The COVID Cult (Read 1795666 times)

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2840 on: March 29, 2021, 02:22:56 PM »
It's starting to smell really Bernie Sanders John Brown Gun Club in here.
More of a mixed bag of nuts.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2841 on: March 29, 2021, 03:58:59 PM »
We just went full circle, you're the dumb one.  I said that already.   

God can't protect you only,  yourself, others and the government can.  The government formed by people who decide your rights.  If you don't like it everyone can get together and form a new government.  Rights don't magically appear. They are formed by agreements. 

You just by yourself have only your freewill. That's not rights.   Your freewill can be different than others,  it can even go against others.  Rights are based on central authority.

You argued that without government, there are no rights because WHO ELSE will protect them for you?

Now you realize how stupid you were, and you made a comment to ADD "yourself and others" to government.

Who is "others?"   :crazy:

Show me where you included "yourself" in this quote:

Natural rights needs something to enforce it.  We all can come together and create "natural rights" because we as a society deem it to be.  It can also change over time. But it holds no value without government or society.

Your comment on "rights don't exist magically" is only applicable to legal rights.  Natural rights exist without consensus or approval.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2842 on: March 29, 2021, 04:01:37 PM »
Not quite correct. Because of how taxes work, the poorest in poverty technically got a truly free vaccine as they pay no taxes.  You LIER, FAKE NEWS.  :crazy: :crazy:  The government exists to provide life and liberty for the people, its in the bill of rights.  Your arrogance is hilarious. 

You are technically correct it creates "classes" of people but no restrictions that you can easily join said "elite" class.  This is akin to saying a drivers license creates a class of elitist drivers.  And will cause society to fail.  You do know that an actual passport creates a class of people who can travel abroad.  There are hundreds of examples like these.  That are perfectly accepted.  Its not doomsday. You have to show your ID to buy beer, is that discrimination?  No.  Most discrimination is based on things a person can't change,  sex, race, etc.   You must be vaccinated to go to many schools, is that discrimination?  No.  Stop lying bro.

I am amazed that wearing a mask creates a class of people,  how many classes of people exist in your life?   There are millions of things that are restricted by certain circumstances and we don't all go down the slippery slope.  Anyone can get a vaccine, its not restricted long term.  In the end you can't preach freedom of rights and property.  While also denying people said rights.  Corporations are people and are entitled to their own land and property which they can implement rules.  Much like your own home and car.  If a company can ask you to leave if you don't wear fancy enough clothes, they can ask you to leave for not being vaccinated. This is a basic right of Americans and democracy.  You can't cherry pick rights you want.  You are ignoring this fundamental point. All the potential ramifications in the world shouldn't threaten the basic liberties of Americans. 

You do bring an interesting point with the right to food.  One could argue you have that right, because of the right to life.  Hence essential businesses.
Guess I gotta take you back to school. I never said that vaccines are not free. I said you lied about a free vaccine. Which you did. I said that they are paid for by the taxpayer. Which they are. Which means that vaccines are not free because the taxpayer pays for it. What I said is absolutely true. You are arguing against something I never said nor implied. I also said citizens are free to accept it. I didn’t say only taxpayers can accept it. The vaccine that a citizen who does not pay taxes receives is not free because a taxpayer paid for it. Just because someone receives something from the government without paying taxes does not mean it is free. Someone paid for it somewhere down the line. I told the absolute truth while you, in your immature anger haze argued against something I never said. You are wrong once again. Vaccines are not free because they are paid for by the taxpayer. Welfare is not free. It is paid for by the taxpayer. Welfare is distributed to people who don’t pay taxes in the same vein that vaccines are made available to citizens that don’t pay taxes. But no matter how you want to spin and lie your way out of this, vaccines are paid for by the taxpayer. Period. You cannot argue with the truth. Do you not understand how taxes and wealth redistribution works? There is a lot you need to learn.

I am glad you agree that passports create classes of people. Because classes = discrimination. No ifs and or buts about. Because without discrimination there cannot be separate classes. Sorry, you cannot argue with that one. Once there is one company somewhere that requires you show your passport, ding ding. You have invasion of privacy that leads to discrimination. Cannot argue with that. And last I looked invasion of privacy and discrimination is not legal in our country. And if it is not legal here then passports create the ability to legally force invasion of privacy and then discrimination discriminate assuming the passports are found to be legal. Which I believe they won’t and will be fought. So your baseless claim that there are no restrictions just cannot fly. Because if there are no restrictions allowed then no passport should be issued. You are actually arguing my point for me. The only reason to have a passport is to restrict one class of people over another. Otherwise passports are meaningless and should not be issued as to create the ability of people and companies and government to discriminate against a class of people. So thank you for making my point for me. And I am glad you agree that we should not issue passports because they create classes and thus discrimination.

If you’ll recall at the beginning of the vaccine distribution, the government set up different classes of people. People who have specific jobs could get the vaccine where the rest could not. Certain age groups were told they cannot get the vaccine even if they are at risk due to other conditions when someone less than a year older without those conditions could get the vaccine. Right now no one under 16 or 18 can get the vaccine according to the nurse at my wife’s doctor today. That is discriminating by age. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with this type of discrimination as eventually it will be made available to all. The people who wear masks are allowed access to grocery stores. People who don’t are not allowed the same access. As you said, that is the prerogative of the company. It is still discrimination no matter how you look at it. But they are not allowed to request you divulge your medical condition in order to access their stores. That is invasion of privacy and that is illegal. And that is exactly what a passport is. It is a statement about your medical condition. Same for employers, the government, etc. That is invasion of privacy that is not allowed under the law. But if passports are found to be legal, then the required surrender of that passport will be deemed legal even if it violates our right to privacy. That is why passports should not be allowed as it is a pathway to discrimination by way of privacy invasion. Legal discrimination.

You cannot argue something is a right that is not stated in the constitution or Bill of Rights. You have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But the right to life ends when it comes to how you live your life. That is what it is all about. You can live your life any way you want. You can grow your own food. Trade it with others like how some on the Big Island live. You can live off of others or even pay someone to shop at the grocery stores for you. And you can do curbside pickup at grocery stores these days. Don’t need a mask for that. Or have groceries delivered to you house. If you want to steal food you can do that as well. If you want to buy groceries but refuse to wear a mask then you might have to live off of gas station sushi and 7-11 musubis. But above all you don’t have a right to buy groceries. Like everything else that is not a right in our country, it is a luxury and/or a privilege. Not a right even if the store is considered essential. Under your train of thought, if a grocery store is essential and citizens have the right to buy food at that grocery store, then that grocery store would not have the right to keep those who refuse to wear a mask from entering their store. That is why your right to life ends at how you decide to live your life.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2843 on: March 29, 2021, 04:03:08 PM »
There's this thing called "scope" and "applicability".  When you make an argument, it needs to be within the scope of the issue.  We were talking about Natural / God-given rights.  Now you are arguing about rights that government and society decide exist.

Legal versus natural -- two different types of rights.

#Focus_Moron
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2844 on: March 29, 2021, 04:20:30 PM »
MASSIVE FRAUD!
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2845 on: March 29, 2021, 05:18:20 PM »
You argued that without government, there are no rights because WHO ELSE will protect them for you?

Now you realize how stupid you were, and you made a comment to ADD "yourself and others" to government.

Who is "others?"   :crazy:

Show me where you included "yourself" in this quote:

Your comment on "rights don't exist magically" is only applicable to legal rights.  Natural rights exist without consensus or approval.


Neighbors, friends, family.  ETC not going to name every single person who would come to aid.  Though I have a feeling your list would be short.

You are confusing rights with freewill.  You have free will.  Rights are gained when valued and upheld by others.  People that are not you and agree to value the same/similar rules/rights.

There's this thing called "scope" and "applicability".  When you make an argument, it needs to be within the scope of the issue.  We were talking about Natural / God-given rights.  Now you are arguing about rights that government and society decide exist.

Legal versus natural -- two different types of rights.

#Focus_Moron


God can't give you rights if he won't enforce or protect you from them.  If you have the right to live and someone believes they have the right to kill you.  Who wins?  Who is correct?  Who decides what gets to happen?

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2846 on: March 29, 2021, 05:28:08 PM »

Neighbors, friends, family.  ETC not going to name every single person who would come to aid.  Though I have a feeling your list would be short.

You are confusing rights with freewill.  You have free will.  Rights are gained when valued and upheld by others.  People that are not you and agree to value the same/similar rules/rights.


God can't give you rights if he won't enforce or protect you from them.  If you have the right to live and someone believes they have the right to kill you.  Who wins?  Who is correct?  Who decides what gets to happen?

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How can you alone justify morality?  A group of people, a government, hell even a religion defines morality and rights.

Hopeless.

So if you can't or won't fight for your rights, and nobody else will do it for you, do the rights cease to exist, or are they still present -- just being violated?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2847 on: March 29, 2021, 05:31:08 PM »

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How can you alone justify morality?  A group of people, a government, hell even a religion defines morality and rights.

Did you just post the definition of "right" as an adjeective?   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This whole time, we've been talking about a NOUN -- whether or not rights exist.  A "thing", not a qualifier or descriptive word.

O - M - G !!   :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2848 on: March 29, 2021, 05:33:55 PM »
Guess I gotta take you back to school. I never said that vaccines are not free. I said you lied about a free vaccine. Which you did. I said that they are paid for by the taxpayer. Which they are. Which means that vaccines are not free because the taxpayer pays for it. What I said is absolutely true. You are arguing against something I never said nor implied. I also said citizens are free to accept it. I didn’t say only taxpayers can accept it. The vaccine that a citizen who does not pay taxes receives is not free because a taxpayer paid for it. Just because someone receives something from the government without paying taxes does not mean it is free. Someone paid for it somewhere down the line. I told the absolute truth while you, in your immature anger haze argued against something I never said. You are wrong once again. Vaccines are not free because they are paid for by the taxpayer. Welfare is not free. It is paid for by the taxpayer. Welfare is distributed to people who don’t pay taxes in the same vein that vaccines are made available to citizens that don’t pay taxes. But no matter how you want to spin and lie your way out of this, vaccines are paid for by the taxpayer. Period. You cannot argue with the truth. Do you not understand how taxes and wealth redistribution works? There is a lot you need to learn.

I am glad you agree that passports create classes of people. Because classes = discrimination. No ifs and or buts about. Because without discrimination there cannot be separate classes. Sorry, you cannot argue with that one. Once there is one company somewhere that requires you show your passport, ding ding. You have invasion of privacy that leads to discrimination. Cannot argue with that. And last I looked invasion of privacy and discrimination is not legal in our country. And if it is not legal here then passports create the ability to legally force invasion of privacy and then discrimination discriminate assuming the passports are found to be legal. Which I believe they won’t and will be fought. So your baseless claim that there are no restrictions just cannot fly. Because if there are no restrictions allowed then no passport should be issued. You are actually arguing my point for me. The only reason to have a passport is to restrict one class of people over another. Otherwise passports are meaningless and should not be issued as to create the ability of people and companies and government to discriminate against a class of people. So thank you for making my point for me. And I am glad you agree that we should not issue passports because they create classes and thus discrimination.

If you’ll recall at the beginning of the vaccine distribution, the government set up different classes of people. People who have specific jobs could get the vaccine where the rest could not. Certain age groups were told they cannot get the vaccine even if they are at risk due to other conditions when someone less than a year older without those conditions could get the vaccine. Right now no one under 16 or 18 can get the vaccine according to the nurse at my wife’s doctor today. That is discriminating by age. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with this type of discrimination as eventually it will be made available to all. The people who wear masks are allowed access to grocery stores. People who don’t are not allowed the same access. As you said, that is the prerogative of the company. It is still discrimination no matter how you look at it. But they are not allowed to request you divulge your medical condition in order to access their stores. That is invasion of privacy and that is illegal. And that is exactly what a passport is. It is a statement about your medical condition. Same for employers, the government, etc. That is invasion of privacy that is not allowed under the law. But if passports are found to be legal, then the required surrender of that passport will be deemed legal even if it violates our right to privacy. That is why passports should not be allowed as it is a pathway to discrimination by way of privacy invasion. Legal discrimination.

You cannot argue something is a right that is not stated in the constitution or Bill of Rights. You have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But the right to life ends when it comes to how you live your life. That is what it is all about. You can live your life any way you want. You can grow your own food. Trade it with others like how some on the Big Island live. You can live off of others or even pay someone to shop at the grocery stores for you. And you can do curbside pickup at grocery stores these days. Don’t need a mask for that. Or have groceries delivered to you house. If you want to steal food you can do that as well. If you want to buy groceries but refuse to wear a mask then you might have to live off of gas station sushi and 7-11 musubis. But above all you don’t have a right to buy groceries. Like everything else that is not a right in our country, it is a luxury and/or a privilege. Not a right even if the store is considered essential. Under your train of thought, if a grocery store is essential and citizens have the right to buy food at that grocery store, then that grocery store would not have the right to keep those who refuse to wear a mask from entering their store. That is why your right to life ends at how you decide to live your life.

I was talking about being free of cost for the people getting the shot.  They do not need to technically pay for it.  No cash on hand needed, so there is no monetary discrimination of obstacles to get the shot.  Its all about availability, not wealth redistribution.  Wealth redistribution is stupid but that's another topic.

If you believe passports are discrimination and should be stopped how do you prove you are a citizen?  Are you pro open borders?   How deep does it go?  Do drivers licenses and the requirement to prove your age to get into certain venues and buy certain products count as discrimination?

I do agree privacy is important, but so is practicality and enforcing laws and rules.  Along with safety and a functioning society and country. How do you enforce something if you can't find any information out on a person. What's their immigration status?  Are they a criminal?  Would you let someone who refused a background check be in the military, or teach your children?

Interesting concept.  Wouldn't that fall into discrimination, denying someone food?  What if every food source refuses to do business with you, are you supposed to accept death?  Do you not have the right to life?  You can have the right to food, but still be refused entry into a store.  They can deliver food to your car.  Where does your rights to not wear a mask overpower someone's rights to not be potentially infected?  There's a lot of gray overlapping issues with the subject. There should be a compromise of both peoples rights.  The one who wants to shop and the one who owns the shop.  If the shop wishes to deny a non mask wearing individual they must make sure they still have the ability to get essential goods to survive.  Either curb side or if that individual has access to essential goods in another way.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2849 on: March 29, 2021, 05:35:48 PM »
Did you just post the definition of "right" as an adjeective?   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This whole time, we've been talking about a NOUN -- whether or not rights exist.  A "thing", not a qualifier or descriptive word.

O - M - G !!   :wacko:


Similar shit bro.  Sorry I didnt fully copy and paste for you.

right adjective
English Language Learners Definition of right (Entry 1 of 4)
: morally or socially correct or acceptable
: agreeing with the facts or truth : accurate or correct
: speaking, acting, or judging in a way that agrees with the facts or truth
right noun
English Language Learners Definition of right (Entry 2 of 4)
: behavior that is morally good or correct
: something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do
: the legal authority to reproduce, publish, broadcast, or sell something

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2850 on: March 29, 2021, 05:37:04 PM »
Arguing technicalities is a Liberal tactic to avoid the TRUTH.

Not only is SOMEONE paying for the shots, but it's in the form of MASSIVE DEBT.  Our children, grandchildren and great grand children will be saddled with paying for everyone.

But, for the selfish among us, they will be happy to call it "free," no matter the future cost to the country.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2851 on: March 29, 2021, 05:37:12 PM »
Hopeless.

So if you can't or won't fight for your rights, and nobody else will do it for you, do the rights cease to exist, or are they still present -- just being violated?

They cease to exist. Until they are "invented" and enforced then its being violated in retrospect.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2852 on: March 29, 2021, 05:38:03 PM »

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2853 on: March 29, 2021, 05:38:22 PM »
Arguing technicalities is a Liberal tactic to avoid the TRUTH.

Not only is SOMEONE paying for the shots, but it's in the form of MASSIVE DEBT.  Our children, grandchildren and great grand children will be saddled with paying for everyone.

But, for the selfish among us, they will be happy to call it "free," no matter the future cost to the country.

From the one who argues technicalities all the time.   :rofl: :rofl:

Compared to other shit the government wastes its money on the shots are a drop in the bucket.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2854 on: March 29, 2021, 05:39:30 PM »

Similar shit bro.  Sorry I didnt fully copy and paste for you.

right adjective
English Language Learners Definition of right (Entry 1 of 4)
: morally or socially correct or acceptable
: agreeing with the facts or truth : accurate or correct
: speaking, acting, or judging in a way that agrees with the facts or truth
right noun
English Language Learners Definition of right (Entry 2 of 4)
: behavior that is morally good or correct
: something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do
: the legal authority to reproduce, publish, broadcast, or sell something

You aren't doing shit for me, "bro".

And don't call me that.  I'm old enough to be your father -- and sometimes I wish I were, so could punch your mama in the mouth.  There is no way in hell you sprang from my loins!   :geekdanc:

"something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do"

Thanks for proving what I said:  LEGAL rights are not the same as NATURAL rights.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2021, 06:35:57 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2855 on: March 29, 2021, 05:41:05 PM »
From the one who argues technicalities all the time.   :rofl: :rofl:

Compared to other shit the government wastes its money on the shots are a drop in the bucket.

More Liberal rationalization.  Never capable of being the adults we need running the country.

Always living in the "now" with no concern about the future -- unless it's about the Climate Change hoax.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2021, 06:34:41 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2856 on: March 29, 2021, 05:45:26 PM »

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2857 on: March 29, 2021, 05:50:59 PM »

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2858 on: March 29, 2021, 05:54:33 PM »

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #2859 on: March 29, 2021, 05:58:21 PM »