Beyond self-defense (Read 18070 times)

ren

Beyond self-defense
« on: November 26, 2012, 04:39:16 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/byron-david-smith-arrested-murder-haile-kifer-nicholas-brady_n_2190846.html#slide=1801872

The media portrays them as young and innocent as you can see from the pics of them, but according to the article they broke into someone's home looking for drugs. I do believe in self-defense but I feel that the homeowner went beyond that. He has that right but a "finishing shot"?
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Bunker

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 05:14:04 PM »
So agree with you...self defense is one thing but finishing head shots for each of them and waiting a day to report it. Gotto believe he'll be seeing jail bars in his future.

nf9648

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 08:42:16 PM »
If I was on his jury he would walk.

Bunker

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 09:17:37 PM »
Maybe but pretty compelling argument for the prosecution againt the defendant when you have two dead bodies in your basement with point blank head shots that you don't report for a day.

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Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 12:15:34 AM »
Old man is a sicko and those kids must have been high as $#it
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Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 07:59:10 AM »
If I was on his jury he would walk.

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Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 09:20:44 AM »
thumbs up for shooting. :thumbsup:
thumbs down on finishing shots. :wtf:

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Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 11:03:59 AM »
if what the article says is true and he shot them execution style, dragged one into the basement to lure the next one, then what he did AFTER the initial shooting was illegal. This is the type of over reaction that does our side no good. It will hurt us more than we can imagine. If mental ass obama picks this up in the middle of the UN gun ban? We are toast. Its stupid crap like this that gives the vast majority of LEGAL gun owners a black eye. Kudos for the initial shooting... fail for the execution style finishing shots.

spanner1751

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 09:07:16 PM »
if what the article says is true and he shot them execution style, dragged one into the basement to lure the next one, then what he did AFTER the initial shooting was illegal. This is the type of over reaction that does our side no good. It will hurt us more than we can imagine. If mental ass obama picks this up in the middle of the UN gun ban? We are toast. Its stupid crap like this that gives the vast majority of LEGAL gun owners a black eye. Kudos for the initial shooting... fail for the execution style finishing shots.

I agree.

microage97

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 05:58:36 AM »
Happened here in my state. Rumor has it now they were outside and he drug them inside after shooting. Doesn't really matter as they were unarmed and after first wounding shot he didn't need to execute them.

Kingkeoni

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 06:04:35 AM »
Happened here in my state. Rumor has it now they were outside and he drug them inside after shooting. Doesn't really matter as they were unarmed and after first wounding shot he didn't need to execute them.

If he actually shot them outside, then yes he did need to execute them.

At least this way he has a chance to get off of any charges.
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Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 06:49:19 AM »
Happened here in my state. Rumor has it now they were outside and he drug them inside after shooting. Doesn't really matter as they were unarmed and after first wounding shot he didn't need to execute them.

You don't need to be armed to pose a threat nor cause great bodily harm to someone.  If you fear for your life, then respond accordingly.

microage97

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 06:58:49 AM »
Of course. The issue is that after that first contact and you draw and fire, you gotta fire until the attack stops. You don't get to walk up above the attacker and then shoot until they are dead. This dude is a sick puppy and pretty much certain there is a lot more to it than a simple B and E and more than likely will get life.

bass monkey

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 08:02:37 AM »
Maybe the guy should have got more range time

microage97

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2012, 08:06:47 AM »
or just carry a Glock 18

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Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2012, 01:12:00 PM »
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Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2012, 03:20:43 PM »
The threat ended well before the finishing shots...he deserves jail time.

if what the article says is true and he shot them execution style, dragged one into the basement to lure the next one, then what he did AFTER the initial shooting was illegal. This is the type of over reaction that does our side no good. It will hurt us more than we can imagine. If mental ass obama picks this up in the middle of the UN gun ban? We are toast. Its stupid crap like this that gives the vast majority of LEGAL gun owners a black eye. Kudos for the initial shooting... fail for the execution style finishing shots.

I think we should just agree with that statement and leave it at that. Anything more we add just fuels ideas that ALL gun owners are trigger happy psychopaths.

Did you notice the article said the shooter's Mini 14 jammed?
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microage97

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2012, 03:39:46 PM »
ya... I would go with am AR even a cheap one over a Mini14. He shoot the kid in the leg first. So with the 5.56 at like 15 Ft I am sure it came off.

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Haoleb

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2012, 04:39:57 PM »
the media can say this guy is a sicko and mentally deranged killer but the fact of the matter is the two kids broke into his house. You just dont go breaking into someone elses house. they chose to make that decision and it did not quite end well for them. If the guy made any mistake its not having a big enough gun.

ren

Re: Beyond self-defense
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2012, 05:22:59 PM »
The mistake he made was executing them and making all those statements. Those statements portrayed him as a murderer rather than a victim who's house was broken into by people he was afraid of.
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