helps.  Beyond the brightness, I think the Comp is pretty good.  The window is huge and I can see why many folks like the SRO for competition, as well as other uses.  The Comp has a slight blueish/greenish tint to the lens, which is common for the RMR/SRO and I don't notice it when shooting.  The lens is clear and maybe an ever so slight magnification.  The elevation and windage adjustments have distinct clicks, but does need a tiny flat head screwdriver.  The Comp comes with two tools/keys.  One flat head and one torx for the battery compartment.  I opted for the Torx screw option when doing the slide milling, and didn't notice what the standard screws are.

Slide Milling - Milled for the Comp with "Zev posts" and Torx screw option.  Also added diagonal forward serrations and went with the nitride finish.  The estimated turn around time was 4 weeks for the milling and another 2-4 weeks for the nitride.  Total time from shipping to return was a little less than 4 weeks.  Communication with CHPWS was great with both questions prior to the work, and upon receipt of the slide to verify options prior to starting the work.   The milling seems spot on and like the attention to detail on the serrations where the Glock logos are on the left side of the slide.  The serrations have clean edges, which I really like.  The nitride finish is really clean and even, with a slight texture, which I also like.  I also order their low profile BUIS.  With the RDS, the very tip of the fiber optic front sight is visible in the notch of the rear sight.  I would have preferred the RDS be a touch lower, but it's fine where it sits. 

I was a little hesitant sending the gun to CHPWS as they've had mixed reviews.  Both for slide milling and other products/services.  Overall, I am very happy with the slide milling and "ok" with the Comp RDS.

If you're milling the slide, why not mill it for the optic that you're going to use?  I mean, adding a plate adds extra cost, stuff that can go wrong, and slight increase in bore height.

Are Trijicon SRO, RMR, etc...diff footprints? I never looked into this or Holosun's as I only have 1 RDS, so it's moot for us.

drck1000

Re: Red Dot on Handgun - Sharing Experiences
« Reply #239 on: May 28, 2024, 08:47:33 AM »
If you're milling the slide, why not mill it for the optic that you're going to use?  I mean, adding a plate adds extra cost, stuff that can go wrong, and slight increase in bore height.

Are Trijicon SRO, RMR, etc...diff footprints? I never looked into this or Holosun's as I only have 1 RDS, so it's moot for us.
:facepalm:

I did mill the slide for the RDS I planned on using. . . the Comp. . .  The Comp also has the same footprint as the SRO and RMR.  While I didn't intend to switch, I did have footprint flexibility in mind. 

This pistol was mostly a try/project gun since I had the credit with CHPWS.  I sent another 17.5 slide for RCR off to another company.  That one is more "purpose driven".