hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines??? (Read 9928 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2022, 12:55:39 PM »
The problem with that presumption is that Russia or any other OPEC nation for that matter do not have a history of blowing up their own pipelines which are those countries primary source of income.  Those who do sabotage and/or destroy oil and natural gas pipelines do so as an act of war or terrorism in order to stop that resource flow to prevent the exporting nation from earning money and wreak havoc on those who need those resources.

You don't think reducing the supply to Europe will drive up prices for years?  Is it worth the cost to drive a wedge between the US and NATO allies using energy demand and Russia's supplies?

Once a commodity becomes scarce, the price goes up multiple times as those willing and able to purchase bid on the remaining product.  Unless there's a cheaper source to compete, the prices are controlled by the producers.  It's why it's so important for the US to maintain the energy independence path Trump set us moving along.

OPEC is once again announcing cuts to production.  Expect gas prices to soar in late 2022 and all of 2023.  And since almost all goods and services in the US depend on energy for production and distribution, inflation will also rise making everything cost more.

This is the scenario we were warned about during the 1970s and Carter's fuel shortages.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2022, 03:40:22 PM »
Oil Cartels Join Forces With Russia,
Gas Prices Will Skyrocket,
Biden Has Screwed Us


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2022, 06:15:00 PM »

Gas Prices Will Skyrocket,
Forcing up the cost of fuel has been a wet dream for liberal greenies for decades.

Always was the strategy to force stopping using fossil fuel:
Make it unaffordable, so the rubes come begging for mass transit, or something......

The fraud Bidet* is only their tool in implementing the treasonous agenda.

Kuleana

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2022, 09:43:33 PM »
Is it worth the cost to drive a wedge between the US and NATO allies using energy demand and Russia's supplies?
That's the question that I have been sharing my take in my posts on this thread.

From my standpoint, the US empire is purposely preventing Russia oil from reaching Europe via sabotaging the Nordstream pipelines in order to keep Europe as a vassal state economically dependent on the US empire, while at the same time gouging Europe with high-cost US imperial energy exports in lieu of Russian natural gas.

Furthermore, it is the US empire that is willing to exacerbate the current global recessionary forces in the delusional and futile hope by egging on more global economic hardships, it will deprive Russia energy revenue as well as somehow derail Chinese economic growth.

Suffice-to-say, the recent agreements among OPEC as well as the expansion of BRICS along with the Global South and Africa are nevertheless moving towards a multipolar World not dictated or dominated by the US empire.

hvybarrels

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2022, 11:52:28 PM »
What if it was Poland working in concert with the UK?

The good news is there appears to be a military back channel between the US and Russia, which is why they haven’t launched a counter offensive to take our satellites or something.

Fascinating discussion with Tom Luongo on the grumpy old curmudgeon podcast

https://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-364-wild-western-civ-shoot-out-with-tom-luongo/

Maybe it’s not entirely accurate, but it’s better thought out than the caveman logic that most people are defaulting to at the moment.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Kuleana

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2023, 06:54:07 PM »
So, the senile old fool did give the order for the US empire to take out the Nordstream Pipeline.

groveler

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2023, 07:51:02 PM »
So, the senile old fool did give the order for the US empire to take out the Nordstream Pipeline.
Y'all


Y'all know I'd be happy to kill your EMPIRE.
Hawaii kingdom doesn't mean a damn thing to me.
Maybe you should consider that,
monacrchy lover.
I don't even like all the islands being ruled by the one.
Oahu.
Seems to me the BI was where Kamakhaea was born.
I guartee you if BI ran Hawaii , Oahu woud be
driftwood.
American empire did not destroy Hawaii
Democrat party did.
 :grrr: >:D


hvybarrels

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2023, 08:49:34 PM »
Y'all know I'd be happy to kill your EMPIRE.
Hawaii kingdom doesn't mean a damn thing to me.
Maybe you should consider that,
monacrchy lover.
I don't even like all the islands being ruled by the one.
Oahu.
Seems to me the BI was where Kamakhaea was born.
I guartee you if BI ran Hawaii , Oahu woud be
driftwood.
American empire did not destroy Hawaii
Democrat party did.
 :grrr: >:D

They had Kalakaua. We have Biden
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

groveler

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2023, 10:54:58 PM »
They had Kalakaua. We have Biden
Kalakaua. was by far a more honorable man.
Biden is an insult to the USA. I am ashamed he is the same race as me.
I wonder if racial classifications are legimate.
I sure as hell wasn't born that stupid.
I am ashamed of all the people that voted for him.
We don't need people like that.
Perhaps B Gates has the right idea,  get rid of them.
BTW didn't Hawaii choose the ass Biden by a landslide?
Green, Mink, Inoyhe, Akaka, Rhodes, I could go on.
Says something about piss poor choices Hawaiians make.
 :wtf: :wave:
Aloha

hvybarrels

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2023, 10:49:13 AM »
Kalakaua. was by far a more honorable man.
Biden is an insult to the USA. I am ashamed he is the same race as me.
I wonder if racial classifications are legimate.
I sure as hell wasn't born that stupid.
I am ashamed of all the people that voted for him.
We don't need people like that.
Perhaps B Gates has the right idea,  get rid of them.
BTW didn't Hawaii choose the ass Biden by a landslide?
Green, Mink, Inoyhe, Akaka, Rhodes, I could go on.
Says something about piss poor choices Hawaiians make.
 :wtf: :wave:
Aloha

From a Kingdom perspective Kalakaua was loyal to a foreign power and “appointed” because they thought he would be easy to manipulate. When the setup was complete they betrayed him, took control, and tossed him aside. It’s not an identical situation to Beijing Biden, but it’s close enough to hear the historical echo.

Kamehameha was a competent warlord. His successors not so much. Typical rich kid syndrome, which is why our founding fathers were looking for an alternative to effete monarchies. It was a bold experiment that brought an unprecedented era of prosperity while it lasted. Unfortunately we didn’t keep up with the maintenance.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

groveler

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2023, 12:54:21 PM »
From a Kingdom perspective Kalakaua was loyal to a foreign power and “appointed” because they thought he would be easy to manipulate. When the setup was complete they betrayed him, took control, and tossed him aside. It’s not an identical situation to Beijing Biden, but it’s close enough to hear the historical echo.

Kamehameha was a competent warlord. His successors not so much. Typical rich kid syndrome, which is why our founding fathers were looking for an alternative to effete monarchies. It was a bold experiment that brought an unprecedented era of prosperity while it lasted. Unfortunately we didn’t keep up with the maintenance.
A little off topic
I think we should have blown the pipielines.
Germans were idiots. Russians raped their grandmothers and they want to do business with them.
Germans. good engineers,  bad social skills.

America required morality of it's citizenry. A Religious thing, Morality.
I'm not going to preach here, but if you don't submitb to the comamnds of a higher authority
then you are destined to be ruled by heaten idiots that make up rules as they see fit.
Kings, queens, and Democracy.
I was given 10 simple rules to follow.
For the most part I have done so.
Most people I live with seem to think otherwise.
Thus America fails.
 :wtf:


Kuleana

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2023, 09:15:21 PM »
Not a surprise.

Trump himself alludes to who was responsible for blowing up the Nord Stream Pipeline and clearly states it was not Russia to Tucker Carlson.


hvybarrels

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2023, 09:18:35 PM »
The world's largest environmental disaster brought to you by the "green revolution" party that won't STFU about saving the planet.

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Kuleana

Re: hmmmmm, who blew up the nordstream pipelines???
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2023, 09:49:53 AM »
The world's largest environmental disaster brought to you by the "green revolution" party that won't STFU about saving the planet.
Totally correct, but let's not understate the level of evil, never mind crimes against humanity, that the US empire is willing to commit to maintain their dominance in the World.

Blowing up the pipelines of your so-called allies will be seen years later, if the planet avoids nuclear holocaust caused by the US empire, as the key event that turned the rest of the "Free World" against US imperial dominance.