Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings (Read 7303 times)

Stack_Xchange

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2022, 07:54:44 AM »
"We can academically discuss these topics forever (we already have to an extent), but unless this somehow leads to a high degree of success in identifying these types of people BEFORE they kill, it's just that -- academic."
It is all about control.
It is easy to identify people that are "off", by how much they need to control other things. People like Police, Politicians, bureaucrats, administrators, company mid level managers, are good examples of legal nut cases.
Where to worry is the less visible insecure nutcases. Those we know about but can't do anything about.
  I know people, I won't sell guns to, because they're nuts.
We used to live in a free society and the price of that is, someone will sell or allow that nutcase to get a gun. So it isn't academic, it is a fact of life.
Arm yourselves accordingly.
 :popcorn:

There have been some wild assertions in this thread, but I think instead of trying to argue, I'd rather just "add to the pot" at this point.

Professions like law-enforcement, the military, law, business, and even medicine are particularly attractive to those with psychopathic traits. Think of a police officer or soldier who "shoots first and asks questions later", or a defense attorney who is defending a serial offender and gloats they got someone off of a murder charge, or a corporate "hostile takeover" specialist who destroys a company for a quick profit, or the infamous "gain of function" research that may have led to the creation of COVID-19.

Not every psychopath is a Dahmer-esque serial killer. That's just stuff for the movies. In fact, neuroscience tells us that people with psychopathic brains are different and that the anti-social classification no longer applies to all those with suspected psychopathy. This is why not every psychopath has ASPD and not everyone with ASPD is a psychopath. Pro-social psychopaths are basically those "serial killers" who engage in "legal killings" and blend in with society, rather than completely rejecting it.

A good friend of mine is a psychologist, and her favorite joke is "1 in 4 Adults has a diagnosable mental illness. Think of your 3 best friends. If it's not them, it's you". The fact is, lots of people have mental illnesses and the fields of psychology and psychiatry are very, very different.

astroboy

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2022, 08:12:50 AM »
We currently have programs to help girls achieve success in various fields. These programs are working.
The majority of college students are now female. The majority of grads are also female.
It is time to help boys. The femenization of our educational system has left boys behind.
Girls raised in the same family and conditions as male mass murders do not become murders.

   

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2022, 11:00:28 AM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2022, 12:32:10 PM »
We currently have programs to help girls achieve success in various fields. These programs are working.
The majority of college students are now female. The majority of grads are also female.
It is time to help boys. The femenization of our educational system has left boys behind.
Girls raised in the same family and conditions as male mass murders do not become murders.

SNIP
Nah.  They either just kill their SO slowly over time, breaking them down.  Or, they hold all of that inside, breeding the next generator of psychopaths. . .  I've seen it with one of my best friend's wives. . . truly scary  :shake:

oldfart

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2022, 01:23:23 PM »
This is simplistic and wrong.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2022, 01:56:55 PM »
This is simplistic and wrong.


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Yep.  Words get in the way.  Called word salad.  Some people love to hear the noise they make.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Stack_Xchange

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2022, 02:55:00 PM »
Oh my goodness. That's not even what Occam's Razor actually is, and even if it was, it's not considered an axiom in formal logic. The problem here is perception.

Lets say some people are playing tic-tac-toe in the dirt while others are playing Fisher960 blindfolded. The people playing tic-tac-toe are citing Occam's Razor to argue against proposed moves in Fisher960.

Occam's Razor in this context would mean a preference to the "simpler" checkmate in 1, versus the option of a "complicated" checkmate in 42, provided that a checkmate in 1 is possible. It does not mean "checkmate in 42 is too hard, therefore, a checkmate in less moves must exist".

groveler

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2022, 04:45:48 PM »
This is simplistic and wrong.
You might be right. I'd  use a big truck in the middle of a gay pride parade.
But I'm not a sociopath.
Aloha.
 :shaka:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2022, 04:58:01 PM »
You obviously do not understand. Long gun? What century is that? You mean a rifle? Have you ever been to the field? Even in Hawaii weapons are assigned, stored in arms room, checked out for duty and ranges or field exercises. When you are in the field you have your weapon at all times. Maybe not in the Air Force. There's a better chance to not have to make drastic changes to re-zero a weapon when they are assigned.

i understand perfectly.  "Long gun" is not my term.  It's in common use everywhere including Hawaii forms and the ATF.  It is a category that includes rifles and shotguns.  if you ever bought a firearm, you'd know that.

Have you ever applied for a permit or registered one in Hawaii?  I'm starting to think you never owned a gun in your life.

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/minimum-age-gun-sales-and-transfers




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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kalikikopa

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2022, 05:32:29 PM »
This is simplistic and wrong.

https://spectator.org/mass-shootings-in-gun-free-zones/

"The elimination of gun-free zones may not prove to be the definitive answer, but the evidence indicates that it should be tried. Otherwise we will attempt the same old failed solutions over and over again while expecting a different result. To continue doing that is the very definition of insanity."

aletheuo137

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2022, 06:44:40 PM »
This is simplistic and wrong.
Doesn't understand "law abiding people"?

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QUIETShooter

Re: Mental illness is not the cause of mass school shootings
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2022, 07:41:50 PM »
Doesn't understand "law abiding people"?

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Doesn't understand.  Period.  :rofl:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.