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Most likely doomsday scenario for Hawaii?

My somewhat educated guess, from hanging out with the NOAA and civil defense types a bit: locally generated tsunami.

If the great crack on the big island decides to let go and slide off into the ocean a local sea level rise could be as high as 1000 feet and would hit Oahu in less than 30 minutes. But we get it easy: the wave that hits the west coast of the the Americas would sit up on the continental shelf and be up to 5000 feet. The wind of its advance would destroy most of the west coast before the water even hit. It would ride over the coast ranges into the central valley and wash up against the Sierra Nevadas. It has happened before, they think when the Molokai Slide happened. Dates match the layers of deep pacific shell litter found near the TOP of the Sierra Nevadas.

Most likely doomsday scenario that affects Hawaii?

Economic collapse. If the ships stop coming for any reason most of us are screwed. Which is really a damned shame since the islands have more than enough potential food production capacity to feed all of us and then some. We just don't do that because shipping everything in makes a certain group of people a hell of a lot more money than a local food economy could ever hope to.

Need proof? Current estimate of Hawaii population? ~1.4 million. Amount of resources imported? 94% Population at the time of contact: estimated as high as 1 million, no accurate numbers exist. Amount of resources imported? 0%

The key to that degree of sustainability - at least where food is concerned - were the fish ponds, well established taro loi and sweet potato fields. Almost all of those have been destroyed, but if we wanted to build a local food economy we could relatively easily feed everyone. For example, a commercial organic rice grower from California was working on a project that I was also. In the course of our travels around the Big Island for that project... marveled that we weren't growing rice. "Just a fraction of the suitable land I've seen not in use could supply the entire state with rice and probably have some left over for export."

The primary defense against some of the most likely doomsday scenarios that the islands face is actually a healthy, robust and redundant local food supply. The same is true of most places on the mainland, by the way. We should all be up in arms about it here, really. We can grow food all year long, for crying out loud. There is no need for us to be afraid of the day the ships stop coming except that the current economic priorities don't favor any kind of local food supply. It doesn't produce tax revenue like tourism, development and raising land tax values.

But if it ever does come down to serious SHTF and the ships stop coming for the foreseeable future there are 2 groups of people that will rule the islands: the military and the farmers. Everyone else would be very, very wise to be friends with both.

Problem with Oahu is there are quite a few superfund sites around thanks to the military dumping it's toxic goo everywhere. A lot of the soil is contaminated and to make matters worse a huge percentage of the ag is for companies like Monsanto and Pioneer who use the most productive farm land to grow their frankenfood crops like the Terminator seeds that die after one generation so the only way farmers can survive is to buy more seeds from the company. No saving seeds means modern slavery to subsistence farmers. Meanwhile the roundup and whatever new kind of Agent Orange they are working on goes into the streams and contaminates the reef.

Seriously if you doubt the toxicity of the stuff they are doing ask yourself what kind of farmer goes out into the field in a biohazard suit? Not exactly getting back to nature.

People should start asking Bishop Estate and Kamehameha Schools why they are leasing land to these biopharm monsters. KS has billions invested in the market, including those companies so they make money on both sides, but some things are more important than making money. Like food security for instance.

Sorry, I know this is an old thread but I'm killing time waiting for my kid to finish dinner so I can give him a bath.

Not a doomsday, but still a significant event.......probably a tsunami or a hurricane.  It's going to suck if your place of business is damaged and you can't work.  I don't know about you folks but I don't have a savings for 6 months of expenses.......

My wife's boss was without power for one year on Kauai.  When they got ice they saved it for the beer........

My god.....no internet or TV for a year.   17/18 years later must have been the biggest HS graduations on Kauai ever........

I believe that we will see any economic collapse or civil uprising in the mainland before we see it here in Hawaii.  As far as disasters, if California or part of the Big Island falls into the ocean, we are F'ed.  The crack along the Big Island is massive, and there has been some strange shit going on in Cali along the fault lines.  I have roughly 4 months of freeze dried food stored up, but wish I could have more.  I have lots of water, and the ability to filter down to .02 microns if needed.  Plenty of firearms and ammo, but always looking for a way to have more just in case.  My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I keep telling her better safe then sorry.  It's only money, and I can always make more.  If ever we need the things we have stocked up on, we will be ahead of the curve and glad we saved up.  I pray that I will never need any of the things we have, but I prepare for the day that we need them.  I had a 2011 Shelby GT500, and sold it for a 2012 F250 turbo diesel.  The Shelby's wheels would not have gotten very far with zombies stuck in them, the F250 is a beast and will power through anything.   

Yup been having some activity in big island the last few days, lots of small earth quakes.  I agree that a tsunami from the big island is our biggest threat.  Talked to the family about evacuation plans, routes to take, etc, etc.
Financial collapse is also pretty critical, seeing how expensive shit already is here.

Yup been having some activity in big island the last few days, lots of small earth quakes.  I agree that a tsunami from the big island is our biggest threat.  Talked to the family about evacuation plans, routes to take, etc, etc.
Financial collapse is also pretty critical, seeing how expensive shit already is here.

If part of the Big Island falls into the ocean, no time to evacuate.  The estimated wave size is over 1000 feet, grab your board and try to surf it! Hahahaha  If you are on Oahu, Wahiawa is about the highest location you could get to somewhat quickly (1500+ feet). 

well not exactly an evac plan, but most probable places we would be and where would be the best and safest place to head to, as well as meet up times and locations.
And yeah the wave/s would be huge, but at least were one step ahead, and hopefully that will be enough time. 

a thousand!  gatdang I gotta' get a dirt bike again.  luckily higher ground is a straight shot up the road.

a thousand!  gatdang I gotta' get a dirt bike again.  luckily higher ground is a straight shot up the road.

I gots my CR500 ready to go, but that dang 2 stroke gas turns to varnish right quick. Don't think I could make high ground on 1 tank of gas anyway. This is where the F250 comes in, plus it has room for my wife and 2 kids, even if they think I'm crazy.

Yeah, the great crack is a very serious threat. I wish my house was a couple hundred feet higher, but at 850 or so I can hope I won't get smashed. There is a road right next door that goes straight up and if we have a major quake the gran-n-go bags get thrown in the car and up we go. Gotta be quick here, though. Almost no time to react.

Which reminds me that that I have to eat and replace the DIY mre's in the grab-n-go bag and make sure the roommates do the same.

Not likely to happen tomorrow but it ~will~ happen someday.

what's a DIY MRE?

Yeah, the great crack is a very serious threat. I wish my house was a couple hundred feet higher, but at 850 or so I can hope I won't get smashed. There is a road right next door that goes straight up and if we have a major quake the gran-n-go bags get thrown in the car and up we go. Gotta be quick here, though. Almost no time to react.

Which reminds me that that I have to eat and replace the DIY mre's in the grab-n-go bag and make sure the roommates do the same.

Not likely to happen tomorrow but it ~will~ happen someday.

Do It Yourself Meal Ready to Eat

In my case, an indian food packet and accompanying rice packet, pop tarts, instant oat meal, clif bar, clif protein bar, tea or instant coffee packets, a couple paper towels and a toothpick/dental floss thingy. All crammed in a 1 quart ziploc bag.

I spec'd it all out a while ago and with the right indian food packs its enough calories and protein for a day. Fairly easy way to keep 3-5 days of food handy. The drinks and oatmeal require water, of course, but both can be taken cold if need be, as can the rest of the food.

Should prolly throw a snickers bar in, too. For sanity's sake and for a bit of extra calories in we're working hard.

mahalo
it's a great idea

next question- what's an "indian food packet"

Do It Yourself Meal Ready to Eat

In my case, an indian food packet and accompanying rice packet, pop tarts, instant oat meal, clif bar, clif protein bar, tea or instant coffee packets, a couple paper towels and a toothpick/dental floss thingy. All crammed in a 1 quart ziploc bag.

I spec'd it all out a while ago and with the right indian food packs its enough calories and protein for a day. Fairly easy way to keep 3-5 days of food handy. The drinks and oatmeal require water, of course, but both can be taken cold if need be, as can the rest of the food.

Should prolly throw a snickers bar in, too. For sanity's sake and for a bit of extra calories in we're working hard.

http://shop.tastybite.com/Meal-Inspirations/c/TastyBite@MealInspirations

Poke around on that site a bit. "Meal Inspirations" are protein heavy (well, for vegetarian) and relatively dry. "Entrees" are a bit saucier, which makes them a little easier to eat with rice, and tend to have substantially less calories, protein and fiber. Rice is just that: cooked rice. All of it is heat and eat - boil the unopened packet in water - or can be eaten cold.

Depending on the grocery store you can get them just about anywhere. Can almost always find them at health food stores, too. I pounce whenever they are on sale. Been thinking about ordering some of the rice and meals that I don't see locally.

There is another common company "Kitchens of  India", I think. Yummy, but tends to be higher fat, higher sodium and doesn't have as many dairy free options. Just my preference as both are good.

I do wish they made meat options, though. Can't have everything. That's why the Clif protein bar - only way to get near enough protein.

thanks clshade, excellent information here
i usually go for the mountain house, but nice to hear of other options

Any major west coast earthquake that closes ports like Long Beach will cause shortages of fuel and food.  Hopefully they get rid of the Jones Act soon.

Yah, cut off the imported food and we screwed.  Fast food joints will have to add more sawdust or something  

I want some chickens bumbai. 

Pighting Chickens ?