His unintelligible reply had something to do with "If you earn more, you can afford to pay more."

Didn't answer my question.  I asked WHO DECIDES what each person pays, not some gobbledy-goop about a scale.

I have been saying for a long time that reading comprehension and intelligence are not his/her strong suit. The scale mentality is also the very far left mentality. It’s not equal treatment, it’s “fair” treatment. Which we all know is unfair.

If he/she answers you with a clear and well thought out answer you damn well know it was not a smoke break post. But rather a doo doo post. 

BTW, I stopped piling up on the kid except he keeps quoting me. So as long as he keeps quoting me I am going to keep getting in on the fun with you guys. It’s his choice. And the fact that he keeps doing it shows he really enjoys it! 

Please explain how I get to decide when the money is being stolen from me without my consent via gas taxes, income taxes, capital gains taxes, etc.

BTW, your accusatory appeal to my emotions is duly noted.  Try using facts.  What will my stolen money that goes to green BS subsidies, Paris Accord Socialism, and so on accomplish?

If you think like that all taxes are money stolen.  I never said we should raise those other types of taxes you mentioned.  I specifically said remove oil subsidies and raise gas tax. You can choose not to drive.  You driving and paying more is a choice you decide. 

Not emotional you can make choices on logic.   Climate change isn't some left only issue.  We have evidence and fact that the world is warming and the climate is changing. All those programs serve to try and stop that. 

If you think like that ask taxes are money stolen.  I never said we should raise those other types of taxes you mentioned.  I specifically said remove oil subsidies and raise gas tax. You can choose not to drive.  You driving and paying more is a choice you decide. 

Not emotional you can make choices on logic.   Climate change isn't some left only issue.  We have evidence and fact that the world is warming and the climate is changing. All those programs serve to try and stop that.

I don't normally jump in on the beat up Omni threads, but today I will.
If I'm not driving a fossil fueled vehicle, I'd have to ride a horse  or mule
to go the 50 or so miles to my doctors office today.
So when you spout out about Raising fuel taxes, fuck you.
Mauna Kea is covered with snow today.
Didn't your "pitcher",  Al, say we would not be seeing any snow by now?
Climate change always happens.  If you believe( since you don't think)
I'm responsible for that, start sending me money via the Salvation army
and I will consider saving you and your family.
 

If you think like that ask taxes are money stolen.  I never said we should raise those other types of taxes you mentioned.  I specifically said remove oil subsidies and raise gas tax. You can choose not to drive.  You driving and paying more is a choice you decide. 

Not emotional you can make choices on logic.   Climate change isn't some left only issue.  We have evidence and fact that the world is warming and the climate is changing. All those programs serve to try and stop that.

And YOU don't need multiple firearms, ammo, or any other hobby, yet we know you do.  That's money you could be spending on implementing more green tech in your life instead of crying how it's too expensive for you -- but forced gas taxes are fine.  Hypocrite!

No, I can't just choose to drive or not and not pay gas taxes.  Naive?  Ignorant?.  Transportation costs money no matter if I take an Uber, The Taxi, The Bus, The Rail (not an option where I live), etc.  Paying for a ticket, pass or fare, you're paying the SAME GAS TAXES through a middle man. 

We have evidence the Earth warmed before humans stood upright, too.  Were the dinosaurs driving SUVs and flying jets? 

To "try and stop that" is not a plan.  You can throw yourself in front of a speeding bus to try and stop it.  How effective do you think that'll be?

Al Gore admitted that the Paris Accord, if it did EVERYTHING they want to accomplish, would have NO EFFECT on the actual problem.

All that money taken out of the economy and people's hands would be spent in other countries.  All it does is "send a very powerful message."  That's the point. Read it!

Former Vice President Al Gore acknowledged Sunday that even if all the
nations in the Paris accord reach their emissions targets, climate change
would still be a problem.

“That is correct," Gore told host Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday."
"However, it sends a very powerful signal to business and industry, and
civil society and countries around the world," Gore said.

No accountability, no science -- just virtue signaling and raping the people of valuable resources.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/336264-gore-paris-accord-wont-completely-fix-climate-crisis-but-progress

so tempted to post the "fake woke" rap video for our boy
but that would derail the thread even more...

And YOU don't need multiple firearms, ammo, or any other hobby, yet we know you do.  That's money you could be spending on implementing more green tech in your life instead of crying how it's too expensive for you -- but forced gas taxes are fine.  Hypocrite!

No, I can't just choose to drive or not and not pay gas taxes.  Naive?  Ignorant?.  Transportation costs money no matter if I take an Uber, The Taxi, The Bus, The Rail (not an option where I live), etc.  Paying for a ticket, pass or fare, you're paying the SAME GAS TAXES through a middle man. 

We have evidence the Earth warmed before humans stood upright, too.  Were the dinosaurs driving SUVs and flying jets? 

To "try and stop that" is not a plan.  You can throw yourself in front of a speeding bus to try and stop it.  How effective do you think that'll be?

Al Gore admitted that the Paris Accord, if it did EVERYTHING they want to accomplish, would have NO EFFECT on the actual problem.

All that money taken out of the economy and people's hands would be spent in other countries.  All it does is "send a very powerful message."  That's the point. Read it!

No accountability, no science -- just virtue signaling and raping the people of valuable resources.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/336264-gore-paris-accord-wont-completely-fix-climate-crisis-but-progress

so tempted to post the "fake woke" rap video for our boy
but that would derail the thread even more...

What's frustrating is we provided all these facts more than once to him in several other threads, and he STILL keeps posting the same unsupported nonsense.

I tried herding cats this morning.  Much less frustrating than educating the OMNIGRUB.  I'm of the opinion he has been programmed, and the files are all "Read-Only" now.

I don't normally jump in on the beat up Omni threads, but today I will.
If I'm not driving a fossil fueled vehicle, I'd have to ride a horse  or mule
to go the 50 or so miles to my doctors office today.
So when you spout out about Raising fuel taxes, fuck you.
Mauna Kea is covered with snow today.
Didn't your "pitcher",  Al, say we would not be seeing any snow by now?
Climate change always happens.  If you believe( since you don't think)
I'm responsible for that, start sending me money via the Salvation army
and I will consider saving you and your family.
 

He is once again posting #FakeNews 

Yeah, that was a pretty ignorant statement (again) from someone who obviously does not have a whole lot of life experience. I would guess 25%-40% of the population that have jobs, have to drive to work in order to earn a living. I know I did. That number is probably higher because I did not include people who have kids and jobs at the same time. Anyone who has kids and a job almost has to drive to work. And I would guess that is pretty much a super majority. But I digress. Also, I didn’t include people who are taking care of elderly parents/invalid/disabled who don’t have access to the transit system or who cannot access the transit system. I know there is a tremendous amount of people like that since there is a whole transportation industry that revolves around and specializes in them. I also lived in SoCal where people had to drive over 50 miles one way to work (I was one of them) and I knew a few that drove close to 200 miles to work every day. This was due to either their office not being close to a transit corridor or the fact that the transit system was constantly overloaded and there were not enough trains and busses to provide access if they were within a transit corridor. They had no choice. They had to drive to work. These are not corner cases, either. This is the norm rather than the exception of life in some large cities and counties. If the low life experience poster had lived and experienced numerous places in his life as I and others here have the poster would realize how stupid a statement he/she made. Living in the bubble called Honolulu does not give one the experience necessary to make informed and thoughtful statements about this subject. So he/she makes only ignorant statements like they did. It must be nice to be able to make that choice to drive to work or not if they want. The problem is most people’s circumstances are not the same and require a vehicle in order to make a living. To think most people’s circumstances can be solved/changed with a one size fits only a few solution is not common sense.

And YOU don't need multiple firearms, ammo, or any other hobby, yet we know you do.  That's money you could be spending on implementing more green tech in your life instead of crying how it's too expensive for you -- but forced gas taxes are fine.  Hypocrite!

No, I can't just choose to drive or not and not pay gas taxes.  Naive?  Ignorant?.  Transportation costs money no matter if I take an Uber, The Taxi, The Bus, The Rail (not an option where I live), etc.  Paying for a ticket, pass or fare, you're paying the SAME GAS TAXES through a middle man. 

We have evidence the Earth warmed before humans stood upright, too.  Were the dinosaurs driving SUVs and flying jets? 

To "try and stop that" is not a plan.  You can throw yourself in front of a speeding bus to try and stop it.  How effective do you think that'll be?

Al Gore admitted that the Paris Accord, if it did EVERYTHING they want to accomplish, would have NO EFFECT on the actual problem.

All that money taken out of the economy and people's hands would be spent in other countries.  All it does is "send a very powerful message."  That's the point. Read it!

No accountability, no science -- just virtue signaling and raping the people of valuable resources.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/336264-gore-paris-accord-wont-completely-fix-climate-crisis-but-progress

Maybe I should add in that he stated that he is saving for house. A house adds to the carbon footprint of the earth. He will be making his personal carbon footprint much bigger than it already is if he decides to buy a house. I guess he doesn’t care about that because going green is for thee not for me. Damn hypocrite is all he is.

He is once again posting #FakeNews 

Yeah, that was a pretty ignorant statement (again) from someone who obviously does not have a whole lot of life experience. I would guess 25%-40% of the population that have jobs, have to drive to work in order to earn a living. I know I did. That number is probably higher because I did not include people who have kids and jobs at the same time. Anyone who has kids and a job almost has to drive to work. And I would guess that is pretty much a super majority. But I digress. Also, I didn’t include people who are taking care of elderly parents/invalid/disabled who don’t have access to the transit system or who cannot access the transit system. I know there is a tremendous amount of people like that since there is a whole transportation industry that revolves around and specializes in them. I also lived in SoCal where people had to drive over 50 miles one way to work (I was one of them) and I knew a few that drove close to 200 miles to work every day. This was due to either their office not being close to a transit corridor or the fact that the transit system was constantly overloaded and there were not enough trains and busses to provide access if they were within a transit corridor. They had no choice. They had to drive to work. These are not corner cases, either. This is the norm rather than the exception of life in some large cities and counties. If the low life experience poster had lived and experienced numerous places in his life as I and others here have the poster would realize how stupid a statement he/she made. Living in the bubble called Honolulu does not give one the experience necessary to make informed and thoughtful statements about this subject. So he/she makes only ignorant statements like they did. It must be nice to be able to make that choice to drive to work or not if they want. The problem is most people’s circumstances are not the same and require a vehicle in order to make a living. To think most people’s circumstances can be solved/changed with a one size fits only a few solution is not common sense.

Don't leave out the fact that life is not limited to going to work or school and home again.  Shopping, hauling to the greens recycling center or dump (for home owners), traveling to appointments (dental, healthcare, firearm permit/registration  , DMV for licenses and vehicle registrations and bus passes), plus needing to haul large or many bags of stuff, etc.  These are things you can't rely on public or commercial transportation to fit your schedule or permit you to easily take a bunch of stuff with you.

p.s. Taking a gun on The Bus to go practice, or to transfer or register, is forbidden.  I'm sure the rail will be the same, even though the choo-choo doesn't go that far.

Don't leave out the fact that life is not limited to going to work or school and home again.  Shopping, hauling to the greens recycling center or dump (for home owners), traveling to appointments (dental, healthcare, firearm permit/registration  , DMV for licenses and vehicle registrations and bus passes), plus needing to haul large or many bags of stuff, etc.  These are things you can't rely on public or commercial transportation to fit your schedule or permit you to easily take a bunch of stuff with you.

p.s. Taking a gun on The Bus to go practice, or to transfer or register, is forbidden.  I'm sure the rail will be the same, even though the choo-choo doesn't go that far.

Just remember he/she does everything “within reason”. So it is reasonable in their mind to pollute the air/earth with their car in order to go shooting since they cannot take public transportation. Then they will leave toxic substances in the earth (Lead) at the range and pollute it more than it already is because they do everything “within reason”. Especially when they could have stayed home and saved the earth from the dreaded “Climate change”. But I guess polluting the air and earth in order to have some fun is reasonable, right?

95% of my driving is necessary and either driving to and from work or getting food and supplies.  Covid really helped me in that regard this year.  Cut down going to the range so that saves car usage and other environmental impacts. Don't go out for other random reasons.  GF lives close to home so not a detour to pick her up to go back to my place.  I try and do my part.  I am not saying everyone has to majorly change their lives, but every bit helps.  If the taxes on gas gets raised it will make people think more before they drive and burn fuel.  If not, I am ok with everyone suffering for the sake of the environment.  No matter what you all say,  its not logical to think that burning gas in any way or form is beneficial to the environment.  So less usage is always better. 

The post covid world looks very hopeful.  More people working from home so less commute.  Biden for all his faults looks great for the environment.  If we can get a new infrastructure bill to replace current with green tech that would be wonderful.  Cancel all oil subsidies.  No new fracking.  Start weaning ourselves from oil.

I take no offense to being called on the left for environmental issues.  Not sure why you all think that's an insult.  Its not about sides, its about policies.  I am on the right on immigration.  But thats a moot point.  You all should try be a little less partisan.

The whole point is,  everyone as their own values and limits.  If you need to go enjoy your hobbies 24/7 365 then there isn't much you can do to help.  Or you need to travel to work or survive.  But if you can cut your usage 1 day a week that will help.  Or walk a bit more, or buy electric. Every bit helps.   It's what you feel is appropriate,  I am just advocating that you think about it, and the future of your offspring.

I don't normally jump in on the beat up Omni threads, but today I will.
If I'm not driving a fossil fueled vehicle, I'd have to ride a horse  or mule
to go the 50 or so miles to my doctors office today.
So when you spout out about Raising fuel taxes, fuck you.
Mauna Kea is covered with snow today.
Didn't your "pitcher",  Al, say we would not be seeing any snow by now?
Climate change always happens.  If you believe( since you don't think)
I'm responsible for that, start sending me money via the Salvation army
and I will consider saving you and your family.
 

Or you can walk. Because bicycles are made with oil, so are skate boards, heely's and other transportation that has wheels.

95% of my driving is necessary and either driving to and from work or getting food and supplies.  Covid really helped me in that regard this year.  Cut down going to the range so that saves car usage and other environmental impacts. Don't go out for other random reasons.  GF lives close to home so not a detour to pick her up to go back to my place.  I try and do my part.  I am not saying everyone has to majorly change their lives, but every bit helps.  If the taxes on gas gets raised it will make people think more before they drive and burn fuel.  If not, I am ok with everyone suffering for the sake of the environment.  No matter what you all say,  its not logical to think that burning gas in any way or form is beneficial to the environment.  So less usage is always better. 

The post covid world looks very hopeful.  More people working from home so less commute.  Biden for all his faults looks great for the environment.  If we can get a new infrastructure bill to replace current with green tech that would be wonderful.  Cancel all oil subsidies.  No new fracking.  Start weaning ourselves from oil.

I take no offense to being called on the left for environmental issues.  Not sure why you all think that's an insult.  Its not about sides, its about policies.  I am on the right on immigration.  But thats a moot point.  You all should try be a little less partisan.

The whole point is,  everyone as their own values and limits.  If you need to go enjoy your hobbies 24/7 365 then there isn't much you can do to help.  Or you need to travel to work or survive.  But if you can cut your usage 1 day a week that will help.  Or walk a bit more, or buy electric. Every bit helps.   It's what you feel is appropriate,  I am just advocating that you think about it, and the future of your offspring.

No, you are advocating that everyone who uses gasoline pay more per gallon, taxing us to pay for "green tech" that we personally may not support government getting involved in with our finances.

You're advocating for Biden tossing workers off their jobs now, then making the unemployed find another job -- even if that means paying for school "somehow" while on unemployment.  Many of those people are career employees and spent their adult years becoming professionals in their jobs.  It's cruel for Biden to tell them "Learn to code."

No, you are advocating that everyone who uses gasoline pay more per gallon, taxing us to pay for "green tech" that we personally may not support government getting involved in with our finances.

You're advocating for Biden tossing workers off their jobs now, then making the unemployed find another job -- even if that means paying for school "somehow" while on unemployment.  Many of those people are career employees and spent their adult years becoming professionals in their jobs.  It's cruel for Biden to tell them "Learn to code."

That's life.  Lots of my tax dollars goes to things I don't support like oil subsidies,  welfare, religion etc.  There is no perfect world.  Technically you still have the option to not pay the tax,  its not as bad as taking it out of income tax or something. 

Partially correct,  I am more towards freezing all new projects.  Not as bad job loss and people will slowly be forced to find alternatives.  Again you are incorrect.  There are other options in their current field.  They weren't all born and raised along the pipeline route...Theres still other oil jobs.  And like I said before many other jobs are related.  Like concreate work, metal work, etc that are not unique to "oil".  Construction works don't all forever run out of jobs once they finish a building.  They move on to another, in a different location. That is part of life.

I used work mostly with VMware but my company started to transition, so I transitioned to cloud.  One day AI will probably replace my job and I will have to transition to another.  Not sure what the future holds but all jobs will be replaced by robots eventually.  Life changes.

That's life.  Lots of my tax dollars goes to things I don't support like oil subsidies,  welfare, religion etc.  There is no perfect world.  Technically you still have the option to not pay the tax,  its not as bad as taking it out of income tax or something. 

Partially correct,  I am more towards freezing all new projects.  Not as bad job loss and people will slowly be forced to find alternatives.  Again you are incorrect.  There are other options in their current field.  They weren't all born and raised along the pipeline route...Theres still other oil jobs.  And like I said before many other jobs are related.  Like concreate work, metal work, etc that are not unique to "oil".  Construction works don't all forever run out of jobs once they finish a building.  They move on to another, in a different location. That is part of life.

I used to be more of a sys admin but they were going to way of the Dodo, so I transitioned to cloud.  One day AI will probably replace my job and I will have to transition to another.  Not sure what the future holds but all jobs will be replaced by robots eventually.

No, that was not "life" under Trump.  Trump created good paying jobs and lowered taxes.

It's life under stupid Democrats who put their social agenda ahead of the needs of the workers.

Moving from one IT specialty to another doesn't require starting from scratch like moving from working in the field on a pipeline to "learning to code does".

Are you really this obtuse?

No, that was not "life" under Trump.  Trump created good paying jobs and lowered taxes.

It's life under stupid Democrats who put their social agenda ahead of the needs of the workers.

Moving from one IT specialty to another doesn't require starting from scratch like moving from working in the field on a pipeline to "learning to code does."

Are you really this obtuse?

What's your obsession with complete job changes that's not that practical.  They will most likely go from working metal pipe to something similar.... there's PLENTY of construction jobs.  Even more if Biden does green infrastructure rollout.

Also why are you not bitching about all the truck driver and ship jobs that will be lost when the pipeline is active....All those truck drivers forced to find other work,  all those ship workers forced to work on land.  The list can go on forever.

Also Trump didn't lower my taxes,  nor did he have any effect on my job.  Nothing wrong with social agenda.  Some are good, like legalizing pot,  the environment, freedom of ones body.  Some are bad like gun control and immigration.  Both sides have agenda you just don't like some but you cant just blame one side.   Trumps agenda of pro life is a social agenda forced on others who don't agree but you had NO issues with that...hypocrite. All those abortion jobs lost...oh boo hoo. (joke)

95% of my driving is necessary and either driving to and from work or getting food and supplies.  Covid really helped me in that regard this year.  Cut down going to the range so that saves car usage and other environmental impacts. Don't go out for other random reasons.  GF lives close to home so not a detour to pick her up to go back to my place.  I try and do my part.  I am not saying everyone has to majorly change their lives, but every bit helps.  If the taxes on gas gets raised it will make people think more before they drive and burn fuel.  If not, I am ok with everyone suffering for the sake of the environment.  No matter what you all say,  its not logical to think that burning gas in any way or form is beneficial to the environment.  So less usage is always better. 

The post covid world looks very hopeful.  More people working from home so less commute.  Biden for all his faults looks great for the environment.  If we can get a new infrastructure bill to replace current with green tech that would be wonderful.  Cancel all oil subsidies.  No new fracking.  Start weaning ourselves from oil.

I take no offense to being called on the left for environmental issues.  Not sure why you all think that's an insult.  Its not about sides, its about policies.  I am on the right on immigration.  But thats a moot point.  You all should try be a little less partisan.

The whole point is,  everyone as their own values and limits.  If you need to go enjoy your hobbies 24/7 365 then there isn't much you can do to help.  Or you need to travel to work or survive.  But if you can cut your usage 1 day a week that will help.  Or walk a bit more, or buy electric. Every bit helps.   It's what you feel is appropriate,  I am just advocating that you think about it, and the future of your offspring.

lecturing is different from advocating...

What's your obsession with complete job changes that's not that practical.  They will most likely go from working metal pipe to something similar.... there's PLENTY of construction jobs.  Even more if Biden does green infrastructure rollout.

Also why are you not bitching about all the truck driver and ship jobs that will be lost when the pipeline is active....All those truck drivers forced to find other work,  all those ship workers forced to work on land.  The list can go on forever.

Also Trump didn't lower my taxes,  nor did he have any effect on my job.  Nothing wrong with social agenda.  Some are good, like legalizing pot,  the environment, freedom of ones body.  Some are bad like gun control and immigration.  Both sides have agenda you just don't like some but you cant just blame one side.   Trumps agenda of pro life is a social agenda forced on others who don't agree but you had NO issues with that...hypocrite. All those abortion jobs lost...oh boo hoo. (joke)

And you know all this how?  Your lifelong experience changing employers 5-6 times?

Trump's agenda on abortion changed no laws, and didn't cost me a single dollar.

And you know all this how?  Your lifelong experience changing employers 5-6 times?

Trump's agenda on abortion changed no laws, and didn't cost me a single dollar.

Avoided all those poor truck drivers losing those jobs question cause you know you were wrong.   But no, I know many people who changed jobs, my own family too.  Much more different jobs than going from one construction job to another.  Even you and many people here have had vastly different jobs throughout their lives...

There's many other agendas, that was one example.  The whole point is both sides have agenda's, it not some unique democrat thing.

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