It's gotta be a mistake, think they meant type 2 if open carrying which makes sense.

https://www.honolulupd.org/rules-of-the-chief-of-police/
I notice there are no dates (other than the future October____2022
Found nothing on the "Way Back Machine"

Looks like a lot of overlapping and redundancy with Chapter 134Even some discrepancy's between the two.
It also has 6 more pages
And I don't see Rapback in the §15-15 Procedures for acquiring and registering firearms.
Are we gonna get our money back 
If I'm not in step with something here LMK

    TMTR right now.
Would probably have t print HPD Chief Rules and Chap 134 and go lie by line.

I cannot find anything about these rules of the chief online either. At first I thought maybe they were C&C ordinances of HAR rules but couldn't find anything either. This is a weird one, very curious how these rules are grounded and made/changed.

Nothing about a level/type holster for off duty cops.

https://www.honolulupd.org/policy/policy-uniforms-equipment-and-firearms/

C. Off-Duty Officers

1. All off-duty officers shall be in possession
of the badge, identification card, pistol in a
holster, and handcuffs at all times except as follows:

a. They shall not physically handle department-
issued or supplemental firearms while consuming
alcohol or any substance which is likely to impair
their physical or mental processes;

b. When wearing/carrying a weapon or other police
equipment is very conspicuous or impractical;

This can be brought up at the hearing. "What about you guys when off duty carrying?"

I honestly think this is a type about the lvl 2.

Nothing about a level/type holster for off duty cops.

https://www.honolulupd.org/policy/policy-uniforms-equipment-and-firearms/

C. Off-Duty Officers

1. All off-duty officers shall be in possession
of the badge, identification card, pistol in a
holster, and handcuffs at all times except as follows:

a. They shall not physically handle department-
issued or supplemental firearms while consuming
alcohol or any substance which is likely to impair
their physical or mental processes;

b. When wearing/carrying a weapon or other police
equipment is very conspicuous or impractical;

Nothing about a level/type holster for off duty cops.

https://www.honolulupd.org/policy/policy-uniforms-equipment-and-firearms/

C. Off-Duty Officers

1. All off-duty officers shall be in possession
of the badge, identification card, pistol in a
holster, and handcuffs at all times except as follows:

a. They shall not physically handle department-
issued or supplemental firearms while consuming
alcohol or any substance which is likely to impair
their physical or mental processes;

b. When wearing/carrying a weapon or other police
equipment is very conspicuous or impractical;

I keep asking what is their standard for annual qualifying ?

And do they have to qualify for concealed carry annually as they should be in possession of a firearm while off duty unless it’s conspicuous or impractical or they are out drinking?

Higher standard. They don’t get charged with reckless endangerment when they miss the perp’s car for jiminy’s sake…with multiple shots…never mind missed the person with a ridiculous number of rounds.
But I get what your sayin’. That’ll be their story and their sticking’ to it.

I cannot find anything about these rules of the chief online either. At first I thought maybe they were C&C ordinances of HAR rules but couldn't find anything either. This is a weird one, very curious how these rules are grounded and made/changed.

HPD hasn't implemented the actual RAPBACK because the FBI doesn't do it.

§15-27 Revocation. (a) Revocation of License.
(1) The following will immediately result in revocation of all of a licensee’s
Concealed Licenses:

(C) Where the licensee has been found carrying a firearm without a Type 2 or
higher holster.
(D) Where a licensee who does not possess an Unconcealed License has been
found carrying a firearm that is not concealed.
....

Why do they want to require you to use a huge type 2 holster?




They want you to print, then automatic revocation, because you are now carrying unconcealed.

**IF** they require a specific holster type for the test (big "if"), that's for the test.  Once you pass, you will be able to use whatever holster you choose.

There's nothing in the law requiring a specific type of holster for concealed carry that I found.  At least, not yet.

If you can choose what gun to carry, you should also be able to choose what holster works best for it.

Just tossing that out.  I think people are getting wrapped around the axle over a bunch of DRAFT rules that aren't official.  Good to discuss, but DANG!  The amount of hysteria over this is just surprising.

So, if the Cops expect you to carry a bulky level 2 holster concealed and it doesn't actually conceal, they can (1) get you for printing with the required holster or, (2) get you for NOT printing, because you obviously aren't wearing the required type of holster!

 

I like your optimism, but I’m not holding my breath that any of our comments/testimony to these rules are going to be considered. It’s going to go through with the attitude of “sue me”.  Then we can drag it out in court for a few more decades.

I’d like to be completely wrong on this. But the pattern says otherwise.

I keep asking what is their standard for annual qualifying ?

SNIP

Agree.  One of the main points of my written testimony concerns how they drafted the rules regarding the type/level 2 holster.  In Hawaii with light clothing almost year-round, the holster will print plain and simple, leading to dangerous and legal consequences for the concealed carrier.

Just like voting, I continue to submit testimony, because it's the best I can do.  And in reality, that's about all I can do as a concerned citizen.

I can also argue and complain with conviction.  And shut down those who offer a counter argument but has done nothing either for or against the issue at hand.

I like your optimism, but I’m not holding my breath that any of our comments/testimony to these rules are going to be considered. It’s going to go through with the attitude of “sue me”.  Then we can drag it out in court for a few more decades.

I’d like to be completely wrong on this. But the pattern says otherwise.

It's not difficult to get that info.  If/when you try, make sure you fly Inspector in and have OF there to "mark" your hits. . .