I wish they would just hurry the hell up!!!!!!
we been waiting 6 months already
so much BS   

I agree.  I really believe the range could have opened sooner.  Now with this weather it will take longer I'd bet.

I heard after all mods it’ll be one open rifle/pistol range. Imagine shooting and the pistol clubs have a match? It’ll be a slow…slow day.

I just watched the video again on the press conference they had a couple of weeks ago.  It’s mentioned that they plan to operate as one range until they can do construction on a new wall.

I agree.  I really believe the range could have opened sooner.  Now with this weather it will take longer I'd bet.

knowing our C&C, that would be a pretty safe bet

I just watched the video again on the press conference they had a couple of weeks ago.  It’s mentioned that they plan to operate as one range until they can do construction on a new wall.

Then it’ll close for 9 months to build a wall.
Why aren’t they building the wall concurrent with the berm work ?
With the equipment they have on-site wall should be two three weeks.

Then it’ll close for 9 months to build a wall.
Why aren’t they building the wall concurrent with the berm work ?
With the equipment they have on-site wall should be two three weeks.

That makes too much sense for the City of Honolulu. They need to have a contract out made to some politically connected contractor to build "a wall".

Then it’ll close for 9 months to build a wall.
Why aren’t they building the wall concurrent with the berm work ?
With the equipment they have on-site wall should be two three weeks.

From what was said in the interview it seemed like they need to do a capital improvement project and get funds allocated.  There were some funds set aside for berm remediation but I think they're using that to add material to the berm and do the simple short term fixes to get the range opened.

I agree.  I really believe the range could have opened sooner.  Now with this weather it will take longer I'd bet.

lets not forget that the workers had elevated levels. regardless of the politics, I think the shutdown and improvements will be a good thing in the long run. also dont forget about the ricochet incident(s).

Wish we had the same sentiment about the legal range.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/03/02/air-rescues-down-nearly-50-koko-crater-trail-following-repairs-by-volunteers/

“The answer isn’t always shutting things down,” said Lena Haapala with the Kokonut Koalition. “It’s bringing people together, and we all know this is a volunteer, and we were just determined to get it done and make it safe and keep it open, and that’s what we did.”

Then it’ll close for 9 months to build a wall.
Why aren’t they building the wall concurrent with the berm work ?
With the equipment they have on-site wall should be two three weeks.

When I was still working (construction) I have seen unbelievable things as to what a professional masonry contractor can do as far as building a cement block wall.

They can build it fast.  Very fast with no compromise in quality and workmanship.

But yeah.  Nobody seems to be in a hurry to take care of the 2a community down there.

To me it almost seems like our government is sending a subliminal message:

"We (government) hold the hammer.....not you (the people)."

So you people just shut up and continue to follow in lockstep......

A solid grouted masonry wall the height of the existing (or previous wall) should not take more than a week.  Even if they poured the grout in three lifts (say 4 to 6 feet per lift).  However, if the "experts" determined that the foundation or subgrade (material below the footing) is the issue, then that may take a while longer.  Used to design and do inspections for those things in a former life, so not sure what is current. 

I noticed the wall was tilted and cracks seems to get worse here and there.  A$$umed it was due to ground settlement, or at least it looked like it.

My 2 to 3 weeks included footing excavation, re-pour, stack ‘em and grout ‘em.
Excavation might takes couple days because I assume they’re retaining.
But with the heavy equipment they’re using and have parked on site, should be fast.
And they’re bringing in dirt so back fill should easy.
Especially if they’re knocking it down anyway.
I don’t know about the engineering of the thing. They’ll probably require a geotechnical stamp for a wall because that’s how the City rolls.
Drck would know better though. 

Or are they that dumb that they’re gonna leave the compromised wall standing and just sync up rifle and pistol sides ?
 And it’s a later project, closure.

That makes too much sense for the City of Honolulu. They need to have a contract out made to some politically connected contractor to build "a wall".

Don't forget plans and engineering. It has lasted like it is for HOW? many years, but we gotta completely redesign it  and study it , then build it "better".
Can't just make it the same.
Perpetuate the bureaucracy.

During the press release Laura Thielan said engineering could take 1yr, permitting w/ environmental impact 1-2 yrs…she said they anticipate construction maybe 5 yrs out.  Not anytime soon.  The wall definitely has settling and they need to rip everything out and redo the footing. 

Unreal.
Where’s that facepalm emoji.
For a wall ?!

Unreal.
Where’s that facepalm emoji.
For a wall ?!

As I said we gotta perpetuate the bureaucracy.
Never mind it probably been there for 50 years.
Build it just like it was, would last another 50.
Just a hollow tile wall.
Incredible

Hate to hi-jack but does anyone know how many yards the rifle side is, I have not been there since 2014 and I cannot remember. I am trying to figure out if a red dot will suffice or if I should invest more in a lpvo for my rifle.


Thanks 

50 & 100yds

During the press release Laura Thielan said engineering could take 1yr, permitting w/ environmental impact 1-2 yrs…she said they anticipate construction maybe 5 yrs out.  Not anytime soon.  The wall definitely has settling and they need to rip everything out and redo the footing.

Bureaucracy at it's finest.  Hawaii takes the crown.

50 & 100yds

Thank you

Wonder what the EIS is for, they building something new?  Maybe baffles?

Another reason why it may take long is to request Pittman Robertson federal grants to pay for the construction and planning.