The COVID Cult (Read 1503810 times)

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #840 on: December 14, 2020, 06:04:16 PM »
Say no to Bill Gates. I'm loving Ubuntu and Linux Mint. Same stuff different perception of reality...
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MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #841 on: December 14, 2020, 06:25:48 PM »
Say no to Bill Gates. I'm loving Ubuntu and Linux Mint. Same stuff different perception of reality...
Got mint on one of my laptops. Win 7 on my main box, won't go past that on purpose.
Anything past win 7 will give you covid.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

omnigun

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #843 on: December 14, 2020, 08:39:01 PM »
Bullshit.

Do some actual research.  Microsoft was not the best product, not by a long shot.  CPM was far superior.  MS had limitations that gave installers and users royal fits, such as the 64K main memory limit, 8-bit words, and a plethora of peripheral problems when it came to getting drivers to work.  Do you know how long it took for MS to support color graphics, a graphical user environment, or even SOUND (other than beeps)?  It took years after Apple had already been marketing all of that.

Bill Gates built an empire because (1) he figured out how to leverage "licensing" versus "purchasing" of his software, and (2) he negotiated exclusive contracts with PC manufacturers and builders to include MS DOS on ALL PCs they sold -- at a huge discount -- regardless of any other O/S's they installed, essentially blocking "better" O/S's from the market.  Who is going to pay for MS DOS AND another O/S at a higher total cost per unit?

Gate's springboard to the big time was when IBM asked to get his DOS for their PC line.  The kicker was they also needed the BASIC compiler to go with it, but Bill didn't own it.  After trying to negotiate with the BASIC designer (and his wife), the IBM execs asked Bill to write his own version of the compiler, which he did.  It was LICENSED as "PC DOS" and lead the market for home and business PCs.  Two years later, Bill started marketing MS DOS to compete with PC DOS, and IBM sued.  Turns out, IBM didn't understand what "licensed" versus "owned" meant.  Once the 2 year exclusive license expired, MS was free to use the same DOS base and compete.  For a long time, most places offered your choice of PC DOS or MS DOS, since they were almost identical except for a few command syntaxes or names.

Then, Gates started licensing his MS DOS as I said above, so it was required to be on every PC sold.  That pretty much gave him exclusive access to the PC-clone market.  Only IBM-branded PCs came with PC DOS.

When Windows 3.0 was released, it SUCKED OUT LOUD.  Nobody used it unless they had a critical application that required it.  Otherwise, we all used DOS or Macs.

Then Win 3.1 was released and was deemed "useable."  It was still DOS with a GUI frontend, but at least new Windows apps actually ran on it.  When Windows 3.1 came out, Bill Gates privately said that it would have failed had it not been the most pirated piece of software in history (at that point).  Once everyone had a legal or illegal version of Windows, they were locked into using Windows-compatible applications, like MS Office apps. 

I was an IT professional during this whole part of MS's growth.  I understand you have no knowledge of the reality of how Bill Gates built his empire.  Your opinions are just wrong.  Do more reading and less typing.  I recommend you watch a documentary or two. 

Gates was a good programmer, but he was a genius at marketing and creating a software licensing empire.
Varsity IT vs. JV IT. Nuff said

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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #844 on: December 14, 2020, 08:44:03 PM »
Just wear a mask you selfish grandma killer! And keep your business closed. And we can't let kids go to school. And no holiday celebrations!

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #845 on: December 14, 2020, 08:54:37 PM »
Just wear a mask you selfish grandma killer! And keep your business closed. And we can't let kids go to school. And no holiday celebrations!



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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #846 on: December 14, 2020, 09:38:51 PM »

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #847 on: December 14, 2020, 10:12:46 PM »
Deeds Not Words

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #848 on: December 14, 2020, 10:18:35 PM »
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #849 on: December 14, 2020, 10:22:42 PM »
Varsity IT vs. JV IT. Nuff said

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Yeah by the time I was born all that was worked out and Microsoft was good.  So I only know how good Microsoft is. 

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #850 on: December 14, 2020, 10:27:52 PM »
This site has a nicer layout. Not as good as CNN but hey.
https://thenewamerican.com/bill-gates-blasted-as-vaccine-criminal-in-italian-parliament/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/5431664
Gates foundation contributes to UNICEF which pushed the VAX.

Interesting reads, but still highly skeptical.  Africa needs less kids but the evil grand plan of bill gates, just doesn't make sense.  To jeopardize belief in vaccines for such a goal.  And there has been actual success of mass vaccinations.  Also Africa's and India's population is still growing if this was his plan clearly its not working.  I would say a decent amount of the population has already been vaccinated in some form or another.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #851 on: December 14, 2020, 10:48:32 PM »
Yeah by the time I was born all that was worked out and Microsoft was good.  So I only know how good Microsoft is.

That's not what you said.  You said, "They built the better product."  You did not say "Microsoft is good."  Suddenly, you don't think they are better?

There has never been a MS O/S that could keep up with any of the flavors of UNIX.  With the advent of Linux being open source, and Red Hat becoming a commercial version, MS has been competing as a workstation O/S and home PC platform, but servers have been running *NIX for decades.

I had to reboot all of my Windows servers at work before they'd been up for 4 days, or they were subject to freezing.  Known issue.  To have to reboot 24/7/365 operational servers is not a minor inconvenience. 

At the same time, our administrative HPUX machine had been up for 5 years without a reboot.  As long as the OS didn't need to be reinstalled, and updates could be applied by simply restarting the processes affected, it could have (could of?   :rofl:) stayed up indefinitely or until the hardware or power failed.

Windows is not "better".  It's just what people are forced to use at work or are comfortable with at home and school.  Plenty of people today are using Mac and Linux as their primary machines while running Windows in a VM for compatibility.  The REAL IT people hate MS windows, but I'm sure it's all you know how to use.

Please prove me wrong by listing all your real world operational experience with *NIX O/S systems.

I wonder if you realize that more servers that comprise "The Cloud," which you are such an expert in, are running Linux or a Linux-based virtualization (bare metal) application.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #852 on: December 15, 2020, 01:19:12 AM »
Interesting reads, but still highly skeptical.  Africa needs less kids but the evil grand plan of bill gates, just doesn't make sense.  To jeopardize belief in vaccines for such a goal.  And there has been actual success of mass vaccinations.  Also Africa's and India's population is still growing if this was his plan clearly its not working.  I would say a decent amount of the population has already been vaccinated in some form or another.
I'm getting the distinct Impression that nothing would satisfy you.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #853 on: December 15, 2020, 02:26:24 AM »
I'm getting the distinct Impression that nothing would satisfy you.

 :rofl: like a bad date that never ends
Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #854 on: December 15, 2020, 02:54:09 AM »
That's not what you said.  You said, "They built the better product."  You did not say "Microsoft is good."  Suddenly, you don't think they are better?

There has never been a MS O/S that could keep up with any of the flavors of UNIX.  With the advent of Linux being open source, and Red Hat becoming a commercial version, MS has been competing as a workstation O/S and home PC platform, but servers have been running *NIX for decades.

I had to reboot all of my Windows servers at work before they'd been up for 4 days, or they were subject to freezing.  Known issue.  To have to reboot 24/7/365 operational servers is not a minor inconvenience. 

At the same time, our administrative HPUX machine had been up for 5 years without a reboot.  As long as the OS didn't need to be reinstalled, and updates could be applied by simply restarting the processes affected, it could have (could of?   :rofl:) stayed up indefinitely or until the hardware or power failed.

Windows is not "better".  It's just what people are forced to use at work or are comfortable with at home and school.  Plenty of people today are using Mac and Linux as their primary machines while running Windows in a VM for compatibility.  The REAL IT people hate MS windows, but I'm sure it's all you know how to use.

Please prove me wrong by listing all your real world operational experience with *NIX O/S systems.

I wonder if you realize that more servers that comprise "The Cloud," which you are such an expert in, are running Linux or a Linux-based virtualization (bare metal) application.
I worked in IT from 1996-2008. I worked for Cisco, Emulex and Qlogic. And a couple of start-ups that went under. So this was during the magical period of Sun Microsystems Servers and their SunOS UNIX. That’s all Cisco used during my stint with them. Of course we had to install Novell NetWare and Windows Server and whatever flavor of desktop for compatibility testing. After I started in SAN’s then we had to install AIX, HP/UX, and later SCO UNIX. By the time I was near the end of my career Apple was trying to break into the server market with their servers. Linux of course was still mostly open sourced with Red Hat becoming the commercial grade Linux for servers and eventually desktops. Of all the different flavors of server OS out there I would say AIX and HP/UX were the most stabile and rarely required a reboot for patches. But they were the most archaic of the UNIX flavors I worked with. Sun was my favorite. They had a great team of software gurus that kept their OS ahead of the pack. And their hardware was terrific as well. They would come visit often since Cisco was one of their biggest customers. I would also train them on whatever software products we released at the time.

Windows Server was a piece of crap. Especially in the stability department. Even the user interface, one had to switch back and forth between a GUI and command line to configure the server. What the hell is that? Very poorly written software and reboots were often and crashes were common. And installing patches which were released quite regularly caused reboots and crashes. Even major updates to SunOS did not always require a reboot. The other problem with Windows and Server products is that they are designed to run on any platform. Which means MS has to write the code as a jack of all trades master of none. Where Linux shined. It always worked on whatever server hardware platform it was loaded onto. That is why real server farms use Linux. Windows always appeared to me to be a patched and cobbled together piece of crap. While I am sure Windows has gotten better since I last touched a Windows server, I would honestly take a Linux server over a Windows server any day of the week. JMHO
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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #855 on: December 15, 2020, 06:16:18 AM »
That's not what you said.  You said, "They built the better product."  You did not say "Microsoft is good."  Suddenly, you don't think they are better?

There has never been a MS O/S that could keep up with any of the flavors of UNIX.  With the advent of Linux being open source, and Red Hat becoming a commercial version, MS has been competing as a workstation O/S and home PC platform, but servers have been running *NIX for decades.

I had to reboot all of my Windows servers at work before they'd been up for 4 days, or they were subject to freezing.  Known issue.  To have to reboot 24/7/365 operational servers is not a minor inconvenience. 

At the same time, our administrative HPUX machine had been up for 5 years without a reboot.  As long as the OS didn't need to be reinstalled, and updates could be applied by simply restarting the processes affected, it could have (could of?   :rofl:) stayed up indefinitely or until the hardware or power failed.

Windows is not "better".  It's just what people are forced to use at work or are comfortable with at home and school.  Plenty of people today are using Mac and Linux as their primary machines while running Windows in a VM for compatibility.  The REAL IT people hate MS windows, but I'm sure it's all you know how to use.

Please prove me wrong by listing all your real world operational experience with *NIX O/S systems.

I wonder if you realize that more servers that comprise "The Cloud," which you are such an expert in, are running Linux or a Linux-based virtualization (bare metal) application.

Sigh ok Microsoft is a good product.  I'll be specific.   Microsoft windows for PC is a good product.  Though servers isn't exactly always horrible, it has a purpose.  I do prefer Linux in the server market. You all have the right options on that,  though windows server has appeared to come a long way from back then.  I run over 200 servers.  A decent amount windows.   

Pc Linux is good,  don't get me wrong but not user friendly or wide amounts of compatibility.   Mac is limited as well.  But in the end it might just come down to personal opinion.   Just like how I and others believe Android is superior to Apple. 

I've used Linux and Apple.  I prefer windows for the amount of compatibility for games and programs. Microsoft isn't always the best product i believe AWS cloud is better than Azure. It comes down to use case. I would never be able to not use windows, all the games I play require it.   Until the day it doesn't I will still believe it's superior to the others. 
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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #856 on: December 15, 2020, 06:19:55 AM »
I'm getting the distinct Impression that nothing would satisfy you.

Not really get a conviction in court and you are set.   Or have majority opinion of respectable sources .   Like a consensus of scientists,  doctors,  reporters, etc.  Those are my two main ways I satisfy my truths.

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #857 on: December 15, 2020, 06:43:24 AM »
I'm getting the distinct Impression that nothing would satisfy you.
Whatever gave you that idea? Open minded that the brain falls out.

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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #858 on: December 15, 2020, 07:31:21 AM »
Love seeing the Safety Cult members tying themselves in rhetorical knots (aka logical fallacies, contradictions, and preposterous hypotheticals) attempting to explain away the clear fact that masks have nothing to do with the rate or extent of viral transmission. Highly recommend this article having enough charts to convince any rational person capable of reasoning that masks don't work.

Post-Thanksgiving mask charts: Still no evidence that masks work

https://rationalground.com/post-thanksgiving-mask-charts-still-no-evidence-that-masks-work/

Here are just a few examples:









punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #859 on: December 15, 2020, 07:51:37 AM »
Oh, come on man... everyone knows Target and Walmart are more important and "essential" than a house of worship! It's right there in the Constitution.. wait, it'll just take me a while to find that paragraph...

Justices side with religious challenges to health limits in Colorado, New Jersey

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/530264-justices-side-with-colorado-new-jersey-church-challenge-to-health-restrictions?amp

The Supreme Court on Tuesday sided with religious groups in Colorado and New Jersey that sought carve-outs from their state's COVID-19 limits, the latest in a series of recent orders favoring religious challengers to health restrictions.

The court ruled 6-3 in favor of a Colorado church that sought an exemption from state health orders. The ruling broke along familiar ideological lines, with the court's six more conservative justices backing the church's bid over a dissent by the three liberals.

Justice Elena Kagan, joined by Justices Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor, argued in a dissent that the case should be considered moot because Colorado has already lifted its attendance restrictions at places of worship.

"Absent our issuing different guidance, there is no reason to think Colorado will reverse course [haha... like these idiot Democrat governors haven't changed the Cult rules half a dozen times already...] - and so no reason to think Harvest Church will again face capacity limits," Kagan wrote.

In a second case, the court sided with a New Jersey reverend and rabbi who sued over health orders put in place by Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy and state officials that imposed capacity limits at places of worship. There were no noted dissents from that ruling.

In both cases, the justices ordered the lower courts to decide the disputes in line with a 5-4 ruling they issued on Thanksgiving eve in a New York lawsuit. That case saw the court bar authorities from enforcing attendance restrictions at churches and synagogues that New York had put in place to slow the spread of COVID-19.

The legal rationale behind the recent rulings is that limits on gatherings at houses of worship cannot be more restrictive than those placed on businesses that governments have deemed essential. Critics say [The Hill's way of editorializing] the recent rulings favoring religious carve-outs point to an alarming trend of the conservative justices substituting their own judgment for that of public health experts [as if the public health "experts" haven't already been wrong almost all the time].