Totally tragic & the shooter is a F'N coward & sick! Thoughts & prayers to the victims/family.
But the focus & push would still be on the guns..looked like he owned a Daniel Defense  w/an Eotech, & a Springfield Saint (a2)
With NRA conference coming this weekend in Houston, would yall think it was a coincidence?

Don't forget the 9th circuit ruling about 18 year olds. 2nd 18 year old shooter in a few weeks of the ruling.  Prior to, when was the last 18 year old shooter?  I'm going by memory and wanna say Columbine?

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I've often thought the same.
I'll bet it would be easy to form something like a neighborhood watch program just for schools.
I would gladly volunteer for the school near my house.

another narrative of "we dont want guns around the children"
Weel, its eithe good guys with guns or bad guys with guns. Choose

Here we go again….

Amazingly convenient timing, no?

These are NOT random events.

another narrative of "we dont want guns around the children"
Weel, its eithe good guys with guns or bad guys with guns. Choose

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If I were to run an overwatch program, I would have  volunteers dress in plain clothes and carry 2 small pepper sprays and 2 cellphones.
Because 2 is one and 1 is none.

Looks like he passed all the background checks.
Reportedly Bought guns legally from FFL gun shop.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/

schools need to secure their perimeter better.  so it's not so easy to just walk or drive on to the campus
like Kamehameha has a pretty secure entry, basically 1 road in.  although I hear there is a back road.  but still very difficult to just drive or walk in unseen

schools need to build more walls, fences, have tighter security to screen people that don't belong there. 

Unofficial word is he made threats to shoot up the school. Was teased because he wore eye liner.

CCW permits for parents?   

And get rid of gun free zones? (Soft targets)

CCW permits for parents?   

And get rid of gun free zones? (Soft targets)

Texas issues CCW's, unlike HI. The problem is the Federal Gun Free School Zone act.  You cannot be within 1000 feet of a school with a gun, unless it is in a locked case.  Or you can CCW, but you need that states issued CCW permit (no reciprocity). So this means no open carry. Many do not enforce this law, as it is more of an add on charge. When I last looked into this around 2018, about 50 people nation wide were charged with violating this. 1 guy was challenging it because he was not a felon, but 996 feet near a school when he was pulled over for tint. IDK what came about his challenge.  But think about Hi, how many schools do you pass on the way to the range?  Everyone should have their gun in a locked case. No gun socks or card board box the gun came in as they drive to the range.

Then there is directly on school property, you need the permission from the principal or someone of that authority to carry. So parents dropping their kids off in the parking lot (school property) cannot CCW even with a CCW permit.  So if a parent is carrying, they would have to drop their kids off on the side walk and have their states issued CCW permit.

Doesn't this federal law make so much sense?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uvalde-school-shooting-suspect-was-a-loner-who-bought-two-assault-rifles-for-his-18th-birthday/ar-AAXIzpO?fbclid=IwAR0pnKgc6A1AnmBDjbUgHLyzvcTHJjCoA7iEHG7Ym2MbABr982ZxOamKIFY

Bullied in school. Sent msg's via FB that he was gonna shoot his grandma, he shot his grandma, and was going to shoot up a school.

Classmates called him "the school shooter" when he was in school. So sounds like we need to teach kids to not pick on anyone, even if they're a loner, poor, etc...Because you might be adding fuel to the fire.

This was the case in Columbine by mainly the jocks.  Not all were bad, they let 1 jock go because he was nice to them (In the parking lot and the jock was wearing his letterman, they told him to leave).  IDK about other school shootings at the top of my head that involved a student and bullying.

On  an interesting turn of events, my father who is pretty anti 2a, I asked him if he had any questions about this. He said that no more laws could have prevented this because a sick individual won't obey any laws.

One thing the government has not tried is DNA profiling. Ok, 5th amendment advocates will scream about self-incrimination, but the workaround is to set up the database first, and get samples from known killers like Richard Ramirez and Salvador Ramos (notice how these two look alike). When the mother of a future killer gets an amniocentesis, the DNA lab can warn her about abnormalities that are similar to those of serial killers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5945301/

Ramos failed to graduate from high school, which is another positive indicator. Texas could have forced him to wait until he was 21 before he was allowed to purchase or possess a weapon.

As a gun owner, these shootings are very "Tragic".  But everyone (aka Politicians) must put everything on the side and come up with something that will work (Simple )  Guns don't kill people!  When the "mentally" unstable go off the "deep end", anything can happen.  Use of a knife, Car, Bomb etc.

Ever if we were to "Ban" guns or "Certain" guns, this won't really 'fix" the problem facing the US today.

Is :"SOCIAL MEDIA" part to blame?  should we "BAN" that?

Are Automobiles to Blame?  Should we "Ban" That?

Seems most democrats think "GUNS" are evil.

When watching the Texas Gov at his news conference, a very large part of the picture emerged in my mind:  "MENTAL ILLNESS".

For all of the "LEGAL" gun owners, i think when the media does their research, they will find most gun owners are very law abiding!

Do we need better monitoring of SOCAL MEDIA Platforms?  It's the "SEE SOMETHING< SAY SOMETHING" that needs to be done.

In these past mass shooting events, there were individuals that knew something was going to happen.

Yet they said nothing.....

It's Sad....When I was raised, we:

1)  Right or wrong respected our Elders
2) Respected Law enforcment
3) didn't really use Social Media since there was no internet

I was born in the 60's. 

Well Just my 2 cents

Take care everyone!

Pray for the US!

Stay safe

Support the 2A

Aloha!

Texas issues CCW's, unlike HI. The problem is the Federal Gun Free School Zone act.  You cannot be within 1000 feet of a school with a gun, unless it is in a locked case.  Or you can CCW, but you need that states issued CCW permit (no reciprocity). So this means no open carry. Many do not enforce this law, as it is more of an add on charge. When I last looked into this around 2018, about 50 people nation wide were charged with violating this. 1 guy was challenging it because he was not a felon, but 996 feet near a school when he was pulled over for tint. IDK what came about his challenge.  But think about Hi, how many schools do you pass on the way to the range?  Everyone should have their gun in a locked case. No gun socks or card board box the gun came in as they drive to the range.

Then there is directly on school property, you need the permission from the principal or someone of that authority to carry. So parents dropping their kids off in the parking lot (school property) cannot CCW even with a CCW permit.  So if a parent is carrying, they would have to drop their kids off on the side walk and have their states issued CCW permit.

Doesn't this federal law make so much sense?

CMO I think Texas is constitutional carry so they don’t even need to get CCW permit. Also I thought Abbot signed legislation that for 172+ school district that allow teachers to CCW in school? I wonder if uvalde was in that district?

This one is certainly different. Steve Kerr acting on the podium, Beto interrupting Abbots press conference, Moore calling for the repeal of the 2nd amendment. If we can survive this one I think we’ll be ok. Anyone here remember the gun climate when sandy hook happened?

One thing the government has not tried is DNA profiling. Ok, 5th amendment advocates will scream about self-incrimination, but the workaround is to set up the database first, and get samples from known killers like Richard Ramirez and Salvador Ramos (notice how these two look alike). When the mother of a future killer gets an amniocentesis, the DNA lab can warn her about abnormalities that are similar to those of serial killers.

Nice try Bill Gates. No you can't patent my gene sequence and invent new diseases as an excuse to sell it back to me.

One thing the government has not tried is DNA profiling. Ok, 5th amendment advocates will scream about self-incrimination, but the workaround is to set up the database first, and get samples from known killers like Richard Ramirez and Salvador Ramos (notice how these two look alike). When the mother of a future killer gets an amniocentesis, the DNA lab can warn her about abnormalities that are similar to those of serial killers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5945301/

Ramos failed to graduate from high school, which is another positive indicator. Texas could have forced him to wait until he was 21 before he was allowed to purchase or possess a weapon.

This is an entire new rabbit hole to go down. This prediction of DNA usage would be like red flag laws or Minority Report type of situations.

Also another hole to go down is the age to own a gun.  Which is what's in the court system (9th circuit). So (2) 18 year old shooters within weeks of the ruling. 1 has to ask questions on the timing.  Never mind the 18 or younger gang related shootings in other cities.

CMO I think Texas is constitutional carry so they don’t even need to get CCW permit. Also I thought Abbot signed legislation that for 172+ school district that allow teachers to CCW in school? I wonder if uvalde was in that district?

This one is certainly different. Steve Kerr acting on the podium, Beto interrupting Abbots press conference, Moore calling for the repeal of the 2nd amendment. If we can survive this one I think we’ll be ok. Anyone here remember the gun climate when sandy hook happened?

Even if a state is constitutional carry, that is state level law. Federal law still requires a CCW permit for 1000ft school zones.  Which is why some AZ residents still get their CCW, because it doesn't trump federal law.

IDK if the school was part of it, but we do know that neither of the teachers were armed because there is no mention of them attempting to shoot back or a handgun found on the teacher or in her hands.  Many people think because TX is pro 2a, that everyone is carrying. But this is very untrue. My wife visited various cities (all major cities there are blue) and didn't see 1 person open carrying. A few years ago had that Walmart in  El Paso shooting and no one as armed to return fire.

Beto is just there to get his name in the papers. Such a scumbag.

Per Colin Noir, the school banned teachers and staff from carrying.

“His grandson did not know how to drive and did not have a driver's license, said Reyes, who said he was unsure how Ramos had purchased the weapons.”

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-185152965.html

“His grandson did not know how to drive and did not have a driver's license, said Reyes, who said he was unsure how Ramos had purchased the weapons.”

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-185152965.html

State ID. He worked at Wendys and had to cash his checks somehow.

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