Maunakea TMT Protests (Read 296800 times)

punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #280 on: July 31, 2019, 03:31:21 PM »
There must be H U G E advantages to putting TMT on Mauna Kea... otherwise TMT would have said fuck off a long long time ago and headed to another site not controlled by hysterical superstitious racists playing the victim card.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #281 on: July 31, 2019, 03:36:15 PM »
so where are the 75%ers that wanted the telescope?
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #282 on: July 31, 2019, 03:49:45 PM »
There must be H U G E advantages to putting TMT on Mauna Kea... otherwise TMT would have said fuck off a long long time ago and headed to another site not controlled by hysterical superstitious racists playing the victim card.
I know most ignore what I write.
But there is a HUGE advantage.
Why do you think the entire world
tolerates the BS from our very small
population of  noisy "Hawaiian" culture
practitioners?

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #283 on: July 31, 2019, 03:55:26 PM »
I know most ignore what I write.
But there is a HUGE advantage.
Why do you think the entire world
tolerates the BS from our very small
population of  noisy "Hawaiian" culture
practitioners?

because Bruno Mars...
https://www.kitv.com/story/40861658/bruno-mars-says-he-stands-with-kiai-opposing-tmt-construction
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #284 on: July 31, 2019, 04:01:07 PM »
so where are the 75%ers that wanted the telescope?
They are afraid of the
very small population of 
noisy "Hawaiian" culture
practitioners.
Keep in mind most people
in Hawaii are Democrats and by
definition have serious personal
problems with being aggressive
with doing what is right.  Democrats
only follow Party policy.
In the case of TMT the Democrats
won't take a stand about laws
they have passed.
.

groveler

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #285 on: July 31, 2019, 04:03:41 PM »
because Bruno Mars...
https://www.kitv.com/story/40861658/bruno-mars-says-he-stands-with-kiai-opposing-tmt-construction
Who is Bruno Mars?
I'm more of a Ramstein or Metallica sort of guy.
Du haust mich.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2019, 04:09:28 PM by groveler »

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #286 on: July 31, 2019, 04:26:35 PM »
Who is Bruno Mars?
I'm more of a Ramstein or Metallica sort of guy.
Du haust mich.

he was Lil Elvis.
Before there was Lil Wayne, Lil Yachty, Lil Pump, Lil Xan, Lil Uzi Vert

Deeds Not Words

mrgaf

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #287 on: July 31, 2019, 04:51:41 PM »
he was Lil Elvis.
Before there was Lil Wayne, Lil Yachty, Lil Pump, Lil Xan, Lil Uzi Vert



Now just Lil’ Shit..... >:D
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

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RSN172

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #288 on: July 31, 2019, 05:37:31 PM »
Spain is probably laughing at us now.
Well you gotta admit Hawaii has a lot to laugh at. One party government,  highest home prices in the nation,  TMT, rail, Gov Ige, Brian Schatz, Kealohas,  and the stupidity of Mazie Hirono to name a few.
Happily living in Puna

eyeeatingfish

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #289 on: July 31, 2019, 10:13:41 PM »
so where are the 75%ers that wanted the telescope?

At home, at work, and probably hesitant to step forward.

They had a rally with about 150 people at the capital last week. I read the comments on instagram and facebook of people who were against the TMT. There was so much hate and racism and implied violence against supporters.

I got no problem supporting it on facebook, I posted my support for all to see but I have a feeling if I went in person people would look at my skin color and say its cause of my race.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #290 on: July 31, 2019, 10:20:01 PM »

If the US and her people still believe and follow its Constitution, then yes, deoccupation will happen.

However, as with many of this forum, as evidenced by their emotionally led responses on this issue, do not believe or, like the democrats and liberals they despise, pick and choose when to follow the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  Hence, deoccupation of Hawaii by the US will be very costly, indeed.


I agree with you on the idealistic side but on the realistic side it just isn't very realistic or practical.

If you are that serious, what are the solutions to the problems I posed?

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #291 on: July 31, 2019, 10:45:08 PM »
I agree with you on the idealistic side but on the realistic side it just isn't very realistic or practical.

If you are that serious, what are the solutions to the problems I posed?


The solution is exactly what the prescribed remedy is: deoccupation.  The following are but some of the things that would happen after the US flag is finally lowered.

Just as the US transferred the political authority of Iraq to its people ending their illegal occupation there, the same needs to happen for Hawaii.  In the beginning phases, the federal government would cease all funding to the islands.  This would help the US budget tremendously.  All of the federal military and other land controlled would transfer over to the authority of reinstated Hawaiian government, as did both US bases in the Philippines did, after the fall of the US supported dictator Ferdinand Marcos in 1985.  All of its branches of government would cease its operations and return to the continental US.  All federal taxation and tariffs would also end, freeing Hawaii to become more business friendly.  As for the so-called Hawaii state government, it would revert back to the reinstated national government that it took over after the illegal annexation in 1898.  All state taxes would become national taxes.  All services currently run by the so-called Hawaii state government would continue, until which time the newly elected body politic would decide whether to continue, improve, or end them entirely.

As I said, this is but some the things that one could expect happen once deoccupation takes place.

drck1000

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #292 on: July 31, 2019, 11:03:40 PM »

All of the federal military and other land controlled would transfer over to the authority of reinstated Hawaiian government, as did both US bases in the Philippines did, after the fall of the US supported dictator Ferdinand Marcos in 1985.  All of its branches of government would cease its operations and return to the continental US.
How would military bases be turned over to the Hawaiian gov’t? Do you even realize the magnitude of what the US military has in Hawaii?

Understand that you feel strongly about this on principle, but do you realistically see this as any more than a pipe dream?

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #293 on: July 31, 2019, 11:06:26 PM »
I simply don't think it a very realistic option. There are numerous logistical challenges including but not limited to:
Who gets citizenship?

Citizenship would initially be offered to any living descendant of a Hawaiian national who can trace their lineage prior to the illegal annexation by the US in 1898.  All other residents who resided in Hawaii after 1898 would be considered unofficial resident aliens that could elect to become permanent resident aliens once such process is enacted by the new body politic.

 
Will their be a monarchy restored?

This is actually where many Hawaiian historical and legal scholars are still discussing.  Some believe the monarchy needs to be restored, while others believe it should be replaced by a republic.


If so, who gets claim the throne out of the multiple people alive today who can trace lineage today?

See above.


Do we kick out the US military? If so will we be able to make our own military sufficient to protect ourselves from the likes of China?

With deoccupation, all federal organizations would cease its operations in the islands and return to the US.  As for possible invasion from China; China has not invaded any country for over the last 100 years.  If there is any country that a nation should fear being invaded from, is the US, who has invaded more sovereign nations in the last 30 years than Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea COMBINED!


What if other islands want to be independent?

One needs to double check the last legal constitution Hawaii had prior to the illegal annexation of Hawaii by the US in 1898 to see if there were such provisions.


You think the USA will simply let us go because we point out it was an illegal overthrow?

Politically it would be hard for the any US administration to administer the correct remedy to its Constitutionally illegal occupation of Hawaii, but as long as both aboriginal and non-aboriginal Hawaiian nationals galvanize, as is currently being done in the protests against TMT on Mauna Kea, yes there will always be hope.

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #294 on: July 31, 2019, 11:13:23 PM »
How would military bases be turned over to the Hawaiian gov’t? Do you even realize the magnitude of what the US military has in Hawaii?

Understand that you feel strongly about this on principle, but do you realistically see this as any more than a pipe dream?


If you recall, the pentagon wanted to shut down a number of military bases in Hawaii due to the incredibly high costs of their maintenance.  It was only from the king of pork, Senator Daniel Inouye, and now his successor Senator Brian Schatz who are constantly looking for funding to keep many of those expensive assets in-place.  I would argue the money spent on the US military in Hawaii would be better spent by President Trump for Americans on building the border wall separating the US and Mexico!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #295 on: July 31, 2019, 11:22:54 PM »
How would military bases be turned over to the Hawaiian gov’t? Do you even realize the magnitude of what the US military has in Hawaii?

Understand that you feel strongly about this on principle, but do you realistically see this as any more than a pipe dream?

The nuclear missile silos need to be at the top of the list. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #296 on: August 01, 2019, 03:08:41 AM »

If you recall, the pentagon wanted to shut down a number of military bases in Hawaii due to the incredibly high costs of their maintenance.  It was only from the king of pork, Senator Daniel Inouye, and now his successor Senator Brian Schatz who are constantly looking for funding to keep many of those expensive assets in-place.  I would argue the money spent on the US military in Hawaii would be better spent by President Trump for Americans on building the border wall separating the US and Mexico!
Well, buckle up because more pork is on it’s way.

The nuclear missile silos need to be at the top of the list. 
You went there  ;D

And yes, I bet that’d be on top of the list for that fine instrument of defense policy.

macsak

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #297 on: August 01, 2019, 05:15:45 AM »

I would argue the money spent on the US military in Hawaii would be better spent by President Trump for Americans on building the border wall separating the US and Mexico!

racist!

macsak

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #298 on: August 01, 2019, 05:20:06 AM »

as long as both aboriginal and non-aboriginal Hawaiian nationals galvanize, as is currently being done in the protests against TMT on Mauna Kea, yes there will always be hope.

Mdotweber

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #299 on: August 01, 2019, 06:23:18 AM »
China wouldn't have to invade, once 70% percent of the state's nation's income vanishes China will gladly step in to "help". Unfortunately for the new nation of Hawaii, China has a "no f#@ks given" attitude in regards to the current politically correct and entitlement mindset that has allowed this situation to get to its current point. Im at the point where i say f$@k it. Dont haul the tanks to port drive'em on the fed interstate as a nice gift to the newborn nation.Destroy all fed infastructure on the way out.  :popcorn:
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?