Maunakea TMT Protests (Read 296789 times)

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #220 on: July 29, 2019, 10:42:35 AM »
Such irony! For this person was just like you, i.e. claimed to know it all! I'm sure he'd challenge you and assert that you "are very mistaken". I don't care if you believe me or not, it's a real person who claims some degree of "hawaiianess". "When I asked him who was going to come and seize my property and deport me he cited some international law claiming that the U.S. military would be obligated to do the seizures and deportations. I'm not making it up. He knows everything.

Does this Hawaiian have any legal, historical, or academic background?  That could explain the depth of that person's understanding or misunderstanding on the legal aspects concerning the ending of an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation based on international law.


So you're acknowledging that all those signs we see and claims made all over the place (such as by Ing above) about "hawaiians" having been and being subject victims of "racism" are false, because they aren't a "race". Good to know. Thanks. What kind of efforts have you made to correct the liars or those who are "very mistaken" about their "race" claims?

Hawaiians are a nationality, not a race.  However, aboriginal Hawaiians living in their occupied nation has historically suffered gross discrimination, as currently defined by the US Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #221 on: July 29, 2019, 10:52:41 AM »
Though I was born and raised here I don't  identify as Hawaiian. There is a difference. I am of American nationality and transracial.
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changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #222 on: July 29, 2019, 11:22:10 AM »
Though I was born and raised here I don't  identify as Hawaiian. There is a difference. I am of American nationality and transracial.

I too don't ID as Hawaiian.  But if a chick with a dick can ID as female, then I guess my Japanese/Okinawan ass can ID as Hawaiian also.  Homestead application, here I come.

My friend is Hawaiian, but on his birth cert it says Native American only.  His dad was super drunk when his mom was giving birth.  And when the nurse asked what he is, he said Native American.  He's the only child of 3 who didn't go to Kamehameha.  I guess in the 80's they just took your word for it.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #223 on: July 29, 2019, 11:37:41 AM »
Such irony! For this person was just like you, i.e. claimed to know it all! I'm sure he'd challenge you and assert that you "are very mistaken". I don't care if you believe me or not, it's a real person who claims some degree of "hawaiianess". "When I asked him who was going to come and seize my property and deport me he cited some international law claiming that the U.S. military would be obligated to do the seizures and deportations. I'm not making it up. He knows everything.

Does this Hawaiian have any legal, historical, or academic background?  That could explain the depth of that person's understanding or misunderstanding on the legal aspects concerning the ending of an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation based on international law.


So you're acknowledging that all those signs we see and claims made all over the place (such as by Ing above) about "hawaiians" having been and being subject victims of "racism" are false, because they aren't a "race". Good to know. Thanks. What kind of efforts have you made to correct the liars or those who are "very mistaken" about their "race" claims?

Hawaiians are a nationality, not a race.  However, aboriginal Hawaiians living in their occupied nation has historically suffered gross discrimination, as currently defined by the US Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

A person can't get into Kamehameha Schools based on Hawaiian nationality.
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punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #224 on: July 29, 2019, 12:14:21 PM »
A person can't get into Kamehameha Schools based on Hawaiian nationality.
These people are total hypocrites. They will use any word (race, ethnicity, nation, sovereign, discrimination, etc.) to mean anything at any time as a cudgel in order to force their point. Another time they will use the same word to mean something completely different, or claim a concept NOW only applies one way or another, despite having said otherwise at another time. They and their use of language are totally "flexible", or as Lewis Carroll put it:

‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’

Watch now as they tie themselves into linguistic hypocrisyknots as they try to explain the qualifying "blood quantum" standard as some kind of twisted white man imposed misunderstood momentarily necessary evil until the "nationalist" agenda can conveniently overtake their racist agenda when it suits their purposes.

changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #225 on: July 29, 2019, 12:38:09 PM »
When I was younger, I thought ethnic background and nationality were the same.  I learned the diff between the 2 when I asked this 1 guy what his nationality was.  And he said American.

This was the same time I learned ashita (Japanese for tomorrow) was pronounced ah-shhhhhh-ta and not ah-she-ta.

But it took longer to know that Jesus was pronounces hey-sue-s and not like Jesus Christ.  The worst part was I was calling this guy Jesus (Christ) for a few years and he never corrected me.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #226 on: July 29, 2019, 01:11:31 PM »
stuff that didn't get quoted...

China?  Are you for real?

Chinese is a race.  There are 56 ethnic groups who identify as Chinese.

How many more differences between China and the "Nation" of Hawaii do you need to see how unrelated the two are?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Quote
Chinese people are the various individuals or ethnic groups associated with China,[1] usually through
ancestry, ethnicity, nationality, citizenship or other affiliation.

Han Chinese, the largest ethnic group in China, at about 92% of the population,[2] are often referred to
as "Chinese" or "ethnic Chinese" in English,[3][4] however there are dozens of other related and unrelated
ethnic groups in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #227 on: July 29, 2019, 01:18:26 PM »
China?  Are you for real?

Chinese is a race.  There are 56 ethnic groups who identify as Chinese.

How many more differences between China and the "Nation" of Hawaii do you need to see how unrelated the two are?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people

Or you can call them Chineses

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #228 on: July 29, 2019, 01:30:25 PM »
Or you can call them Chineses

When the "Hawaiian Nation" (however that gets defined) claims 1 billion people, THEN Kuleana can talk about Hawaii and China in the same context. 

Until then, it's pineapples & mandarine oranges.

By the way, China DOES ALLOW NATURALIZATION of foreigners.  Try getting your facts straight, Kuleana.

https://www.thoughtco.com/chinese-citizenship-explained-688071
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #229 on: July 29, 2019, 01:31:02 PM »


1:04

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #230 on: July 29, 2019, 02:15:38 PM »
Or you can call them Chineses

you waycist..
by the way, I think the term "Chinatown" is racist. Can we call it downtown?
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changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #231 on: July 29, 2019, 02:22:17 PM »
you waycist..
by the way, I think the term "Chinatown" is racist. Can we call it downtown?

But can you still say "I'm taking you down.  Downtown to Chinatown".

changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #232 on: July 29, 2019, 02:23:40 PM »
Funny thing I noticed, in Vegas, most of the billboard signs for ambulance chaser atty's are Jews.  But once you get into Chinatown, it's all Chineses.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #233 on: July 29, 2019, 02:30:11 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #234 on: July 29, 2019, 03:50:46 PM »
RAY_SIST!!

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #235 on: July 29, 2019, 04:04:27 PM »
RAY_SIST!!



Tha Sacred Chinaman's (NoWayciss) Hat
Great place to put an AirBnB there.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 04:20:15 PM by ren »
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Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #236 on: July 29, 2019, 04:34:43 PM »
Though I was born and raised here I don't  identify as Hawaiian. There is a difference. I am of American nationality and transracial.


As I said, only those people who can trace their aboriginal lineage to the Hawaiian islands or provide legal documents to show their ancestors were recognized legal citizens of the Kingdom of Hawaii or the short-lived Republic of Hawaii, can claim to be Hawaiian nationals today.  Anyone arriving and settling in Hawaii after the illegal annexation of Hawaii by the US in 1898 do not have the right to call themselves Hawaiian or nationals of Hawaii.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #237 on: July 29, 2019, 04:40:56 PM »

As I said, only those people who can trace their aboriginal lineage to the Hawaiian islands or provide legal documents to show their ancestors were recognized legal citizens of the Kingdom of Hawaii or the short-lived Republic of Hawaii, can claim to be Hawaiian nationals today.  Anyone arriving and settling in Hawaii after the illegal annexation of Hawaii by the US in 1898 do not have the right to call themselves Hawaiian or nationals of Hawaii.

but I still can't get into Kamehameha...
although I can get kamaaina discount  :shaka: :thumbsup:
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zippz

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #238 on: July 29, 2019, 04:41:31 PM »
Hawaii was illegally overthrow but that's just real life.  Since the prehistoric rise of.humans it's been survival of the fittest.  Man vs man, village vs village, tribe vs tribe, nation vs nation.  Every race of people has been conquered multiple times by insiders and outsiders.  That's just how history is and people evolve each time and advance to where we are now.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #239 on: July 29, 2019, 04:52:29 PM »
Hawaii was illegally overthrow but that's just real life.  Since the prehistoric rise of.humans it's been survival of the fittest.  Man vs man, village vs village, tribe vs tribe, nation vs nation.  Every race of people has been conquered multiple times by insiders and outsiders.  That's just how history is and people evolve each time and advance to where we are now.

Real life?
I think its just a matter of perception.
Lion kills and eats a gazelle.
Was that fair? Was that legal? Shall we have a court of kangaroos to determine that?
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