Congress has done this for decades:  attach a horrible bill to a "must pass" bill to get it signed into law.  Nothing but a shell game.  If you don't see it, nobody can make you.

Democrats like the HPD troll like it that way, been sneaking their subversive crap in for a long time that way.

Of course, their media cheerleads all the way telling the low-info types how cold and unfeeling those conservatives are...........

Democrats like the HPD troll like it that way, been sneaking their subversive crap in for a long time that way.

Of course, their media cheerleads all the way telling the low-info types how cold and unfeeling those conservatives are...........

meanwhile
https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/12/some-honolulu-police-officers-are-doubling-their-salaries-with-overtime/

Honolulu Police Chief Susan Ballard has criticized her officers’ overuse of federally funded overtime during the pandemic, but she’s been allowing her officers to double their salaries with overtime for years, according to city data obtained by Civil Beat.

In just the first nine months of 2020, Sgt. Robert Cavaco earned $71,607 in regular pay and $119,014 in overtime. That’s a total of $190,622 – more than Mayor Kirk Caldwell makes in an entire year.

Cpl. Thayne Costa also earned $71,607 in regular pay in that time period, plus $133,084 in overtime. With a total of $204,691 earned between January and the end of September, he’s on track to make more than Police Chief Susan Ballard this year.

The chief makes $205,800 annually and doesn’t earn overtime.

Well HQKB karens always asking for more hpd at gatherings so gotta pay for those officers somehow, even if dismissed 95% in court.

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What's 2AHawaii's consensus on Trump's $2,000 stimulus request?  For or against and why?

I’m dumping it into my retirement fund.  Since it’s going to be the most expensive $600 I’ve ever gotten I might as well earn some compounding interest on it. 

What's 2AHawaii's consensus on Trump's $2,000 stimulus request?  For or against and why?

I’m neither for it nor against it. On one hand it’s simply money we have to pay back and we are mortgaging our children’s future. But on the other of the government can approve billions for foreign aid and bullshit government programs then hey I want my share too after all it’s my fucken money. The entire thing is infuriating.

As I get older I’m starting to realize that the Bullshit comes from both sides. We really are being played.

What's 2AHawaii's consensus on Trump's $2,000 stimulus request?  For or against and why?

$2K is fine, i'm concerned about all the other crap in the bill.  Why do X things need "COVID" relief?  Those entities should be in the regular budget or something else, not a COVID specific bill.  Same like the 1st stimulus that was passed.  I guess NASA relies on revenue from tourism in order to operate.

What's 2AHawaii's consensus on Trump's $2,000 stimulus request?  For or against and why?

You probably already know how I feel about it as I have written a few times already. I think they should take the total allocated amount and divide it up between only those who have lost their jobs due to the lockdowns created by our corrupt and power hungry politicians and community leaders. I don’t think that people who have not been financially effected by the lockdowns should receive this at all. That includes people who have necessary jobs, people on welfare, workfare and any type of government assistance. And I include people such as myself who no longer work and are on a fixed income that has not been effected financially by the lockdowns.

As far as the $600 compared to the $2,000 I think it is a nice gesture. Trump wants to help those who are hurting because of the narcissism and power hungry politicians. I get it. And I appreciate it. But I think there was more to the $2,000 request. First I want to say this is not stimulus and the rest of the spending bill is NOT COVID relief. This is nothing more than a refund given to people who pay their taxes and a gift to those who don’t. True stimulus would be to create jobs and increase production output. That is a true stimulus. Actually what I think is behind the $2,000 request goes beyond trying to help those who are hurting. I think it was an opportunity for Trump to expose congress for the money laundering assholes that they are. He read off all of the billions of dollars that congress was sending to foreign countries for it to be laundered and then sent to the people/entities that the corrupt politicians owe kickback money to. And possibly have it come back to some of them. I think a lot of people did not know where most of the money in the spending bill was going to and what it was for until Trump exposed it all. And I think it made the representatives and senators look like total assholes for giving everyone such a slap in the face of $600. I personally think he accomplished what he wanted to do with this request. JMHO

I will accept the $4,000 graciously and will pay down my mortgage or car loan. Paying off personal debt is not stimulating anyone. But it means I will be able to pay off my mortgage a couple years early.

Since the Congress ATTACHED the Omnibus Spending Bill to the COVID Relief Bill, they became the same bill.  Doesn't matter if they used to exist separately.  The President can't sign one and veto the other.  That's the very definition of "they are the same bill."

Congress has done this for decades:  attach a horrible bill to a "must pass" bill to get it signed into law.  Nothing but a shell game.  If you don't see it, nobody can make you.

Congress made them the same bill and are now using the narrative of "they are different bills" to blame Trump.  Only TDS lemmings believe what the MSM and Dems are shoveling.

They may have been attached for the vote but they are still separate bills with separate authors. You are correct in one sense since they pass or dont pass together but in terms of understanding and discussing the bills, they are not the same.

What's 2AHawaii's consensus on Trump's $2,000 stimulus request?  For or against and why?

I am against,  we have enough debt.  Its a liberal thing to want to hand out money like candy, not a conservative principle.  Though its also beyond hypocrisy that many of the right were calling the checks socialism and communism, yet the second trump supports it,  its amazing help for the people.

I wonder how many people who are against the stimulus checks are still fortunate to have their current job.

And I don't think anyone who have lost their job and most of their savings these past months would be against the stimulus checks.

It largely depends where you sit on either side of the fence.

I plan to give my stimulus check money to several family members who have lost everything to this fuckin bullshit goddamn fake political virus scam

I wonder how many people who are against the stimulus checks are still fortunate to have their current job.

And I don't think anyone who have lost their job and most of their savings these past months would be against the stimulus checks.

It largely depends where you sit on either side of the fence.

I plan to give my stimulus check money to several family members who have lost everything to this fuckin bullshit goddamn fake political virus scam

I think that's what we have unemployment for.  Stimulus checks give to everyone.  Even the fortunate ones.  Its not really fair to everyone and the future generations.  I understand its to stimulate the economy but I am not sure if its worth the cost in the end.

I think that's what we have unemployment for.  Stimulus checks give to everyone.  Even the fortunate ones.  Its not really fair to everyone and the future generations.  I understand its to stimulate the economy but I am not sure if its worth the cost in the end.

There's a hierarchy for calling for assistance.  Government should be the last.  This is why it's important to support each other and community groups through volunteering and donations.  Though I can see Fed gov being used for national emergencies like covid.

1. Family
2.  Friends
3.  Community groups ( church, non profits, neighbors, etc)
4.  Local gov
5.  State gov
6.  Fed gov

Well $4000 will be 2/3 of the $6000 True 3 door commercial refrigerator my wife wants me to buy for our kitchen.

There's a hierarchy for calling for assistance.  Government should be the last.  This is why it's important to support each other and community groups through volunteering and donations.  Though I can see Fed gov being used for national emergencies like covid.

1. Family
2.  Friends
3.  Community groups ( church, non profits, neighbors, etc)
4.  Local gov
5.  State gov
6.  Fed gov

Yeah, government should also be "last" to have the authority to put people out of business and out of work based on some non-existent "national emergency" (while all the government employees remain at 100% paycheck status). This is a completely 100% government created "problem". You see what happens to disabled vets and disabled children when they try to go to a mall or see a movie in violation of an absurd useless government "mandate"... you really believe family and friends can overcome that kind of tyrannical power play? It's a lose/lose situation. Either way what happens is increased dependence on a corrupt system.

Well $4000 will be 2/3 of the $6000 True 3 door commercial refrigerator my wife wants me to buy for our kitchen.

What's with the skimping? Why not go full Pelosi?

As far as the $600 compared to the $2,000 I think it is a nice gesture. Trump wants to help those who are hurting because of the narcissism and power hungry politicians. I get it. And I appreciate it. But I think there was more to the $2,000 request. First I want to say this is not stimulus and the rest of the spending bill is NOT COVID relief. This is nothing more than a refund given to people who pay their taxes and a gift to those who don’t. True stimulus would be to create jobs and increase production output. That is a true stimulus. Actually what I think is behind the $2,000 request goes beyond trying to help those who are hurting. I think it was an opportunity for Trump to expose congress for the money laundering assholes that they are. He read off all of the billions of dollars that congress was sending to foreign countries for it to be laundered and then sent to the people/entities that the corrupt politicians owe kickback money to. And possibly have it come back to some of them. I think a lot of people did not know where most of the money in the spending bill was going to and what it was for until Trump exposed it all. And I think it made the representatives and senators look like total assholes for giving everyone such a slap in the face of $600. I personally think he accomplished what he wanted to do with this request. JMHO

That was my point early in this thread. It’s not “idiot Trump”, but the larger issue is Congress and all of the other career politicians who have done nothing for the people they are supposed to be serving. And folks fighting over $600, who’s is essentially less than scraps.

I’m not against air, stimulus, of whatever that helps those that are in need. Just too much money going to those who who don’t really need it or folks working the system to continue to benefit from taxes I pay without lifting a finger.

Well $4000 will be 2/3 of the $6000 True 3 door commercial refrigerator my wife wants me to buy for our kitchen.

or $4K on ammo. Just sayin...

or $4K on ammo. Just sayin...

Meh, that’s only like 4k of 9 or 3k of 5.56 these days.   

 

or $4K on ammo. Just sayin...

I have no firearms or ammo.  Those things are too dangerous to keep at home.