Also important is why there are no new religions or recent proof. It's a bit weird that thousands of years ago gods appeared, and since then with modern tech... nothing.   Imagine if you were a God, just doing a few miracles live on TV or enough witnesses and documentation would fix all the falsehoods and get you 100% of earth to worship you.   Even Satan could pull this off and get everyone corrupt at once.   

God creates Adam and Eve.
Tells them don’t eat an apple from the forbidden tree. ( I’m guessing as a test .)
Satan arrives in the form of a serpent and easily manipulates Eve into getting Adam to taste the forbidden apple.
Sin is born.
Somewhere along the line 10 commandments come into play.
False prophet is introduced.
Satan says jackpot and starts introducing false prophets.
Greek, Romans whatever… (even though they’re before the commandments rules might have been in play. God might have been warning us.)

John the Baptist comes along and gets people to direct connect to God.
Satan says can’t have that and sends Jesus with the verse quoted. No way to God but through him.
Only one third of the Earth population bites.
Satan then sends Mohammed as the next false prophet. Another third of the world bites.
Now Satan got two thirds of the world in hell.
Not to mention the Hindi and Buddhists who may also follow false prophets. Etc.

If you’re wrong, you might really be wrong.
Based on your own beliefs.

How does anyone put all their eggs into the basket of which prophet they follow ?

Buddha specifically said he was not a God and people shouldn't worship him, but they didn't listen.

But you bring up an important point, one that has always bothered me. Every culture has a Lucifer / Loki / Raven etc who stole Fire = Knowledge = Enlightenment from the Boss God and gave it to the lowly humans and gifted them Self Awareness. They were dumb animals until they given knowledge.  How are the characters that unshackled Man from ignorance and let them rise above being Beasts somehow the Villains is these stories? Why is  the Sheppard wanting everyone to be good little Sheep the hero?

But you bring up an important point, one that has always bothered me. Every culture has a Lucifer / Loki / Raven etc who stole Fire = Knowledge = Enlightenment from the Boss God and gave it to the lowly humans and gifted them Self Awareness. They were dumb animals until they given knowledge.  How are the characters that unshackled Man from ignorance and let them rise above being Beasts somehow the Villains is these stories? Why is  the Sheppard wanting everyone to be good little Sheep the hero?

Because that threw off homeostasis and equilibrium.
The sheep had no shepherds. They knew how to be sheep and Rams.
Not the people, the sheep.

“How are the characters that unshackled Man from ignorance and let them rise above being Beasts”
Ponder that sentence for few minutes.
Think God thought if I make People smarter it will make this world better ?
Think this is just a failed experiment that God is watching ?

Animals/beasts are dumb ? That’s a presumptive statement.
People are a locust upon the Earth.
Equilibrium and homeostasis are the plan set in motion.
Just my opinion

Here’s a crazy off topic side bar.
Why only Asians and Caucasians went off the trail of equilibrium/homeostasis? (That was probably wrong. Could have a completely wrong conversation on that statement alone.)
And it spread like Covid when greed set in.

And when did this whole one God thing set in ?

Dammit. I need to read up.
Won’t change my beliefs though. 

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Also important is why there are no new religions or recent proof.

Religion and proof.
Two words that should not be used in the same sentence.
How the fawk do you prove a religion ?
I could start a new religion tomorrow with proof being in nature. But it wouldn’t be proof.

Here’s a question for you folks.
Is evolution possible within the time frame they say it took place ?
All current species from a single cell organism ?
No evolution since humans have been around.
Adaptation yes. Evolution no.
Changed from fish to bird ?

Just stuff to think about.

Because that threw off homeostasis and equilibrium.
The sheep had no shepherds. They knew how to be sheep and Rams.
Not the people, the sheep.

“How are the characters that unshackled Man from ignorance and let them rise above being Beasts”
Ponder that sentence for few minutes.
Think God thought if I make People smarter it will make this world better ?
Think this is just a failed experiment that God is watching ?

Animals/beasts are dumb ? That’s a presumptive statement.
People are a locust upon the Earth.
Equilibrium and homeostasis are the plan set in motion.
Just my opinion

Here’s a crazy off topic side bar.
Why only Asians and Caucasians went off the trail of equilibrium/homeostasis? (That was probably wrong. Could have a completely wrong conversation on that statement alone.)
And it spread like Covid when greed set in.

And when did this whole one God thing set in ?

Dammit. I need to read up.
Won’t change my beliefs though. 

A lot of Eastern Religions believe man can reach personal divinity. Something that would be impossible without knowledge of self and men were still automatic like animals.

Religion and proof.
Two words that should not be used in the same sentence.
How the fawk do you prove a religion ?
I could start a new religion tomorrow with proof being in nature. But it wouldn’t be proof.

Here’s a question for you folks.
Is evolution possible within the time frame they say it took place ?
All current species from a single cell organism ?
No evolution since humans have been around.
Adaptation yes. Evolution no.
Changed from fish to bird ?

Just stuff to think about.

Well the stories of many religions would be possible to prove.   Floods, miracles etc can be documented.  Proving God is possible if  he appears and proves his existence.   

I agree with you that creationism isn't possible and we have no evidence of it.   

Religion and proof.
Two words that should not be used in the same sentence.
How the fawk do you prove a religion ?
I could start a new religion tomorrow with proof being in nature. But it wouldn’t be proof.

Here’s a question for you folks.
Is evolution possible within the time frame they say it took place ?
All current species from a single cell organism ?
No evolution since humans have been around.
Adaptation yes. Evolution no.
Changed from fish to bird ?

Just stuff to think about.

won't touch the religion stuff.
Evolution is interesting, but I think the explanation taught by secularists
is pure bull shit.
I find natural selection much more compelling, since we observe that.
But in all mankind is pretty ignorant.
I start with a few obvious ones in physics;

We don't know what gravity is and gravity is the only reason we exist.
You'd think we could figure out what gravity is and thus control it.
We can't.

Where did all the Hydrogen that is the building blocks( that is our present understanding).
of our entire universe come from?  Some big explosion?  Of what?
Can we make Hydrogen?  Nope.

I pick those two because that is the building blocks of all matter as we know it.
Gravity and Hydrogen.

Man is still pretty ignorant and unfortunately arrogant.
Science is never settled, everything is going to change regardless
what we do, and though I'm not ready for AA, the Serenity prayer
comes to mind.
Amen
Just an old Hebrew word for you.
 

Progress is the religion of people who are stupid enough to believe that they know everything.

Religion, by definition, doesn't require proof.  It's based on faith.  Faith is what keeps us going through life even when things seem completely hopeless.

If you're only interested in things that have been proven by others (e.g. a court of law), aren't you going on faith that the "scientists", judges, jurists, witnesses, processes, etc. are infallible, not lying and know everything they are telling you is based on repeatable, demonstrable evidence?

When you hear the CDC doctors and Fauci tell you to do one thing, but don't offer any data to PROVE those things are the BEST methods for providing safety, aren't you going on faith?  Or, did you go read all the background papers and vet the credentials of the people performing all those studies?  I highly doubt most people adamant about vaccines and masks have done any personal research other than Googling a few media outlets' regurgitation of that information.

People who trust Biden and Harris to lead the country have FAITH, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they have accomplished little in their lengthy political careers while making some monumental blunders.

Basically, anyone saying they only believe in proof, science or facts is a liar.  They operate on faith all the time. 

Did you go back over all the things that mechanic did to your car, or do you have faith they didn't make a mistake that can cause a crash?

I think aliens played a part in religions.

I think aliens played a part in religions.

Not proven ....   

Not proven ....   

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Progress is the religion of people who are stupid enough to believe that they know everything.

I know you're being a bit snarky, but that's not far from the truth.

Religion is an acknowledgment that one is not omnipotent ( ), and that there really are things in this vast universe that we as mere mortals do not know or understand.

When something is unexplainable, doesn't it make more sense to believe that things exist even without man's understanding?  To think otherwise is to assume an arrogance that can lead to disaster. 

Marie Currie discovered radiation and was the first woman to win the Nobel Prize.  She died from her own discovery -- radiation poisoning.  Smart enough to discover radium and polonium, but too ignorant to protect herself from their dangers.

The world thought The Titanic was unsinkable.  That was a fact as far as all the experts were concerned.  It only took one voyage to prove how wrong those experts were.

Religion doesn't have to explain how everything works or came to exist.  It simply provides a placeholder for the things we have yet to learn, mainly so we retain a certain degree of humility and realism.

A man's got to know his limitations.
-- Dirty Harry.

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Religion, by definition, doesn't require proof.  It's based on faith.  Faith is what keeps us going through life even when things seem completely hopeless.

If you're only interested in things that have been proven by others (e.g. a court of law), aren't you going on faith that the "scientists", judges, jurists, witnesses, processes, etc. are infallible, not lying and know everything they are telling you is based on repeatable, demonstrable evidence?

When you hear the CDC doctors and Fauci tell you to do one thing, but don't offer any data to PROVE those things are the BEST methods for providing safety, aren't you going on faith?  Or, did you go read all the background papers and vet the credentials of the people performing all those studies?  I highly doubt most people adamant about vaccines and masks have done any personal research other than Googling a few media outlets' regurgitation of that information.

People who trust Biden and Harris to lead the country have FAITH, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they have accomplished little in their lengthy political careers while making some monumental blunders.

Basically, anyone saying they only believe in proof, science or facts is a liar.  They operate on faith all the time. 

Did you go back over all the things that mechanic did to your car, or do you have faith they didn't make a mistake that can cause a crash?

The big difference is that, science can be proven by someone else.   Like that YouTube example.   If science and religion were lost for 1000 years only one could be found exactly the same again.   Eventually with enough time the human species will become omniscient.   There is no limit to science that we know of, we can solve all the mysteries of the universe.     

The big difference is that, science can be proven by someone else.   Like that YouTube example.   If science and religion were lost for 1000 years only one could be found exactly the same again.

That's a hypothetical conclusion that has never been proven is all of history.

It's arrogance that makes you think that everything you know today won't change 1,000 years from now.  Scientists discover new things and disprove old theories all the time.

It only took a few decades to prove Global Cooling and Global Warming were alarmist junk science.  Those "scientific facts" would not have been "exactly the same in 1,000 years."

You like to cling to what is known and pushed as science, but you don't embrace the key, fundamental tenet that makes up what science represents:  That we are to question everything and view results with skepticism, not as some immutable fact that can never be altered.

Funny how the same people screaming "SCIENCE!" think gender and sex are merely social constructs, even though they have been viewed as a scientific fact since recorded history.  Yet, nothing we know today will change 1,000 years from now?

Just like religion, popular scientific knowledge evolves over time.  Saying science won't change in 10 more centuries ignores the enormous changes that occurred in just the last 80 years.

In 1889, Charles H. Duell was the Commissioner of US patent office. He is widely quoted as having stated that the patent office would soon shrink in size, and eventually close, because, “Everything that can be invented has been invented.”

Shortsighted arrogance & ignorance.

I still laugh every time Moron says 'proven by science',  3.7 apparently didn't include any STEM.

Keep drinking that bong water buddy.