Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 299069 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #560 on: March 11, 2022, 02:53:59 PM »
Russian gov't seeks to declare Facebook as 'extremist organization'

https://www.rebelnews.com/russian_govt_seeks_to_declare_facebook_as_extremist_organization

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I mean, are they wrong?

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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #561 on: March 11, 2022, 10:58:33 PM »
US Empire's Bioweapons Labs and Training the Nazis in Ukraine


QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #562 on: March 12, 2022, 06:21:00 AM »
Seems like Russia placed "2nd tier" forces on the borders of Ukraine and eventually into Ukraine itself in the invasion.

They are not performing like top tier combat forces.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #563 on: March 12, 2022, 07:15:29 AM »
Seems like Russia placed "2nd tier" forces on the borders of Ukraine and eventually into Ukraine itself in the invasion.

They are not performing like top tier combat forces.

I’d say it shows an incredible amount of restraint. Putin knows the Brandon administration is doomed once we realize how much damage they did to our country, and our story of national suicide will overshadow his invasion as long as he keeps the civilian body count to a minimum.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #564 on: March 12, 2022, 08:36:39 AM »
I’d say it shows an incredible amount of restraint. Putin knows the Brandon administration is doomed once we realize how much damage they did to our country, and our story of national suicide will overshadow his invasion as long as he keeps the civilian body count to a minimum.

I find this particular conflict fascinating not in a demented way, but in a way how it is being fought vs. how conventional wars were fought in the past.

Trying to get factual information in the midst of partisan MSM and social media is one.

Russia has a horrible record when it comes to potential war crime activity, but I often wonder about this particular conflict.  Are the civilian casualties a result of the type of resistance Ukraine is waging?  A lot of the resistance are civilian soldiers, fighting in residential areas, something the Russians didn't think they would be engaging in. 

The Russians probably thought when they start to roll in the Ukrainians would just give up and let them in.  With their comrades dying because of this civilian resistance it's possible innocent civilians were killed when the Russians went after those resistance fighters who probably took cover in residential buildings.

Not sure if the Russians are intentially bombing residential areas to break morale, or in retaliation to resistance fighters fighting out of the same buildings.

The Ukrainians, Russians, and MSM are all telling their side of the story.  It's hard to know what's really happening out there.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #565 on: March 12, 2022, 08:38:54 AM »
Seems like Russia placed "2nd tier" forces on the borders of Ukraine and eventually into Ukraine itself in the invasion.

They are not performing like top tier combat forces.
Since Russia knows that the US empire is goading military confrontation against Russia now and China soon coming, Putin is strategically marshaling his forces to prepare for the hopefully-can-be-avoided WWIII.  Putin would be falling into the trap the US empire laid for Russia in Ukraine, if Putin sent his best troops to get bogged down there.  Putin is no fool, he has to secure Russia's national security and protect the ethnic Russians living there by kicking out the Nazi elements, which have infiltrated and unofficially control all of Ukraine with the continued financial and military support of the US empire.

This explains why it is taking Russia so long to capture Kiev.  Ukraine is lucky that it is not facing the full conventional military might of Russia.  Putin's genius is also reflected here; as both the Ukrainian Waffen-SS, foreign mercenaries, and the US imperial military advisors currently in Ukraine will have a false sense of confidence against Russian forces that the Russians will later exploit if and when, God forbid, the US imperial military gets involved.
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groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #566 on: March 12, 2022, 08:55:19 AM »
I find this particular conflict fascinating not in a demented way, but in a way how it is being fought vs. how conventional wars were fought in the past.

Trying to get factual information in the midst of partisan MSM and social media is one.

Russia has a horrible record when it comes to potential war crime activity, but I often wonder about this particular conflict.  Are the civilian casualties a result of the type of resistance Ukraine is waging?  A lot of the resistance are civilian soldiers, fighting in residential areas, something the Russians didn't think they would be engaging in. 

The Russians probably thought when they start to roll in the Ukrainians would just give up and let them in.  With their comrades dying because of this civilian resistance it's possible innocent civilians were killed when the Russians went after those resistance fighters who probably took cover in residential buildings.

Not sure if the Russians are intentially bombing residential areas to break morale, or in retaliation to resistance fighters fighting out of the same buildings.

The Ukrainians, Russians, and MSM are all telling their side of the story.  It's hard to know what's really happening out there.
I have to admit the "optics" on this are very confusing.
But it is a Civil war.  Kiev used to be the capitol of what was to become modern European Russia.
So to make judgments based on our American culture would be a mistake.
To believe our Democrat run media would be a grievous error.
This is not our war.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #567 on: March 12, 2022, 08:55:24 AM »
Are the civilian casualties a result of the type of resistance Ukraine is waging?  A lot of the resistance are civilian soldiers, fighting in residential areas, something the Russians didn't think they would be engaging in.

The Russians probably thought when they start to roll in the Ukrainians would just give up and let them in.  With their comrades dying because of this civilian resistance it's possible innocent civilians were killed when the Russians went after those resistance fighters who probably took cover in residential buildings.

Not sure if the Russians are intentially bombing residential areas to break morale, or in retaliation to resistance fighters fighting out of the same buildings.
Granted the fog-of-war, the non-US imperial sources confirm the majority of the Ukrainians are staying out of the fight and/or trying the flee.  According to those sources, the ones doing the fighting are not necessarily the Ukrainian army per se, but the Ukrainian Waffen-SS, foreign mercenaries, and under cover US imperial special forces.  Given their tenacity and guidance from their US imperial military advisors, those Nazi forces have gone to urban style warfare, since Russia has successfully prevented any type of centralized coordinated defense.

For their own survival, those Ukrainian elements and their foreign allies that are doing the fighting are effectively using the Ukrainian populace as human shields.  From non-US imperial sources, it is the forces fighting with the Ukrainian Waffen-SS that are not allowing common Ukrainians to flee the fighting and are threatening them with death, if they do, rather than the Russians.  However, when Ukrainian civilian casualties do occur, US imperial propaganda automatically blames the Russians.

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #568 on: March 12, 2022, 09:23:42 AM »
Since Russia knows that the US empire is goading military confrontation against Russia now and China soon coming, Putin is strategically marshaling his forces to prepare for the hopefully-can-be-avoided WWIII.  Putin would be falling into the trap the US empire laid for Russia in Ukraine, if Putin sent his best troops to get bogged down there.  Putin is no fool, he has to secure Russia's national security and protect the ethnic Russians living there by kicking out the Nazi elements, which have infiltrated and unofficially control all of Ukraine with the continued financial and military support of the US empire.

This explains why it is taking Russia so long to capture Kiev.  Ukraine is lucky that it is not facing the full conventional military might of Russia.  Putin's genius is also reflected here; as both the Ukrainian Waffen-SS, foreign mercenaries, and the US imperial military advisors currently in Ukraine will have a false sense of confidence against Russian forces that the Russians will later exploit if and when, God forbid, the US imperial military gets involved.

cool story, bro...

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #569 on: March 12, 2022, 09:40:08 AM »
cool story, bro...

Nobody knows what’s going on tactically. All that we know is that the body count is significantly lower that it would be if Putin decided to really drop the hammer and not give civilians every reasonable opportunity to get out.

He’s a bully, but he knows better than to gain a reputation as a butcher especially when his enemies are so close to destroying themselves.
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aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #570 on: March 12, 2022, 10:18:59 AM »
Facebook and Instagram now allow calls for violence — but only against Russians

https://www.rebelnews.com/facebook_and_instagram_now_allow_calls_for_violence_but_only_against_russians

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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #571 on: March 12, 2022, 02:39:46 PM »
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #572 on: March 12, 2022, 02:45:00 PM »
Facebook and Instagram now allow calls for violence — but only against Russians

https://www.rebelnews.com/facebook_and_instagram_now_allow_calls_for_violence_but_only_against_russians
Just reinforces the US imperial mantra:  "Russia is bad; Trump, Putin, & Xi are evil; and China is next on the hit list".

What is sad is that many Americans and politicians of both cheeks of the same political buttock hold these insane and delusional beliefs to heart even to the threat of WWIII.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #573 on: March 12, 2022, 02:46:34 PM »
Goes to show the power and influence of the US imperial propaganda machine on most common people.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #574 on: March 12, 2022, 02:49:53 PM »
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DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #575 on: March 13, 2022, 09:10:54 PM »
It does not matter which side you're on, but the Ukrainians showed a lot of ingenuity in targeting a Russian ship, whether the mission was successful or not.

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #576 on: March 13, 2022, 09:30:58 PM »


We are witnessing the long term effects of eating white glue in kindergarten. Had a student that did that.
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RSN172

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #577 on: March 13, 2022, 09:35:06 PM »

No need worry about WW3. I did not give Biden, Putin, Jinping or Kim permission to start yet.
Happily living in Puna

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #578 on: March 13, 2022, 11:09:40 PM »
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QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #579 on: March 14, 2022, 06:36:53 AM »
Some really sad sh*t happened Yesterday.

U.S Journalist killed in Irpin.  Russian soldiers opened fire on their car.

Ukrainian mother in Mariupol died, along with her unborn baby, after Russians shelled the maternal hospital she was due to give birth in. Her abdomen was crushed and her hip was separated, and she cried out "Kill Me!" when it was apparent her baby would not survive.

Conditions in same city is so dire that the Red Cross is appealing for a cease fire, as basic necessities of food, water, clothing, and medicine is needed, along with a safe corrider for civilians to escape.  Dead bodies of soldiers and civilians lay where they fell.

This indiscriminate killings are beginning to get to me.  Why isn't that f**ker pootin attacking the military infrastructure.  I understand collateral damage in War but these seemingly indiscriminate killings cannot go without accountability.

A lot of these atrocities seem to be from Russian Artillery.  Ukraine needs airpower to take them out.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.