Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations (Read 63320 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2020, 06:33:57 PM »
Firearms turned into HPD.

Right.  And then you have to go through the permit and background check process to get them back.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Bota-CS1

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2020, 06:36:38 PM »
Here's the TOS that you have to agree to in order to access the reg system.  You have to use Google Chrome btw - the site won't display correctly on Safari or FireFox, I tried (I didn't try IE).  It's a one-stop-shop for every city parks reservation system - everything from keiki soccer practice at Kapiolani park to organized adult athletic leagues.  Most of if it is pretty standard TOS verbiage.  I'm not an attorney, but I highlighted the one line that would effectively let them cut you off from exercising your 2a rights thereby forcing you to join a private club. 


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« Last Edit: June 02, 2020, 06:42:44 PM by Bota-CS1 »
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

Bota-CS1

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2020, 06:41:38 PM »
Right.  And then you have to go through the permit and background check process to get them back.

So if someone had a medical episode at the park and was taken away in an ambulance, they'd have to go and reapply for a permit to get their firearms back?  Even if they had a valid long gun permit?

**EDIT: July 28th would be the soonest you could apply to get your firearms back if you left 4 or more of them at the range.  Same if you had to leave a couple of long guns.
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

powder monkey

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2020, 06:57:15 PM »
If gun is registered to him no problem

stangzilla

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2020, 06:58:37 PM »
Department of parks and recreation is now using an online system to reserve time at the Kokohead shooting complex.
We are glad to have the range back open BUT.....

Here are our observations.

The system requires you to create an account to select a time. and date to shoot.

To book a slot you will need to provide medical information and emergency contact information.

Due to the time restrictions and social distancing requirements, it will (for the time being) be impossible to teach classes at the range.

You will not be able to book more than a one-time slot per day.

New rules in place: observed from video on the city website.

1)No parking on the grass - this limits the parking availability to approximately 16 vehicles.
2)Facemasks must be worn at all times, including shooting - this can pose a safety risk, mask hinders sightlines, and can become an entanglement risk.
3)Setup time is 15 minutes and shooting time is 1 hour, (we assume there is also a breakdown time). This means that each slot is reserved for 1 hour and 30 minutes.
4)The system appears to require you to include your address and phone number (shown on the receipt)

While we understand the system is new, they are calling it a PILOT system, which could mean that they intend to keep it in place a long term (forever). Just like the Police department's booking system, this will do nothing but hinder the ability of leag gun owners to acquire arms and train to use them in a safe manner.

The city post regarding the system can be found here : https://www.facebook.com/honolulu.parks/videos/569862310581495/

Thank you for the info.  :shaka:

macsak

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2020, 08:19:40 PM »
I don't play golf
golf is not a sport
its a bunch of guys hiding from their wives, its an excuse to not do house chores and drinking beer

i'm pretty sure lots of guys at the range are doing the same thing...

Brystont1

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2020, 08:21:25 PM »
i'm pretty sure lots of guys at the range are doing the same thing...

Not me my wife begs me to go to the range  :rofl:

Bota-CS1

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2020, 08:57:14 PM »
Not me my wife begs me to go to the range  :rofl:

She’s a keeper!
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

mrgaf

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2020, 09:04:53 PM »
Think I’m gonna wait till Schofield opens up... I live about 5 miles away, better range, longer distances so screw KHSC and C&C...oh yea, Caldwell too!
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ren

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2020, 10:19:40 PM »
what a novel way to track law abiding gun owners
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Rhed

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2020, 10:27:35 PM »
Think I’m gonna wait till Schofield opens up... I live about 5 miles away, better range, longer distances so screw KHSC and C&C...oh yea, Caldwell too!

Same here.. looks like in about 2 weeks according which what I’ve read in the announcement page. Hopefully cr2,kr3, and kr4 will open also. I’m gonna get ready,prep and reload some ammo.
 I can’t believe what we have to do at khsc to shoot. The public can pack the beaches, make big bonfires, no social distancing, stay all day, park anywhere? Talk about ridickuls..

zippz

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2020, 12:24:37 AM »
The alternative to the appointment system is to keep the existing waiting list system.  Without time limits combined with the heavy summer traffic and pent up demand, you could be waiting hours to get a lane.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2020, 12:53:03 AM »
The alternative to the appointment system is to keep the existing waiting list system.  Without time limits combined with the heavy summer traffic and pent up demand, you could be waiting hours to get a lane.

Yes, but the choice to wait is ours, rather than an arbitrary 1-hour time limit per shooter/bench position.

In other words, if the wait is too long, we can come back another day.  But, if the amount of time is limited to 60 minutes, it's not worth the time to prepare, load up, drive from Central or West Oahu, then the reverse afterward.

Hard to justify hours of effort and driving for one hour of shooting.

Then there's the "better get there really early in case traffic is bad, or you'll lose your reservation" factor.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2020, 06:52:04 AM »

Local Agency
Honolulu Department of Parks and Recreation
Public Information Officer Nathan Serota • 18 hr ago
New online system, PROS, to assist with shooting complex reservations. In order to accommodate the demand for limited capacity facilities amidst physical distancing guidelines, the Honolulu Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) and Department of Information Technology (DIT) are proud to unveil a new online reservation system for DPR activities and facilities.

Parks and Recreation Online System (PROS), a custom DIT-developed software, will begin its pilot phase by allowing members of the public to reserve shooting lanes for the Koko Head Shooting Complex (KHSC) online for free.

Beginning June 3 at 12 noon Hawai‘i time, the public can reserve one-hour time slots for either the pistol or rifle ranges of KHSC by visiting the PROS website at https://pros.hnl.info (the link will not be valid until the above mentioned time and date). Only one time slot can be reserved per person per day for either of the ranges.

The KHSC pistol and rifle ranges will resume their regular open hours of 12 p.m. to 4 p.m. Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. Saturday and Sundays, beginning on Friday, June 5. The archery range will also reflect this schedule. Gated access from Kalaniana‘ole Highway into KHSC is scheduled to be opened a half hour before and a half hour after these hours of operation.

Reservations are not needed for the archery range at Koko Head or at the other City archery ranges. Archery ranges will return to regular first-come-first-served functions, with physical distancing and face mask guidelines.

The other four firearm shooting ranges at KHSC (skeet, trap, silhouette, and action pistol) are operated by third-party gun clubs and will remain closed to the public at this time.

Following this initial reopening weekend, online pistol and rifle range reservations at KHSC will begin on Wednesdays at 8 a.m. 

An instructional video is available online to help introduce the public to the PROS software. That video can be viewed by using this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18XXX7S2-ew&feature=youtu.be . We encourage the public to set-up an HNL.Info account prior to the opening of the new registration software. Beginning on June 3 at 12 noon, you may use that account to create a PROS profile before making reservations for the shooting complex.

In addition, DPR has launched a brand new website dedicated to the Koko Head Shooting Complex with the most up-to-date information about KHSC, its rules, procedures, and how to safely enjoy O‘ahu’s only public shooting range. You can access that website by visiting: bit.ly/KokoHeadRange

Public comment and conversations from these messages are not regularly monitored. To express additional concerns or questions pertaining to this announcement, or other Honolulu Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) matters, please email parks@honolulu.gov
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QUIETShooter

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2020, 08:52:08 AM »
what a novel way to track law abiding gun owners

I'm thinking the same thing.  I wish they would extend the shooting time.  Coming from central Oahu to shoot only for an hour is disheartening.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2020, 09:32:13 AM »
Yes, but the choice to wait is ours, rather than an arbitrary 1-hour time limit per shooter/bench position.

In other words, if the wait is too long, we can come back another day.  But, if the amount of time is limited to 60 minutes, it's not worth the time to prepare, load up, drive from Central or West Oahu, then the reverse afterward.

Hard to justify hours of effort and driving for one hour of shooting.

Then there's the "better get there really early in case traffic is bad, or you'll lose your reservation" factor.

The social distancing requirements cut the range capacity by a large amount.  The pistol side would likely be reduced to 1/3rd to half from 36 shooters to 12 or 18 maximum.  Rifle side is likely down to 2/3rds to half depending how it's configured.  The summer traffic, 3 month range closure, large amount of gun sales, and closing of the silhouette range and bays  would double the normal demand for range usage.  Some people stay at the range for half a day.  Under the old system half of the people that want to shoot would not be able to at all and the wait times would be 2 to 4 hours.

I'm sure there will be initial problems with the new system and hope they fix them quickly and the appointment system is a temporary thing.  To me the appointment system and 1 hour limit is the best that can be done with the situation presented.  The real problems are the statewide slow re-opening and social distancing measures.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 09:38:12 AM by zippz »

bass monkey

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2020, 09:33:04 AM »
I know someone that works in the parks division 
Not an official statement,  just answering a friends question in regards to thee numerical questions

This is if you have any allergies,  medical limitations,  etc.
This program will eventually be a singular hub got all parks and recreation registration.
For example kids programs.  So there is a tan to provide medical information that is very limited that is very limited to what an on- sure staff may need to provide first aid,  or to EMA

powder monkey

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2020, 09:39:00 AM »
Range capacity for both rifle and pistol will currently be held to 8 shooting positions + 2 RSO =10 per 1 hr limit. This is in line with
CDC and State dept. of Health guideline for group activity limit of 10
« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 10:07:57 AM by powder monkey »

zippz

Re: Koko Head new procedures for making online reservations
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2020, 09:45:14 AM »
Range capacity for both rifle and pistol will currently be held to 8 shooting positions per 1 hr limit. This is in line with
CDC and State dept. of Health guideline for group activity limit of 10

Well now, guess my generous estimations on range capacity limits were wildly  optimistic.  If anyone has contact with Mike, pls ask him if he has contingency plans for appointment no shows.