protesters are on the H1 freeway westbound near Punahou overpass

protesters are on the H1 freeway westbound near Punahou overpass

Seriously? Taking after BLM bullshit!

I mean I get it’s a sensitive and highly emotional issue all around, but messing with daily lives of folks is 

over a telescope.
Id be understanding if it was a toxic waste dump but does a telescope harm the environment? it jist sits there.
Maybe if it didnt cost $1B it wouldnt be an issue.
Seems that this is an Al Sharpton shakedown

over a telescope.
Id be understanding if it was a toxic waste dump but does a telescope harm the environment? it jist sits there.
Maybe if it didnt cost $1B it wouldnt be an issue.
Seems that this is an Al Sharpton shakedown

You don't get it. They are holy spiritual religious people who have the sensitivity, insight and perspective, not to mention a direct line to their gods themselves, to be able to determine what is (Mauna Kea) and what might not be (all the lands they "lease" for millions of dollars annually to Target, WalMart, Safeway, Home Depot, etc.) "sacred", and, that whatever they say is sacred, they also get to say who may or may not do what when. In other words, they are the boss of you.

Our great Governor Ige must have been a circus performer.  He straddles the fence better than any acrobat I've ever seen!

AND... he's a fucking asshole. 

Did anyone see what former Governor Abercrombie had to say about the protesters?  Should send Abercrombie and Ige to go talk to them.  That should be an entertaining scene.

were there protests for the earlier telescopes?

I personally find it difficult to respect someone's religious beliefs when their actions don't respect others' lawful right to use public roadways.

Respect is a two-way street (pun intended  ).

What percentage of Hawaiians oppose the telescope?  And how many Hawaiian groups support/oppose the telescope?

were there protests for the earlier telescopes?

"Opposition to the Mauna Kea Observatories has existed since the first telescope was built in the late 1960s. "

In Honolulu, the governor and legislature, enthusiastic about the development, set aside an even larger area for the observatory causing opposition in the main city of the Big Island, Hilo. Native kānaka ʻōiwi believed the entire site was sacred and that developing the mountain, even for science, would spoil the area. Environmentalists were concerned about rare native bird populations and other citizens of Hilo were concerned about the sight of the domes from the city. Using town hall meetings, Jefferies was able to overcome opposition by weighing the economic advantage and prestige the island would receive.[6] There has been substantial opposition to the Mauna Kea observatories that continues to grow.[14] Over the years, the opposition to the observatories may have become the most visible example of the conflict western science has encountered over access and use of environmental and culturally significant sites.[15] Opposition to development grew shortly after expansion of the observatories commenced. Once access was opened up by the roadway to the summit, skiers began using it for recreation and objected when the road was closed as a precaution against vandalism when the telescopes were being built. Hunters voiced concerns, as did the Hawaiian Audubon Society, which was supported by Governor George Ariyoshi.[10]

The Audubon Society objected to further development on Mauna Kea over concerns to habitat of the endangered palila, an endemic species to only specific parts of this mountain. The bird is the last of the finch billed honeycreepers existing on the island. Over 50% of native bird species had been killed off due to loss of habitat from early western settlers, or the introduction of non-native species competing for resources. Hunters and sportsmen were concerned that the hunting of feral animals would be effected by the telescope operations.[16] A "Save Mauna Kea" movement was inspired by the proliferation of telescopes, with opposition believing development of the mountain to be sacrilegious.[17] Native Hawaiian non-profit groups, such as Kahea, (whose goals are the protection of cultural heritage and the environment), oppose development on Mauna Kea as a sacred space to the Hawaiian religion.[18] Today, Mauna Kea hosts the world's largest location for telescope observations in infrared and submillimeter astronomy. The land itself is protected by the U.S. Historical Preservation Act due to its significance to Hawaiian culture, but this still allowed development.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Mauna_Kea_Observatories

What percentage of Hawaiians oppose the telescope? 

I read one letter from a person claiming to be "Hawaiian" (that's a whole can of worms in itself) who claimed there was a poll that 70% of "Hawaiians" FAVORED the TMT, but were mostly afraid to speak out due to responses from those opposed, including threats in addition to various name-calling. Can't find the article... it was on the Hawaii Free Press website the past few days and had a link to the poll.

Aquamans sorry he cant make it
https://www.kitv.com/story/40792057/jason-momoa-so-sorry-he-cant-be-on-the-mauna-as-protests-continue

I can respect the fact that Hawaiians hold that land sacred and don't want more construction on it, but also wish all these activists were this animated at election time. Furthermore, why didn't they block the rail, or other far more invasive and harmful projects, imposed on not only Hawaiians, but all Hawaii citizens?

Ige issued an emergency proclamation today.  Tomorrow, law enforcement will have special powers to remove people from roadways and make arrests.

Not sure why a proclamation was needed to let police do the job they normally do everywhere else in the state.


https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/07/17/ige-issues-emergency-proclamation-for-situation-on-mauna-kea/

I’m so glad Hawaii was taken over by the USA...  We can protest, say F-trump, glorify gays, etc.

Imagine if we were occupied by Japan, China, or even Russia, I don’t think any of those countries would stand for this...

All they get are slaps on the wrists...  Instead of arrests, people would probably get “silenced”

 

What percentage of Hawaiians oppose the telescope?  And how many Hawaiian groups support/oppose the telescope?

Many of my Hawaiian friends who moved to the mainland have posted in support of the Hawaiians.  But to be fair, I find that when someone leaves the islands, they become more proud of where they came from.  Because prior to them leaving, they never cared about any Hawaiian issues. Since moving, their FB feed fill up with OHA stuff, telescope, sovereignty, etc...I would say this is a good handful of those I know who left.

Had 1 friend who I've ridden with before always would play hip hop or EDM music.  Got in his car and he was jamming to IMUA.  I was like WTF, when you started to listen to Hawaiian music.  Another flys the Hawaii flag on her home.  But not when she was here.

I personally find it difficult to respect someone's religious beliefs when their actions don't respect others' lawful right to use public roadways.

Respect is a two-way street (pun intended  ).

These people who do this are just assholes.  So basically anyone who was on the fence of which side to be on, now would lean toward the TMT side.

Our great Governor Ige must have been a circus performer.  He straddles the fence better than any acrobat I've ever seen!

he's a frickin' gutless wonder.  some people are destined to go through life accomplishing... not much.  except maybe pissing people off with their indecisiveness and lack of action.

Did anyone see what former Governor Abercrombie had to say about the protesters?  Should send Abercrombie and Ige to go talk to them.  That should be an entertaining scene.

I'd bet that Abercrombie would suddenly discover that he's part Kanaka, Elizabeth Warren style.  He would be embraced as a chant-leader kupuna by the TMT protesters.

Ige would be frustrated because he knows he couldn't make the same claim with any credibility.

What percentage of Hawaiians oppose the telescope?  And how many Hawaiian groups support/oppose the telescope?

Copied from a third party, so I don't have the link:

Honolulu Advertiser

"While media coverage of the Thirty Meter Telescope has been dominated by images of hundreds of protesters trying to block construction of the project, support for the telescope has been strong throughout the state in recent years.

About three-fourths of local residents have said they support the telescope in Honolulu Star- Advertiser polls conducted in 2016 and 2018. The polling also suggested growing support among Native Hawaiians, with 72% of those polled saying they supported the project in 2018, a significant increase from earlier."

I was just stuck in traffic eastbound H1 in the dip by pearl city before the towers
truck stopped on the freeway with a bunch of flags on the back