That's the problem with private ranges.  If they get too popular and busy, they get shut down.

every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot.  but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads.  small kine off roading

every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot.  but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads.  small kine off roading

Two words:  rental car.

 

i just get "a friend" to drive
except sometimes, he/she/it almost crashes...

every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot.  but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads.  small kine off roading

Don't forget all the "campaign contributions" to the city council, zoning commission, building permit office, inspectors, EPA, neighborhood boards and #distressed Hawaiian protesters/protectors.

Yup... the cost of doing business in Hawaii

A proper outdoor range is costly and there are many restrictions.  Can't be near housing due to noise.  Need a safe downrange using. A mountain as a backstop or a mile of unpopulated land downrange.  Lead cleanup.  Zoning laws makes large plot of commercial land expensive, or doing commercial activities on AG land has limits.  Most of all, liability makes it a no go for many large landowners.

   All of the above are true but even in remote area's with all of the above, the main reason for denial is liability.
If a shooter or group of shooters is "referred" to the land owner, the land owner may feel more comfortable allowing them to shoot on their land but if they "F" up or are unsafe, it may draw bad feelings between the referrer and the land owner and the referrer may lose their privileges (as well as a relationship).
If you owned "shootable" land, would YOU let ANYBODY use it for that purpose even for High profit ?
Is it worth the risk ?

I recall there was an outdoor range in Waialua called "US Gun Range" that was run by Daniel Oshima, if I'm not mistaken. The firing distance was about 15 to 20 yards with a mountainside as a backstop. I recall shooting there a handful of times. It was a nice private setting that allowed my friends and I to get some good practice time. Downside was the long drive. This was well over a decade ago. I'm not sure of the reasons they closed.

I have my own range on my property on the BI.  15 and 50 yds.  No close neighbors and I hear gun shots all the time around me.  The closest neighbor on my South side, about 300 yards away, told my wife don't worry when you hear gunshots from his direction.  He is just doing target practice.  She told him my husband does the same.  I live in what even some BI people said is the boonies, but I love it here.

Most all of us here on BI live in the "boonies".
 

I'm willing to be a member of a private outdoor shooting range.  I know the membership costs will be high but like everyone seems to agree it's the liability factor.

So with the proper liability insurance passed on to members plus the operating costs of running the range, it needs to be a win-win for both the owners and the members.

And there should be strict rules on safety and range protocols.  And training classes and suspensions all the way up to total ban from the range for members that disregard the rules of protocol and safety.

They have private Golf Clubs.  Let's have private outdoor shooting ranges.

So just like some can go Punahou and Iolani, others have to go to Leilehua or Kahuku. (KHSC)

Main thing get somewhere to go for everybody.      

I'm willing to be a member of a private outdoor shooting range.  I know the membership costs will be high but like everyone seems to agree it's the liability factor.
Main thing get somewhere to go for everybody.      

    Another issue is the private ranges that are around are pretty much booked solid with existing friends and family using the range for training, classes and just plain old open shoot.
As most of this happens on weekends, there's not a lot of room for additional shooters.

     Where I go is a private property, gated and secured, we've all known the owners for years and some of us decades.
So if other than F & F who know the code's and manage the gates and livestock came, someone would have to let them on and off the property,  make sure all of the livestock gates between there and the range get closed as well as "vet" new people.
   
   Speaking of which, just in the past 2 month's, how many times have you heard of people (including instructors) on private ranges having ND's, hanging targets on fruit bearing trees and shooting them up and even the shooting of livestock on the property ?
Historically, there have been more than a couple of "well known"  instructors bounced from this range, and for good reason.

every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot.  but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads.  small kine off roading

That's part of the fun!  Get out and smell the clean(er/ish) country air! Until you drive past a bunch of cows with diarrhea 

i just get "a friend" to drive
except sometimes, he/she/it almost crashes...

 

    Another issue is the private ranges that are around are pretty much booked solid with existing friends and family using the range for training, classes and just plain old open shoot.
As most of this happens on weekends, there's not a lot of room for additional shooters.

     Where I go is a private property, gated and secured, we've all known the owners for years and some of us decades.
So if other than F & F who know the code's and manage the gates and livestock came, someone would have to let them on and off the property,  make sure all of the livestock gates between there and the range get closed as well as "vet" new people.
   
   Speaking of which, just in the past 2 month's, how many times have you heard of people (including instructors) on private ranges having ND's, hanging targets on fruit bearing trees and shooting them up and even the shooting of livestock on the property ?
Historically, there have been more than a couple of "well known"  instructors bounced from this range, and for good reason.

Yup, heard more than a couple instances of folks either not following the rules or pushing the limits of what the property owners has laid out.  Resulting in folks getting "bounced", as well as ruining it for others.  Good thing you don't know any of those folks. . .

I also think due to various reasons, there are a ton of folks that either new to shooting or haven't shot regularly in a long time seeking classes, instruction, qualification, etc.  That's great, however it also comes with higher vigilance with those folks.  Some of which I have heard didn't take the oversight well. . .

You know, this is why it wouldn't be so bad if we had fair and Constitution loving politicians.  Even if they have differing viewpoints on the 2a issue, they should be professionals and make sure public ranges like KHSC get the proper funding to maintain and upkeep the facilities and also making sure safety and lead testing protocols are in place, along with on-going training for the RSO's.

It seems that for decades the issue(s) at KHSC was swept under the rug, probably funding was put on the backburner due to lack of money or maybe just politicians who hate the 2a so won't fight for the funding KHSC needs.

And did they (our leaders) even try to explore the idea of public assistance in running KHSC?  I'm pretty sure there are tons of 2a members willing to volunteer to maintain and help run the ranges to help keep costs down.  Yes, there are liability concerns but there are such things as waivers the volunteers can sign.

How about the City lease certain areas of KHSC to private entities and have them run them as a business?  Anything is possible, but I seem to think our leaders won't even go there.

Then maybe the discussion of private outdoor ranges wouldn't be much of a concern for the 2a community.

I agree 100% about being wary of opening private land to shooters if I owned land.  Liability is the biggest concern but liability can be circumvented through proper planning, membership fees, vetting, security, and serious consequences for violating range and safety protocols.

wall wall wall!!!

 

wall wall wall!!!

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Going off subject I listened to the live concert version from Berlin of this in Sequim ,WA
in the very early morning hours, while on my sail boat.  Berlin wall had fallen.

When will we knock down our Democrat fabricated gun wall?
 

Going off subject I listened to the live concert version from Berlin of this in Sequim ,WA
in the very early morning hours, while on my sail boat.  Berlin wall had fallen.

When will we knock down our Democrat fabricated gun wall?
 

you experienced with flintlocks?

Going off subject I listened to the live concert version from Berlin of this in Sequim ,WA
in the very early morning hours, while on my sail boat.  Berlin wall had fallen.
When will we knock down our Democrat fabricated gun wall?
 

Saw him live summer of "75".
Din't "need no education"

you experienced with flintlocks?

Yes, but it has been a while.