Virtually everything they do lends credence to the absurd claims of "illegal invasion", etc. by 1. supporting it directly or indirectly, or 2. not taking action to stop criminal activity or 3. as in the press conference today, Ige, the AG, and the DOT spokesperson apologized profusely multiple times for inadvertently "harming" the flag the criminals had nailed to the plywood blocking the door to the illegal structure. I thought they might start crying. Had Green been there he no doubt would have wept uncontrollably. Disgusting.

No, just because you disagree does not mean Hawaii is not being illegally being occupied by the US.

The US and so-called state government of Hawaii knows that Hawaii is illegally occupied by the US.  Remember the Clinton Apology Resolution in 1993?  The US Government already admitted to the facts that I have shared on this forum for some time now.  Since 1993, more legal evidence was brought forward conclusively proving that the annexation of Hawaii by the US in 1898 was illegal, since it violated US Constitutional Law.  And the US and so-called Hawaii state government know this fact very well also.

That is why they are responding the way they are.

Aloha!     

Let's understand this.
An illegal structure was erected on the land with no EIS and OHA is crying about the desecration of the State flag erected by miscreants?
And now we law-abiding folk have to tolerate a protest movement via a car & truck cruise? How silly is this going to get? How is this "nation in distress" and "traumatized" again?
I will post this to show what a nation in distress looks like:





not in distress:




and OUR USA in NOT in distress:


and this is what we will miss out on:
https://www.businessinsider.com/30-meter-telescope-should-be-built-mauna-kea-2015-8

If you had your nation illegally taken away from you, you would be singing a different tune.

No, just because you disagree does not mean Hawaii is not being illegally being occupied by the US.

The US and so-called state government of Hawaii knows that Hawaii is illegally occupied by the US.  Remember the Clinton Apology Resolution in 1993?  The US Government already admitted to the facts that I have shared on this forum for some time now.  Since 1993, more legal evidence was brought forward conclusively proving that the annexation of Hawaii by the US in 1898 was illegal, since it violated US Constitutional Law.  And the US and so-called Hawaii state government know this fact very well also.

That is why they are responding the way they are.

Aloha!     

What BS?

THAT BS.

THAT BS.

Opinions vary.

By the way, have you gone to Mauna Kea and tried to share your thoughts and views with the protestors?

If you had your nation illegally taken away from you, you would be singing a different tune.

I'm of British heritage. Do you hear me incessantly whining about how the traitorous American colonists illegally rebelled and stole the British colonies from Great Britain?

Nobody is that stupid. A few people are, however, stupid enough to believe those kinds of lies about the history of this place. We see them repeating the lies and criminally blocking public roadways and spouting nonsense about "sacred" this and "sacred" that... yeah, some claimed that the building demolished today was "sacred". You can't make up this level of stupid... and lying. Pathetic. Even more pathetic is that the cowardly state and county government officials violate their oaths of office by allowing the continued criminality. Pathetic.

Opinions vary.

By the way, have you gone to Mauna Kea and tried to share your thoughts and views with the protestors?

I went out into my yard and shared my thoughts and views with a rock... figured that would have the same effect. Pretty sure the rock was less brainwashed and more informed.

I'm of British heritage. Do you hear me incessantly whining about how the traitorous American colonists illegally rebelled and stole the British colonies from Great Britain?

Bad example.  The American colonists were mostly subjects of King George III.

Hawaii was an internationally recognized neutral nation by Great Britain, France, the US, etc.  The American colonies were not.

I went out into my yard and shared my thoughts and views with a rock... figured that would have the same effect. Pretty sure the rock was less brainwashed and more informed.

Wow.

Never knew you actually talk to the rocks in your yard.  That really explains a lot.

If you had your nation illegally taken away from you, you would be singing a different tune.

There's that "if" hypothetical - always trying to paint a fantasy; some kind of fork of reality to appeal to someone. Weak argument.
Never will. Never happened. Born here in the 50th State of the United States of America. Proud American.

There's that "if" hypothetical - always trying to paint a fantasy; some kind of fork of reality to appeal to someone. Weak argument.
Never will. Never happened. Born here in the 50th State of the United States of America. Proud American.

Deny the Clinton Apology Resolution of 1993 and US Constitutional Law all you want.

All that really matters is that we Hawaiians know the truth, the US and so-called Hawaii state government knows the truth, the Court of Arbitration at the Hague knows the truth, and the UN knows the truth.

Wow.

Never knew you actually talk to the rocks in your yard.  That really explains a lot.

Not as dumb as your dumbass repetitive lies and stupidity incapable of distinguishing sarcasm. Plus, I know the rocks are smarter than the criminals up there blocking the road and have a better chance of understanding reason, logic and facts. You prove that on a near daily basis.

Deny the Clinton Apology Resolution of 1993 and US Constitutional Law all you want.

All that really matters is that we Hawaiians know the truth, the US and so-called Hawaii state government knows the truth, the Court of Arbitration at the Hague knows the truth, and the UN knows the truth.

Your "Clinton Apology Resolution" isn't worth the paper that Democrat propaganda screed was printed on. Passed by ignorant Democratic majority House and Senate who would rubberstamp reparations for squirrels if someone had submitted it.

Read a rebuttal with links to extensive corroborating data here: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/u-s-apology-resolutions-20th-anniversary-repeal-it-dont-celebrate-it/

That's so laughable that you claim "the truth"... what you really mean is that there is an extremely small minority of people who are deluded and delusional who choose to remain ignorant of the real facts because those facts burst their superstitious racist bubble which passes for the only reality they can deal with.

Your "Clinton Apology Resolution" isn't worth the paper that Democrat propaganda screed was printed on. Passed by ignorant Democratic majority House and Senate who would rubberstamp reparations for squirrels if someone had submitted it.

Read a rebuttal with links to extensive corroborating data here: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/u-s-apology-resolutions-20th-anniversary-repeal-it-dont-celebrate-it/

That's so laughable that you claim "the truth"... what you really mean is that there is an extremely small minority of people who are deluded and delusional who choose to remain ignorant of the real facts because those facts burst their superstitious racist bubble which passes for the only reality they can deal with.

Love or hate the democrats, it does not give you the authority to ignore US Laws passed by them.  The fact that you do makes you a criminal under US law.

Moreover, given your disdain for those actions taken by the legal US Government you don't like, clearly shows how subjectively biased you are when discussing the legal status of Hawaii as of 2019.

How about a anti TMT parade through Waikiki, complete with floats carrying Hawaiian royalty and a marching band. Start em from Aloha Tower to Kapiolani Park.

Das cool, az long az dey keep um ova dea (Oahu) an no bring um ova hea (BI).

RE: "da shack" and that poor flag.

First of all, those idiots deliberately attached wood pieces over the flag to make it difficult to remove.
The cop with the saw was trying to cut the wood off the flag, not destroy the flag.
How respectful is it to nail or screw wood over a flag?

Secondly, da shack was disapproved by the elders or whomever is leading the protest movement.
The reason was that "they" (the leaders) WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT left behind by the protest activity.
The end result was that the aina was disturbed MUCH MORE than necessary by constructing the illegal shack because the state had to bring in heavy equipment to remove all that crap.
And by the way, everybody knows that da shack, AKA "keiki learning center library" was bullshit. They knew it, the news reporters knew it.
What parent in their right mind would let their child go into a makeshift structure like that?

So now what you have up there on the mountain are rebel factions forming with conflicting ideas on what should or should-not be done.
And idiots on Oahu who really just want to attract attention to their shiny F150's, Tacomas and Silverados by obstructing traffic on a lovely Sunday morning.

--end of rant--

Hawaiians are just one of many groups who cannot agree on how to run things.  Catholics broke off into various Protestan groups.  You have the religon of love who have the Sunni and Shiite factions who hate each other.  Within OHA you have differing factions as to how things should be done.  Same thing among Republicans, Dummycrats and gun rights groups.  You will never get a large group of individuals agreeing 100% on how something should be done.

Hawaiians are just one of many groups who cannot agree on how to run things.  Catholics broke off into various Protestan groups.  You have the religon of love who have the Sunni and Shiite factions who hate each other.  Within OHA you have differing factions as to how things should be done.  Same thing among Republicans, Dummycrats and gun rights groups.  You will never get a large group of individuals agreeing 100% on how something should be done.

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This is the fundamental rule of all life forms. From microbes to plants to insects to primates to humans.
Competition is how life goes on. Darwin is my hero.

Waiting to see them exercise their 2a rights.

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Waiting to see them exercise their 2a rights.

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RE: "da shack" and that poor flag.

First of all, those idiots deliberately attached wood pieces over the flag to make it difficult to remove.
The cop with the saw was trying to cut the wood off the flag, not destroy the flag.
How respectful is it to nail or screw wood over a flag?

Secondly, da shack was disapproved by the elders or whomever is leading the protest movement.
The reason was that "they" (the leaders) WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT left behind by the protest activity.
The end result was that the aina was disturbed MUCH MORE than necessary by constructing the illegal shack because the state had to bring in heavy equipment to remove all that crap.
And by the way, everybody knows that da shack, AKA "keiki learning center library" was bullshit. They knew it, the news reporters knew it.
What parent in their right mind would let their child go into a makeshift structure like that?

So now what you have up there on the mountain are rebel factions forming with conflicting ideas on what should or should-not be done.
And idiots on Oahu who really just want to attract attention to their shiny F150's, Tacomas and Silverados by obstructing traffic on a lovely Sunday morning.

--end of rant--

I’ve actually met a few folks that said the children learning center would have enticed them to going up there and staying for longer periods of time. I’m totally serious.

I watched the video on HNN and they showed that one worked almost get whacked in the head by one dozer. 0.o

As usual, the comments were just wow. One lady was “such a waste, the state could have put on a flatbed and moved somewhere where it could have been used”. That would’ve needed a really WIDE flatbed.

Hawaiians are just one of many groups who cannot agree on how to run things.  Catholics broke off into various Protestan groups.  You have the religon of love who have the Sunni and Shiite factions who hate each other.  Within OHA you have differing factions as to how things should be done.  Same thing among Republicans, Dummycrats and gun rights groups.  You will never get a large group of individuals agreeing 100% on how something should be done.

That’s is very true from my experience in consultation for EA/EIS/Section 106 for various project I’ve worked on. Add Native American groups to that.

Anyways, it seems like a situation that is getting worse...