How do I know which people are willing participants in the Covid Cult? They are the ones sucking up to the science religion. They are the ones that naively blame COVID-19 for losing their job, for losing their business, for not being able to go to the bar or the gym. They are the ones that are trying and shut someone up by saying we the people have a responsibility to not go out, or that we have to wear masks or both because we are responsible for infecting others. None of this is true of course. What is true is that COVID-19 has not caused any of what I mentioned above. People have caused the loss of job. People have caused one to not have the ability to go to the bar or the gym. People have caused the loss of small and large businesses. Not the virus. It is how we are reacting to the virus that has caused all this. And it is the fear of this virus that the main stream media is making worse by their constant and rhetorical fear mongering that have brainwashed people to look on the wrong side of things. How can one truly blame a virus when your governor locked you down? How can you blame the virus for not being able to go to the bar or gym when your politicians are the ones that shut them down? How can you blame one another for infecting you when you made the conscious decision to go out and take that risk. People need to start taking responsibilities for themselves and quit trying to blame others for their own decisions. If you want to go out and risk getting infected, go. If you want to stay in and reduce the risk and quarantine the rest of your life, go right ahead. That is true freedom. What is not true freedom is allowing your politicians to control your movements and your decisions in your life. Wear a mask if you so choose. Don’t wear one if you choose. That is real freedom.

I can’t speak for the rest of you. But I can speak for myself. And I choose freedom. And I choose to live my life on my terms. Not someone else’s. I choose not to wear a mask when I choose not to and I choose to wear a mask when I do. I choose to go out and live my life the way I want. I won’t allow any politician or Mask Karen to try and tell me I am responsible for others. I am not. I am only responsible for myself. And I choose to live.

well said.

Think about where the science communities get their funding for research. 

Universities like and rely on big companies like Google and a lot of foundations because they give them grant money for research. 

So there will be a bias.

Very true. There is always a bias in science. And there is no such thing as “Settled Science”. That is a cancel culture term.

Follow the money is pretty much where you will find most of the truth.

I would totally do the bet, covid fucked me over though no gym for 9 months...all my gains gone.

that's not what you said at the time...

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/serosurvey-mumbai-slum-antibodies-coronavirus-1745303-2020-11-30
but i thought 2-3% of them were gonna die??

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/serosurvey-mumbai-slum-antibodies-coronavirus-1745303-2020-11-30
but i thought 2-3% of them were gonna die??

No one here would think that way? 

I still think Sweden is doing things right.

They seem to know from the beginning that:

Total lockdowns do not work.

Trust in the people to do the right thing as far as eliminating the spread of disease.

Protect the elders and the vulnerable.

And most importantly, that we have only one life and people need to live.  Not just exist.

Very true. There is always a bias in science. And there is no such thing as “Settled Science”. That is a cancel culture term.

Follow the money is pretty much where you will find most of the truth.

Very TRUE!
I once took a class in Experimental Physics and Industrial Control Systems(EPICS)
I think I was the least educated guy in the class, most everybody there had PHD's.
from all over the world.
My lab partner was an Astronomy Post Doc, staff observer from an observatory in
Australia.
At one lunch, I heard one of the instructors a UC Berkeley Tenured Physics professor bragging
about how they "Tweaked" a grant request to get Reagan "Star wars" grant money
to develop EPICS, which was not particularly useful for defense
systems, but fantastic for running Linear Accelerators, observatories, and factories.
I'm surprised I still have a tongue.
It is all smoke and mirrors and that clique sticks together like cops do.
You would think one of the most apolitical person in the world is a Physics
scientist/professor.
Not only did I learn EPICs. I also learned to REALLY question everything.
Shop long enough and you can find an engineer, scientist, judge, et al that will
support your view or cause.

I would totally do the bet, covid fucked me over though no gym for 9 months...all my gains gone.

Pushup challenge vs Mac then?  :hmm:

Pushup challenge vs Mac then?  :hmm:

#OmniWomble already is giving excuses as to why he won’t take the bet... It’s all COVID’s fault. It’s always something other than himself taking responsibility. COVID is nothing more than an excuse.

#OmniWomble already is giving excuses as to why he won’t take the bet... It’s all COVID’s fault. It’s always something other than himself taking responsibility. COVID is nothing more than an excuse.

 
Man you live in some fantasy ass world. Please tell me how I could keep weightlifting with all the gyms closed.  Used to go kaakako fitness for 1-2hrs every day.  FYI i don't have home gym. 

I still think Sweden is doing things right.

They seem to know from the beginning that:

Total lockdowns do not work.

Trust in the people to do the right thing as far as eliminating the spread of disease.

Protect the elders and the vulnerable.

And most importantly, that we have only one life and people need to live.  Not just exist.

Sweden has publically said they made the wrong choice.   And try telling that to someone who is about to cease to exist. Or their family who has some loved one who does not exist anymore.

Man you live in some fantasy ass world. Please tell me how I could keep weightlifting with all the gyms closed.  Used to go kaakako fitness for 1-2hrs every day.  FYI i don't have home gym.

Uhh, pushups, pull ups, etc.  :facepalm:

Oh lord. . . how did men evolve to be strong physically without kaakako fitness, 24 hr fitness, etc for all those years. . . oh the struggle. . .

Uhh, pushups, pull ups, etc.  :facepalm:

Oh lord. . . how did men evolve to be strong physically without kaakako fitness, 24 hr fitness, etc for all those years. . . oh the struggle. . .

He is SUPER DUPER IT MAN and he can’t figure out he doesn’t need a gym to keep fit. He can’t even go onto YouTube to see how the rest of the world is dealing with not having a gym at their disposal. #OmniWomble

Uhh, pushups, pull ups, etc.  :facepalm:

Oh lord. . . how did men evolve to be strong physically without kaakako fitness, 24 hr fitness, etc for all those years. . . oh the struggle. . .

Just did a DDG search:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how%20to%20workout%20at%20home&ia=web

Man you live in some fantasy ass world. Please tell me how I could keep weightlifting with all the gyms closed.  Used to go kaakako fitness for 1-2hrs every day.  FYI i don't have home gym.

 

Is that anywhere near Kakaako?

He is SUPER DUPER IT MAN and he can’t figure out he doesn’t need a gym to keep fit. He can’t even go onto YouTube to see how the rest of the world is dealing with not having a gym at their disposal. #OmniWomble

I've been pretty much a desk jockey for a while, but even after my back surgery and COVID, I've managed to stay somewhat in shape.  I mean not as much as I would have liked to have been prior to my surgery, but where there's the priority, one will find a way.  No excuses, just do it. . .

Man you live in some fantasy ass world. Please tell me how I could keep weightlifting with all the gyms closed.  Used to go kaakako fitness for 1-2hrs every day.  FYI i don't have home gym.

Do it prison style,
Bags of water are heavy.
Push ups, sit ups, squats
can all be done in a very small area.

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/serosurvey-mumbai-slum-antibodies-coronavirus-1745303-2020-11-30
but i thought 2-3% of them were gonna die??

Love that it has no mention of deaths....

Sweden has publically said they made the wrong choice.   And try telling that to someone who is about to cease to exist. Or their family who has some loved one who does not exist anymore.

What I admire about the Swedish gov't is their commitment to battling the pandemic while trying to have people live their lives.

They still have not committed to a total lockdown.  They still feel that keeping the public informed and aware of current circumstances is enough for the people to use good judgement to protect themselves, their loved ones and fellow citizens.

That doesn't mean people will not get infected.  Some will get sick and die.  The majority will recover.  But these people have been given a choice.  They have the freedom to either stay low at home or not.  It's amazing to me that Sweden is doing what a "free " nation like the US is not doing.

They treat their citizens like adults.  Not children.  There will always be the irresponsible assholes that don't treat the virus seriously.  But the overwhelming majority of people do know how to act and how to treat the virus responsibly.

Just don't disrespect them by treating them like children and forcing them to do things.  That's when you get the middle finger as a response.

So yeah, Sweden is no fairy tale ending as far as the pandemic goes.  Will they go to a full lockdown?  I don't think so.  I don't think any country has to.  Just put out the fires where the fires start.  That's all.  It's been about 10 months and Sweden has been a roller coaster ride as far as infection spikes.  Right now the infections are spiking so they identify the hot spots and fight the fire. 

And life goes on.   No wringing of hands and wailing that the end of the world is on hand.

I wish I could say that about Hawaii and the US as a whole.

Oh and about telling what(?) to the someone about to cease to exist or to a family who loses one to the virus.  What do I tell them?  Nothing.  Why should I tell them anything?

Again, like anything else.  We are free to make choices.  It is called living.  Life.  We drive cars that we can die in.  We can get hit crossing the street.  We can get hit by a bus, a fallen tree, get shot by a madman, fall and hit our head, drown in the public toilet, choke on a spam musubi, and the list goes on and on.

And please don't say one has the right to not catch the virus because everyone has the right to live their life in freedom and the pursuit of happiness.  Even if it means risking getting infected with the virus.

 

Man you live in some fantasy ass world. Please tell me how I could keep weightlifting with all the gyms closed.  Used to go kaakako fitness for 1-2hrs every day.  FYI i don't have home gym.

The gyms are not all closed.  In March yes, they all closed, but almost all reopened in June.  Then closed again in August or so and almost all reopened when we hit Tier 2 back in September.

There were even some that opened in Tier 1 because they set up equipment outdoors. Like 24 Hr Pearl Kai and Flex Fitness (Dole Cannery).

During the 1st lockdown in March, everyone did what they could at home.  Lots of people bought what weights were available and made due.  Others just did body weight stuff like push ups and hand stand shoulder presses, curing 20lbs bag rice, etc...