Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor (Read 14945 times)

Kuleana

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2020, 10:16:46 AM »
People of Guam, anyone?  Wonder how many have been exposed because, feelings?

I agree; I sincerely feel sorry for the aboriginal inhabitants of Guam.

Maybe the Guamanians should tell the US Department of Defense to find another or build their own island to garrison and park their ships.

drck1000

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2020, 10:28:43 AM »
Not that it matters, but you really don't know who I am or what I do or who I work with for a living and yet feel qualified to judge my World views, just because I have a different perspective of things from you.

May I also add that you have a narrow view of the World as well.
You keep saying that and no, I don't really know about your background.  Just that your brainwashing and broken record approach is obvious to anyone who is capable of rational thought. 

Copy, I have a narrow world view.  I try to be informed with what I do know, but my opinion is that I am open to other possibilities, points of view, etc.  My opinion of your narrow world view is that you always seem to "know what you know", often about subjects that you're purely speculating (i.e. Navy policies and operations) and don't seem to consider any other possible rational explanation. . .

Anyways, carry on. . .

drck1000

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2020, 10:30:54 AM »
I agree; I sincerely feel sorry for the aboriginal inhabitants of Guam.

Maybe the Guamanians should tell the US Department of Defense to find another or build their own island to garrison and park their ships.
Yeah, go to Guam and call those "aboriginal inhabitants" Guamanian. . . :facepalm: 

ren

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2020, 10:48:03 AM »
Yeah, go to Guam and call those "aboriginal inhabitants" Guamanian. . . :facepalm:

 :rofl:
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2020, 11:09:25 AM »
Yeah, go to Guam and call those "aboriginal inhabitants" Guamanian. . . :facepalm:

You think I do not know the difference between the aboriginal population (i.e., Chamorros) and the residents that make up the US territory of Guam?

I stand by what I said because the US has a history of not listening to the aboriginal as well as indigenous people, whose land were legally or illegally taken from them.  I referred to the pro-US population of Guamanians, since maybe the US might actually listen to their concerns.

changemyoil66

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2020, 11:19:45 AM »
For arguments sake, let's just refer to them as people.  But not "you people".

Kuleana

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2020, 11:21:29 AM »
Just that your brainwashing and broken record approach is obvious to anyone who is capable of rational thought. 

Copy, I have a narrow world view.  I try to be informed with what I do know, but my opinion is that I am open to other possibilities, points of view, etc.  My opinion of your narrow world view is that you always seem to "know what you know", often about subjects that you're purely speculating (i.e. Navy policies and operations) and don't seem to consider any other possible rational explanation. . .


The biases that you keep, which shapes your World view is what forms the basis of your criticism to my views.  You claim you are open to other possibilities, but your almost automatic negative categorization of the points I raise, makes it very clear that you are guilty of what you accuse me.

In this thread, my first posting acknowledged that the Navy was within its right to dismiss Captain Crozier for whatever reason through which I disagreed with their decision and still thought of him as a hero.  Your accusation above clearly showed you either did not read my post carefully or your conscious or unconscious bias against me led you to believe I am not open to "other rational explanation", as you claim.

macsak

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2020, 11:22:51 AM »
You keep saying that and no, I don't really know about your background.  Just that your brainwashing and broken record approach is obvious to anyone who is capable of rational thought. 

Copy, I have a narrow world view.  I try to be informed with what I do know, but my opinion is that I am open to other possibilities, points of view, etc.  My opinion of your narrow world view is that you always seem to "know what you know", often about subjects that you're purely speculating (i.e. Navy policies and operations) and don't seem to consider any other possible rational explanation. . .

Anyways, carry on. . .

and ICBMs...

macsak

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2020, 11:23:45 AM »
The biases that you keep, which shapes your World view is what forms the basis of your criticism to my views.  You claim you are open to other possibilities, but your almost automatic negative categorization of the points I raise, makes it very clear that you are guilty of what you accuse me.

In this thread, my first posting acknowledged that the Navy was within its right to dismiss Captain Crozier for whatever reason through which I disagreed with their decision and still thought of him as a hero.  Your accusation above clearly showed you either did not read my post carefully or your conscious or unconscious bias against me led you to believe I am not open to "other rational explanation", as you claim.

or DRCK is a racist...

drck1000

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2020, 11:32:30 AM »
or DRCK is a racist...
Yup, I yam. . .

And no, I probably didn't fully digest what the OP said.  I was just commenting on the tendency to speculate on topics that he is simply speculating without knowledge of the full context.

And what ICBMS?   ???  :o

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2020, 11:32:45 AM »
For arguments sake, let's just refer to them as people.  But not "you people".

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On December 8, 1941, hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Guam was captured by the Japanese, who occupied
the island for two and a half years. During the occupation, Guamanians were subjected to beheadings, forced labor,
rape, and torture.[7][8][9] American forces recaptured the island on July 21, 1944; Liberation Day commemorates the
victory.

Evil Imperialist Americans!!  How dare they steal Guam ... from the Japanese-Guamanians.   :wtf:

#distressed #Japanese-Guamanians
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2020, 12:29:08 PM »
For arguments sake, let's just refer to them as people.  But not "you people".

what do you mean, "you people"?

Kuleana

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2020, 12:47:08 PM »
I was just commenting on the tendency to speculate on topics that he is simply speculating without knowledge of the full context.

If I am guilty of what you accuse, almost everyone who posts on this forum would be just as guilty.

ren

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2020, 01:22:47 PM »
If I am guilty of what you accuse, almost everyone who posts on this forum would be just as guilty.

So how do ya know where I'm at, when you haven't been where I've been?
Understand where I'm comin' from?
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2020, 11:22:19 AM »
VINDICATED.

It appears the US Navy has concluded that Captain Crozier was not guilty of any wrongdoing or neglecting the chain of command and has recommended his reinstatement as commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/navy-recommends-reinstating-captain-of-coronavirus-stricken-aircraft-carrier/ar-BB139TKQ?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout


As the reinstatement decision lies with Secretary of Defense Esper, we will see if Captain Crozier will still be made as an example for other naval field officers, who places the concern of his crew over the 24/7 US imperial dominance of the seas at a time of peace.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

changemyoil66

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2020, 12:31:53 PM »
So if you're in the Army/Marines and get screwed, the phrase is "fucked by the green weenie".  Whats the navy's equal?

drck1000

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2020, 12:42:41 PM »
Heard/read the recommendation that he be reinstated.  Something is up on that though.  Haven't heard anything about being cleared of wrongdoing or neglecting the chain of command.  Not saying that it didn't happen, but seems to be speculation at this point. 

Kuleana

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2020, 12:45:14 PM »
So if you're in the Army/Marines and get screwed, the phrase is "fucked by the green weenie".  Whats the navy's equal?

I don't know the answer to that one, as thoughts of being penetrated by some color of phallus never ever crossed my mind.    ???

Rocky

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2020, 12:48:01 PM »
So if you're in the Army/Marines and get screwed, the phrase is "fucked by the green weenie".  Whats the navy's equal?
Screwed Blue ?

Wait, aren't  the Marines Navy    :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:    :rofl:

 :shake: :shake:

 :popcorn:
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Kuleana

Re: Captain Crozier: Hero or Traitor
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2020, 12:49:09 PM »
Heard/read the recommendation that he be reinstated.  Something is up on that though.  Haven't heard anything about being cleared of wrongdoing or neglecting the chain of command.  Not saying that it didn't happen, but seems to be speculation at this point.

The article I cited did not mentioned it directly, but did confirm the completion of an investigation by the US Navy presumably based on what charges that got Captain Crozier sacked from his command.