I am well aware of the containment of communism policy the US had in the aftermath of WWII and do not deny the VALID points you raise from the American point of view. I was never a fan of the Soviet Union.
I didn’t make my statement to make YOU aware of your not including details that make your version of history different. I made my statement out of consideration to those that may not know the whole truth which changes your interpretation somewhat. I think it is only fair that everyone see how you are interpreting this piece of history knowing all the facts and not just what is convenient to say. That’s all.
However, the fact the US unilaterally made the decision to take away the self-determination of the Iranians, especially when America is supposedly the Protector of the Free World contradicted everything why America fought WWII. Moreover, the decision to take over Iran in 1953 was based on speculation, as President Mosaddegh was not a communist and America's beliefs that Iran would fall in the Soviet sphere of influence had no real evidence to show. What we do know was that by installing a US puppet, the US would be able to exploit Iran's oil at a discount favorable to the US and her allies at the UNFORGIVABLE PAIN AND SUFFERING of the Iranians. This fact can't be denied and, from the Iranian point of view, is undeniably in every way selfishly EVIL.[/b]
Let’s not exaggerate here. As much as you feel the US took over Iran, it is just not true. If the US had taken over Iran would be part of the US like any state or territory. That would be a true definition of taking over a country and Imperialism. But the fact is the US NEVER took over Iran. They may have gone as far as having some influence but taking over? Let’s be real here. Whether you like it or not the Shah made all final decisions. If he took away self-determination it is on him and not the US government. That is just silly. That statement you made is not just wholly true. My opinion is that the Shah was friendly to the US, and was influenced by the US but the US never made Iran a part of the US. If Iran was a state or territory of the US the coup to remove the Shah would never have happened. Because we would have troops on the ground and put down any coup attempt. The fact is we did very little to stop the coup attempt of the Shah.
So let me ask you a question. How did the US exploit Iran’s oil at a discount favorable to the US? The US didn’t start buying oil from Iran until 1973. TWENTY YEARS LATER! Please don’t make statements you don’t know the facts behind. And I suppose you were there in Iran at that time so you could experience their “UNFORGIVABLE PAIN AN SUFFERING”? I have spoken to numerous Persians and Iranians who were there during that time period and none of them ever mentioned suffering the likes you described. Give me a break. Yes things were bad then, but not as bad as they are now.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't regime change and/or overthrow of a leader of a sovereign nation an act of imperialism? I think most honest and objective people in this World would think so. That's why I find it hard to believe how Americans can look at an illegal overthrow conduced by their own country, which deprived liberty from another people can somehow think it is something other than imperialism.
Okay, you want to be corrected? Okay, you are wrong. While the US had a hand in the coup attempt in 1953, they were not the only actors by any means. You make it sound like the US did this single handedly. Don’t exaggerate here. It really was not exactly like you describe. I agree that I would prefer our country not to interfere in other countries affairs. But when our choice is to let the Soviets have influence on Iran, then I agree our interference and HELPING the Shah into power was the right move. Your exaggerations are probably why you keep saying Imperialism. But in fact you are taking events that occurred and are making a molehill into a mountain. Imperialism requires acts from the US government that just DIDN’T occur. Like actually taking over Iran and making them a state or territory.
People in this forum always think I am anti-American anything. That is far beyond the truth. I am a pro-Constitutionalist and anti-imperialist. Hence, in this context with Iran, I am anti-US imperialism. There are GOOD AMERICANS in the US, but unfortunately its leadership at the turn of the 19th Century has fallen into the reigns or been persuaded into acts of imperialism that was not, as I always state, what the founding fathers intended America to be. They wanted to be FREE from the British Empire and TRIED to make laws from becoming one.
I don’t think that you are anti-American. I think you are over reacting to most of the events in Iran’s history here. But I guess that is why we don’t agree on most things. Your claims to me are pretty wild here. I’m not saying that you are not entitled to your opinion. Nor and I saying that your idea of events in Iran are even wrong. I’m just saying you and I have different ways of looking at these events.
SADLY, LEADERSHIP OF AMERICA TODAY HAS FAILED THE FOUNDING FATHERS.[/b]
I agree with your statement but not for the same reasons.
I respect your opinion.
As I respect yours.
However, I have to disagree with your assertion that the acts of Iran today against the US and Israel for that matter is mostly their own doing and the US has only partial blame. You mention Iran exporting terrorism around the World. How is that any different from what the CIA has been doing since WWII. I would counter argue that the US via the CIA has and continues to commit more atrocities to more nations than Iran.
After the coup against the Shah and he was removed. Are you saying that Iran’s leaders are justified in their killing of innocents around the world? Because it is their decision and theirs alone to kill innocent people around the world. Whether the CIA was involved in shenanigans with Iran or not, how is NOT the decision of Iran’s leaders to kill innocent people around the world? Forget just the US and Israel. How do you justify Iran supporting terrorism of any type against innocent people, period? And if you decide to take a stab at answering it, I would appreciate an answer, not a question. Even when Obama paid off Iran, they slowed down their acts of terrorism, but never stopped. Maybe you don’t get that it doesn’t really matter what the US does? They are going to be terrorists to advance their agenda if that is what they decide to do. No one is putting a gun to their head and making them do this. It is ALL on them.
Once more, the US has never given up trying to return Iran to the vassal state that it was back in 1953. Do you remember that the US via Saddam's Iraq's invasion of Iran was a proxy war against Iran during the 1980's? In addition, as recent in 2009, American Jeremy Hammond (https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/06/23/has-the-u-s-played-a-role-in-fomenting-unrest-during-irans-election/) has reported how the US tried to meddle in the internal affairs and ferment revolution in Iran.[,quote]
I don’t believe your statement here. We severed ties with Iran. If you are going to say we never stopped then please provide some proof. I don’t agree that the proxy war is the same exact thing as making Iran part of the US. Sorry, in my mind they don’t compute. I’m not disagreeing the events didn’t happen. I just disagree with your premise.