The COVID Cult (Read 1793464 times)

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8780 on: October 19, 2021, 03:53:22 PM »
No, you're wrong! 

Oops, sorry.  Wrong thread. . .  :rofl:
Two wongs don't make a wright

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ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8781 on: October 19, 2021, 03:59:08 PM »
Waycist!
Deeds Not Words

aieahound

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8782 on: October 19, 2021, 05:55:35 PM »
my people prefer "it"

You people ? What do mean you people ?

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8783 on: October 19, 2021, 09:29:53 PM »
While you were gone, someone here stated that lotteries work. That's the running joke.

Lotteries did work.  That website offered no proof they didn't work....

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8784 on: October 19, 2021, 09:38:00 PM »
Two wongs don't make a wright

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those were my classmates from _____ high school....
We used to cruise Waiks and hang out Zippys McCully.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8785 on: October 19, 2021, 09:45:24 PM »
Study: 17 States Spent $89M On COVID Cash Bribes - and They Didn't Work

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/study-17-states-spent-89m-covid-cash-bribes-and-they-didnt-work

I just read this.  Looks like the government wasting tax payer money to push an agenda failed .... again.  This is the new Cash-For-Clunkers!   :rofl: :rofl:

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From million-dollar lotteries to gun giveaways and car raffles, states and localities across
the country have pulled out all the stops to entice hesitant citizens to get the COVID vaccine.

In fact, when it comes to simply handing out cash for jabs, they pulled out about $89 million
in stops, to be exact.

That's according to a recent study by JAMA Health Forum that showed that despite 17 states
spending nearly $90 million on COVID cash bribes and incentive programs, none of those
proverbial carrots seemed to move the needle on vaccine rates.

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There were 37.2 million first doses of COVID-19 vaccine administered in the United States
between April 28 and July 1, 2021, including 19.2 million in states that announced cash
drawings. Ordinary least squares estimates of the difference-in-differences model are summarized
in the Table. Estimates of the association between an announcement and vaccination rates were
very small in magnitude and statistically indistinguishable from zero. For example, for first doses,
the adjusted regression estimate was −0.06 (95% CI, −0.43 to 0.30) daily vaccinations per 1000
population.

This finding was reinforced by the event-time estimates plotted in the Figure.3 No statistically
significant association was detected between a cash-drawing announcement and the number of
vaccinations before or after the announcement date, a period that included announcements of
lottery winners for most lottery states.
This finding was evident using a conventional event-time
model (Figure, A) and a novel technique that better accounts for staggered announcements
(Figure, B).

Is JAMA (Journal for the American Medical Association) considered "Fake News," or can we trust them?  Asking for a friend.

I went  to the JAMA Network website, and that source article lays out the methods, results and conclusions in a brief and easy to understand format.

Thanks for posting.  It looks like our theories were right on the money.  Having a "chance" to win a lottery is not as effective an incentive as cash on the spot when getting a vaccine.  Certainty > uncertainty.  Also, drawings and lotteries are not an effective messaging tool.  The money would have been better spent on educating the public about the vaccines so the decision is more informed.  The lotteries also do nothing to assuage the fears of people turned off of the vaccine by misinformation.

Excellent points.  It takes a professional organization like this to tell the government they wasted our money.  The evidence is pretty clear.

Good job, Inspector!   :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8786 on: October 19, 2021, 09:47:46 PM »
I just read this.  Looks like the government wasting tax payer money to push an agenda failed .... again.  This is the new Cash-For-Clunkers!   :rofl: :rofl:

Is JAMA (Journal for the American Medical Association) considered "Fake News," or can we trust them?  Asking for a friend.

I went  to the JAMA Network website, and that source article lays out the methods, results and conclusions in a brief and easy to understand format.

Thanks for posting.  It looks like our theories were right on the money.  Having a "chance" to win a lottery is not as effective an incentive as cash on the spot when getting a vaccine.  Certainty > uncertainty.  Also, drawings and lotteries are not an effective messaging tool.  The money would have been better spent on educating the public about the vaccines so the decision is more informed.  The lotteries also do nothing to assuage the fears of people turned off of the vaccine by misinformation.

Excellent points.  It takes a professional organization like this to tell the government they wasted our money.  The evidence is pretty clear.

Good job, Inspector!   :thumbsup:

Yep. Lose money. I signed up for our State's contest / lottery scam. I didn't win anything. Not even free Zippys chili. I wish Zippys would offer dining in already.  Let's Go Ivan!
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changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8787 on: October 19, 2021, 09:53:01 PM »
Yep. Lose money. I signed up for our State's contest / lottery scam. I didn't win anything. Not even free Zippys chili. I wish Zippys would offer dining in already.  Let's Go Ivan!
Does anyone know anyone who won? I dont.

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macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8788 on: October 19, 2021, 09:54:10 PM »
feelings>>>JAMA

I just read this.  Looks like the government wasting tax payer money to push an agenda failed .... again.  This is the new Cash-For-Clunkers!   :rofl: :rofl:

Is JAMA (Journal for the American Medical Association) considered "Fake News," or can we trust them?  Asking for a friend.

I went  to the JAMA Network website, and that source article lays out the methods, results and conclusions in a brief and easy to understand format.

Thanks for posting.  It looks like our theories were right on the money.  Having a "chance" to win a lottery is not as effective an incentive as cash on the spot when getting a vaccine.  Certainty > uncertainty.  Also, drawings and lotteries are not an effective messaging tool.  The money would have been better spent on educating the public about the vaccines so the decision is more informed.  The lotteries also do nothing to assuage the fears of people turned off of the vaccine by misinformation.

Excellent points.  It takes a professional organization like this to tell the government they wasted our money.  The evidence is pretty clear.

Good job, Inspector!   :thumbsup:

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8789 on: October 19, 2021, 09:56:28 PM »
feelings>>>JAMA

Not feelings.  There are documented cases of people saying they got vaxxed for the various lottos.  What more proof do you need?

aieahound

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8790 on: October 19, 2021, 09:59:33 PM »
Walk away Mac.
Walk away.  :rofl:

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8791 on: October 19, 2021, 10:02:55 PM »
Like a moth to a flame

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8792 on: October 19, 2021, 10:21:06 PM »
 O0
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8793 on: October 20, 2021, 01:53:07 AM »
I just read this.  Looks like the government wasting tax payer money to push an agenda failed .... again.  This is the new Cash-For-Clunkers!   :rofl: :rofl:

Is JAMA (Journal for the American Medical Association) considered "Fake News," or can we trust them?  Asking for a friend.

I went  to the JAMA Network website, and that source article lays out the methods, results and conclusions in a brief and easy to understand format.

Thanks for posting.  It looks like our theories were right on the money.  Having a "chance" to win a lottery is not as effective an incentive as cash on the spot when getting a vaccine.  Certainty > uncertainty.  Also, drawings and lotteries are not an effective messaging tool.  The money would have been better spent on educating the public about the vaccines so the decision is more informed.  The lotteries also do nothing to assuage the fears of people turned off of the vaccine by misinformation.

Excellent points.  It takes a professional organization like this to tell the government they wasted our money.  The evidence is pretty clear.

Good job, Inspector!   :thumbsup:
Thanks! It’s best to have the facts so one can make informed choices. A lottery would never entice me to get the jab. IMHO that is a ridiculous scenario that anyone would take the jab for an entry into a lottery. I certainly wouldn’t do it. However, it is a choice that I am sure a few will take. That is the freedom we have here in this country.

Everyone should have a choice to vaccinate or not. That choice is what differentiates America from all other countries. Take that choice away and we no lose another freedom.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8794 on: October 20, 2021, 05:29:54 AM »
Waycist!
I resemble those remarks!

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Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8795 on: October 20, 2021, 06:26:51 AM »
Great back and forth between reporter Peter Doocy and Peppermint Pattie (Jen Psaki):

Doocy then moved to the unintended consequences of vaccine mandates: “If the whole point of a vaccine mandate is to make people safer, but a vaccine mandate also means tons of police and military may walk off the job, then, at the end of the day, does vaccine mandate make people safer?”

After Psaki played stupid and wondered where it was that “tons of police and military” personnel were “walking off the job,” Doocy cited a Washington Post item that said hundreds of thousands of soldiers weren’t vaccinated and Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva’s claim “that five to ten percent of their workforce could walk off the job.”

Psaki not only denounced these fears, but defended the mandates (regardless of the consequences) because over 700,000 Americans have died of Covid (click “expand”):

DOOCY: But there are other problems in the world than Covid-19: international terror, gang violence, murder, arson, drug dealers —

PSAKI: What — what was —

DOOCY: — is there any concern —

PSAKI: — what was the —

DOOCY: — about being able to —

PSAKI: — highest —

DOOCY: — beat things —

PSAKI: — what was the highest — what was the number one cause of death among police officers last year? Do you know? Covid-19. So, that's something that we're working to address and police departments are working to address. If you look at Seattle as an example, which I know has been in the some of the reporting, 92 percent of the police force is vaccinated, as are 93 percent of firefighters. 99 percent of Seattle's 11,000 employees have submitted vaccine verification or an exemption —

DOOCY: My question is about —

PSAKI: — requests [sic].

DOOCY: — public safety, though. All these other problems — terror, murder, robberies, kidnappings — is there any concern that if police forces shrink or if the size of the ready military force shrinks that the United States or localities may not be equipped properly to deal with that and to respond.

PSAKI: Peter, more than 700,000 people have died of Covid. Again, it was the number one cause of death among police departments and police officers. It's something that we should take seriously. Departments are trying to save people in their departments, people who work for them. We support that effort, and there's been success across the country in that regard.

You can find the entire article here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=40708.msg400040#msg400040
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8796 on: October 20, 2021, 06:34:20 AM »
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8797 on: October 20, 2021, 06:35:49 AM »
Thanks! It’s best to have the facts so one can make informed choices. A lottery would never entice me to get the jab. IMHO that is a ridiculous scenario that anyone would take the jab for an entry into a lottery. I certainly wouldn’t do it. However, it is a choice that I am sure a few will take. That is the freedom we have here in this country.

Everyone should have a choice to vaccinate or not. That choice is what differentiates America from all other countries. Take that choice away and we no lose another freedom.

There is no mandatory vaxx in America. Everyone still has choices.  Quit your job,  or get tested weekly.  Etc.  Some people are lazy and not anti science so the lotto works.  Or if you were on the edge a little bit more would convince you etc.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8798 on: October 20, 2021, 07:28:21 AM »
Great back and forth between reporter Peter Doocy and Peppermint Pattie (Jen Psaki):

Doocy then moved to the unintended consequences of vaccine mandates: “If the whole point of a vaccine mandate is to make people safer, but a vaccine mandate also means tons of police and military may walk off the job, then, at the end of the day, does vaccine mandate make people safer?”

After Psaki played stupid and wondered where it was that “tons of police and military” personnel were “walking off the job,” Doocy cited a Washington Post item that said hundreds of thousands of soldiers weren’t vaccinated and Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva’s claim “that five to ten percent of their workforce could walk off the job.”

Psaki not only denounced these fears, but defended the mandates (regardless of the consequences) because over 700,000 Americans have died of Covid (click “expand”):

DOOCY: But there are other problems in the world than Covid-19: international terror, gang violence, murder, arson, drug dealers —

PSAKI: What — what was —

DOOCY: — is there any concern —

PSAKI: — what was the —

DOOCY: — about being able to —

PSAKI: — highest —

DOOCY: — beat things —

PSAKI: — what was the highest — what was the number one cause of death among police officers last year? Do you know? Covid-19. So, that's something that we're working to address and police departments are working to address. If you look at Seattle as an example, which I know has been in the some of the reporting, 92 percent of the police force is vaccinated, as are 93 percent of firefighters. 99 percent of Seattle's 11,000 employees have submitted vaccine verification or an exemption —

DOOCY: My question is about —

PSAKI: — requests [sic].

DOOCY: — public safety, though. All these other problems — terror, murder, robberies, kidnappings — is there any concern that if police forces shrink or if the size of the ready military force shrinks that the United States or localities may not be equipped properly to deal with that and to respond.

PSAKI: Peter, more than 700,000 people have died of Covid. Again, it was the number one cause of death among police departments and police officers. It's something that we should take seriously. Departments are trying to save people in their departments, people who work for them. We support that effort, and there's been success across the country in that regard.

You can find the entire article here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=40708.msg400040#msg400040
Wait till u see her exchange about moving illegals "in the middle of the night".

This doesnt affect HI, but i understand the consequences that all these illegals will have on our nation. And ur state will be effected.



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macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8799 on: October 20, 2021, 08:06:11 AM »