One of the seemingly rare times I fully agree with you on.  No tinfoil needed.

If you agreeing with me, then I know my train of thought is off.  Thanks. JK.

If you agreeing with me, then I know my train of thought is off.  Thanks. JK.

Same thing I say about Trump.

He's hated by all the right people, so he MUST be doing something right!

If you agreeing with me, then I know my train of thought is off.  Thanks. JK.

You think enough to have a train? 😳

 

You think enough to have a train? 😳

 

Just like most threads here, his train has been derailed.   

This law is just designed to go after the dealers not the average drug user on the street.  Arresting him does nothing to stop the drug trade.  Just clogs up prison and wastes all our money.  Just let them overdose and go for the real criminals.

Aka some young people do stupid things and get coke, police stop them.  Throwing them in jail ruins their lives and wastes my money.   And doesn't do anything really beneficial.

I am somewhat with you there because I know that with the laws of supply and demand, as long as you have people wanting the drugs, someone will fill the market of selling it.

What bothers me is that I don't think this will help with crime rate numbers. If people are less afraid to use it and aren't locked up for using it then they may see increase in property crime rates for these users to pay for their habits.

Here's a super radical idea.  If people or the government make the drugs legally they then push out the cartels bringing them in.  Then in turn, pushes out the dealers.  Thus puts them out of business in the USA.  Drug crime goes down, cops are safer, saves money in court cases/police pay/ injury cost/etc...1 downside would be the antihistamine companies and battery companies will lose money.

Why buy from a drug dealer when someone can just go to the store and get better quality stuff for cheaper.  There was a VICE documentary on the Colorado MJ legalization.  Basically the MJ dealers all said they were going out of business.  Some where getting out, others were going to sell harsher drugs.

And anyone besides a minor who is ODing, will not get any treatment from EMT or hospitals.  I say minor because they may ingest the drugs due to their young age and not knowing any better.  An adult made the choice almost all the time.

With a decrease in price it would stand to reason that usage would increase and overdoses would increase. Crime may go down but I am not so sure, we have seen rich celebrities blow fortunes on drugs so I am sure even if heroin were cheap that we would still see people spending all their money and stealing to support their habit.

Marijuana isn't the best analogy though, people not eating peoples faces and doing weird violent stuff on marijuana. The chronic on meth is still going to be a problem and I would bet be a worse problem.

I am somewhat with you there because I know that with the laws of supply and demand, as long as you have people wanting the drugs, someone will fill the market of selling it.

What bothers me is that I don't think this will help with crime rate numbers. If people are less afraid to use it and aren't locked up for using it then they may see increase in property crime rates for these users to pay for their habits.

I believe there was a study in Canada that after legalizing pot,  rates of pot usage amongst teens and young people went down a decent percentage.   There will always be a demand,  unless people stop wanting it.   Go after the source, or better yet legalize the source so you can tax and regulate like beer.  Then no more cartels.

With a decrease in price it would stand to reason that usage would increase and overdoses would increase. Crime may go down but I am not so sure, we have seen rich celebrities blow fortunes on drugs so I am sure even if heroin were cheap that we would still see people spending all their money and stealing to support their habit.

Marijuana isn't the best analogy though, people not eating peoples faces and doing weird violent stuff on marijuana. The chronic on meth is still going to be a problem and I would bet be a worse problem.

Evolution and natural selection will run its course.  Let the idiots die. 

I am somewhat with you there because I know that with the laws of supply and demand, as long as you have people wanting the drugs, someone will fill the market of selling it.

What bothers me is that I don't think this will help with crime rate numbers. If people are less afraid to use it and aren't locked up for using it then they may see increase in property crime rates for these users to pay for their habits.

Also, just like bootleg whisky and cigarettes, the black market will not go away.  It' will just have fewer customers.  Less demand means those still customers of it may pay more (can't get the same quality stuff in that quantity from legal sources).  That means more competition, which equates to more gang violence.

You can never eliminate the underground market.  It's there to serve the people the legal market wont, and to avoid government regulations and taxes.  Passing the savings on to customers makes similar quality black market products attractive, especially for drug addicted users who can't hold down a job!   

I believe there was a study in Canada that after legalizing pot,  rates of pot usage amongst teens and young people went down a decent percentage.   There will always be a demand,  unless people stop wanting it.   Go after the source, or better yet legalize the source so you can tax and regulate like beer.  Then no more cartels.

With the rise in demand for avocados, mexico has seen problems with gangs  strong arming the avocado growers, legalization of marijuana may never completely eliminate the organized crime.

I really don't care about marijuana though, I am still worried about the real hard drugs like meth.

With the rise in demand for avocados, mexico has seen problems with gangs  strong arming the avocado growers, legalization of marijuana may never completely eliminate the organized crime.

I really don't care about marijuana though, I am still worried about the real hard drugs like meth.

Interesting but you still don't see cartels killing each other over avocados.  It might be just a stop gap to slow decline till they eventually pitter out. 

Interesting but you still don't see cartels killing each other over avocados.  It might be just a stop gap to slow decline till they eventually pitter out.

Wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/19-people-have-been-murdered-mexico-cartels-fighting-over-avocado-trade-1453925%3famp=1

Wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/19-people-have-been-murdered-mexico-cartels-fighting-over-avocado-trade-1453925%3famp=1

I stand corrected.  I guess cartels are going to kill regardless until they are killed or lose membership.

Evolution and natural selection will run its course.  Let the idiots die.

As long as it is adults.
One of the few times I mostly agree with you.
I don't accept evolution( it is that complexity thing), but definitely natural selection
is for real.

I stand corrected.  I guess cartels are going to kill regardless until they are killed or lose membership.

It's always amazing to see you adopt a completely different opinion after seeing the honest facts.

I recommend you start looking into the real facts PRIOR TO posting your opinions based on .... stuff you think is true and could have been easily checked using a search engine.

This new approach would save all of us a lot of time and typing -- even you  (More time for bowel movements).

As long as it is adults.
One of the few times I mostly agree with you.
I don't accept evolution( it is that complexity thing), but definitely natural selection
is for real.

I liked the series "1000 Ways to Die."  People put themselves in some of the most unusual situations when it comes to accidental self-destruction -- normally situations which were 100% their choice.  I usually ended each segment with the opinion, "I don't think they thought that all the way through."   

I liked the series "1000 Ways to Die."  People put themselves in some of the most unusual situations when it comes to accidental self-destruction -- normally situations which were 100% their choice.  I usually ended each segment with the opinion, "I don't think they thought that all the way through."   

I didn't watch the whole thing,
I'm data limited and getting close to my monthly allotment.
but the cigarette guy is a classic.
I quit smoking 38 and some years ago, but I know Dakine.
I can never figure it out.  Even emphysema won't stop them.
I quit because Reagan signed into law an additional tax
on cigarettes and it pissed me off.