Families give testimony about horrific reactions to mRNA COVID-19 vaccine (Read 12161 times)

macsak

Testing doesn't make it safe just proves it.   There are non mRNA versions for people who share those concerns.  Those types have DECADES of testing.    The hundreds of millions of people who got it sure prove its safe.   Also the government has done testing.  Just not super long term.

EUA is different than Full Approval...

omnigun

"super long term" is a sciency term...

So is the word decades.  🤔 is that one or two or more?

macsak

Please show me where I quoted you.

you replied to my post, then implied that is was talking specifically about mRNA
once again, moving the goalposts and putting words in people's mouths...

omnigun

EUA is different than Full Approval...

Yes.   But it's not like there is no approvals. They needed to do testing to even get to that stage.   🙄

drck1000

from your google:

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?
An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.
Cites "evidence" to "prove" his argument. . . :facepalm:

Also look at the first citing that came up from that link. . . aicarumba. . .

omnigun

you replied to my post, then implied that is was talking specifically about mRNA
once again, moving the goalposts and putting words in people's mouths...

Please show me where I replied to any of your posts in this thread that i mentioned mRNA. 

macsak

Please show me where I replied to any of your posts in this thread that i mentioned mRNA.

oops
my bad...

drck1000

oops
my bad...
Oooh, burrrnnn. Wop yo jaws!

Haha. Not sure what the issue was, evidence, or fault. But seemed like an appropriate response.

 :rofl:

macsak

Yes.   But it's not like there is no approvals. They needed to do testing to even get to that stage.   🙄

there is no approval
it is an emergency use authorization
focus

macsak

Yes.   But it's not like there is no approvals. They needed to do testing to even get to that stage.   🙄

please show me where i said they didn't do any testing...

Flapp_Jackson

"Testing" is not synonymous with "approvals".

 :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

passivekinetic

"Testing" is not synonymous with "approvals".

 :popcorn:

You are wrong there. There IS testing.

Being conducted right this f*cking minute.

Sample size is pretty big too!

I hear this IS the years long testing that some of us want to see.

I will definitely be checking in on this vaccine in 10 or 20 years to see what happened...
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

Flapp_Jackson

You are wrong there. There IS testing.

Being conducted right this f*cking minute.

Sample size is pretty big too!

I hear this IS the years long testing that some of us want to see.

I will definitely be checking in on this vaccine in 10 or 20 years to see what happened...

I never said there was no testing.  Just no approvals.  Not the same things.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

To get an emergency approval they had to show testing and results....

Flapp_Jackson

To get an emergency approval they had to show testing and results....

"Authorization" is not synonymous with "approval."

They haven't received APPROVAL yet.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

"Authorization" is not synonymous with "approval."

They haven't received APPROVAL yet.

but he's/she's/it's not wrong as long as he/she/it keeps on moving the goalposts...

changemyoil66

Lets keep it simple. Where does any covid vaxx state "FDA approved"?

This is what many unvaxxed are concerned about.

Inb4 goal post is moved


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omnigun

Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

Initially, in phase 1, the vaccine is given to a small number of generally healthy people to assess its safety at increasing doses and to gain early information about how well the vaccine works to induce an immune response in people. In the absence of safety concerns from phase 1 studies, phase 2 studies include more people, where various dosages are tested on hundreds of people with typically varying health statuses and from different demographic groups, in randomized-controlled studies. These studies provide additional safety information on common short-term side effects and risks, examine the relationship between the dose administered and the immune response, and may provide initial information regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine. In phase 3, the vaccine is generally administered to thousands of people in randomized, controlled studies involving broad demographic groups (i.e., the population intended for use of the vaccine) and generates critical information on effectiveness and additional important safety data. This phase provides additional information about the immune response in people who receive the vaccine compared to those who receive a control, such as a placebo.

COVID-19 vaccines are undergoing a rigorous development process that includes tens of thousands of study participants to generate the needed non-clinical, clinical, and manufacturing data. FDA will undertake a comprehensive evaluation of this information submitted by a vaccine manufacturer.

For an EUA to be issued for a vaccine, for which there is adequate manufacturing information to ensure quality and consistency, FDA must determine that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine. An EUA request for a COVID-19 vaccine can be submitted to FDA based on a final analysis of a phase 3 clinical efficacy trial or an interim analysis of such trial, i.e., an analysis performed before the planned end of the trial once the data have met the pre-specified success criteria for the study’s primary efficacy endpoint.

From a safety perspective, FDA expects an EUA submission will include all safety data accumulated from phase 1 and 2 studies conducted with the vaccine, with an expectation that phase 3 data will include a median follow-up of at least 2-months (meaning that at least half of vaccine recipients in phase 3 clinical trials have at least 2 months of follow-up) after completion of the full vaccination regimen. In addition, FDA expects that an EUA request will include a phase 3 safety database of well over 3,000 vaccine recipients, representing a high proportion of participants enrolled in the phase 3 study, who have been followed for serious adverse events and adverse events of special interest for at least one month after completion of the full vaccination regimen.

Part of FDA’s evaluation of an EUA request for a COVID-19 vaccine includes evaluation of the chemistry, manufacturing, and controls information for the vaccine. Sufficient data should be submitted to ensure the quality and consistency of the vaccine product. FDA will use all available tools and information, including records reviews, site visits, and previous compliance history, to assess compliance with current good manufacturing practices.

macsak

Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

Initially, in phase 1, the vaccine is given to a small number of generally healthy people to assess its safety at increasing doses and to gain early information about how well the vaccine works to induce an immune response in people. In the absence of safety concerns from phase 1 studies, phase 2 studies include more people, where various dosages are tested on hundreds of people with typically varying health statuses and from different demographic groups, in randomized-controlled studies. These studies provide additional safety information on common short-term side effects and risks, examine the relationship between the dose administered and the immune response, and may provide initial information regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine. In phase 3, the vaccine is generally administered to thousands of people in randomized, controlled studies involving broad demographic groups (i.e., the population intended for use of the vaccine) and generates critical information on effectiveness and additional important safety data. This phase provides additional information about the immune response in people who receive the vaccine compared to those who receive a control, such as a placebo.

COVID-19 vaccines are undergoing a rigorous development process that includes tens of thousands of study participants to generate the needed non-clinical, clinical, and manufacturing data. FDA will undertake a comprehensive evaluation of this information submitted by a vaccine manufacturer.

For an EUA to be issued for a vaccine, for which there is adequate manufacturing information to ensure quality and consistency, FDA must determine that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine. An EUA request for a COVID-19 vaccine can be submitted to FDA based on a final analysis of a phase 3 clinical efficacy trial or an interim analysis of such trial, i.e., an analysis performed before the planned end of the trial once the data have met the pre-specified success criteria for the study’s primary efficacy endpoint.

From a safety perspective, FDA expects an EUA submission will include all safety data accumulated from phase 1 and 2 studies conducted with the vaccine, with an expectation that phase 3 data will include a median follow-up of at least 2-months (meaning that at least half of vaccine recipients in phase 3 clinical trials have at least 2 months of follow-up) after completion of the full vaccination regimen. In addition, FDA expects that an EUA request will include a phase 3 safety database of well over 3,000 vaccine recipients, representing a high proportion of participants enrolled in the phase 3 study, who have been followed for serious adverse events and adverse events of special interest for at least one month after completion of the full vaccination regimen.

Part of FDA’s evaluation of an EUA request for a COVID-19 vaccine includes evaluation of the chemistry, manufacturing, and controls information for the vaccine. Sufficient data should be submitted to ensure the quality and consistency of the vaccine product. FDA will use all available tools and information, including records reviews, site visits, and previous compliance history, to assess compliance with current good manufacturing practices.

please show where it says in that text that any covid-19 vaccine is "cleared by the government"