Until a court rules these stupid regulations as unconstitutional,  a CCW permit is virtually useless.  I already don't need a permit to carry on my property.

One.of the reasons for having the 4 year CCW license is so people can continue to get it and show demand for it, and be confident a lot of these restrictions will be lifted in a year or so.

One.of the reasons for having the 4 year CCW license is so people can continue to get it and show demand for it, and be confident a lot of these restrictions will be lifted in a year or so.

^^^This, cause lower numbers issued give lawmakers more reason to pass more anti 2a laws. "not many have a CCW anyways, so this law will only affect a few".

For CCW app's if you aren't approved by 120 days, it's an automatic denial and your $150 is not refunded. Page 54 (j)

For PTA, you must give all prior medical carrier information as well, not just your current one and "no current doctor".

You cannot lend someone your rifle/shotgun anymore  unless they have taken hunters ed or like handgun course within 4 years. per page 32 (h). I cannot find the strikethru of the 15 day or 75 day lending. But (h) says:
"No person shall sell, give, lend, or deliver into the possession of another any firearm expect in accordance with this chapter"

Armored car would have to figure out what "on duty" means. Is a lunch break "on duty"?  Cause you cannot openly carry unless on duty and an armored car. So paid lunch break I guess.

LEOSA has no exceptions. Page 9 (10).   IDK if they mean all "buildings" or just state/county buildings.  As the verbiage says "state or county property, installations, buildings, bases, parks, and other private property if the owner prohibits it".  IMO, "buildings" means all buildings, not just state/county buildings.

My question is: Is there a preemption?  Like would this law override C&C ordinance 23-006 (bill 57)?  I don't think it does, so there are 2 sets of laws for CCWing.

Example: 23-006 has a duty to inform. SB1230 only requires to inform upon request or if in a vehicle.  So in the end, there's a duty to inform.

You cannot lend someone your rifle/shotgun anymore 

LEOSA has no exceptions.

The lending of rifles and shotguns is allowed and hasn't changed as it goes off of hrs 134-4.

What the leosa thing essentially says is LEOSA cannot carry at government places, or private places that prohibit carry.  Or other federally prohibited place.  Otherwise they can carry in the sensitive places listed in sb1230.

The lending of rifles and shotguns is allowed and hasn't changed as it goes off of hrs 134-4.

What the leosa thing essentially says is LEOSA cannot carry at government places, or private places that prohibit carry.  Or other federally prohibited place.  Otherwise they can carry in the sensitive places listed in sb1230.

So why would that section (h) have the word "lend" if it applies solely to sales/transfers of guns?  It sounds like 2 areas conflict with each other. 

For the LEOSA prohibit carry, this is a tricky one as it doesn't say a sign is needed.  So like Costco doesn't have a sign at the front, but their corporate policy is no carrying. LEOSA cannot carry in Costco and wouldn't know unless they contacted Costco.  Same goes if a Hospital doesn't have a no weapons sign, but it's against their policy.

So why would that section (h) have the word "lend" if it applies solely to sales/transfers of guns?  It sounds like 2 areas conflict with each other. 

That phrase isn't underlined so the current law was not changed in that regard.  Although there appears to be a conflict, 134-4 is very specific that no permit is needed

For the LEOSA prohibit carry, this is a tricky one as it doesn't say a sign is needed.  So like Costco doesn't have a sign at the front, but their corporate policy is no carrying. LEOSA cannot carry in Costco and wouldn't know unless they contacted Costco.  Same goes if a Hospital doesn't have a no weapons sign, but it's against their policy.

In SB1230 they drafted the law very carefully to not say private property is automatically defaulted to owners banning carry as it would be a 1A violation.

I'm waiting  for a situation to arise where there is conflict or open to interpretation situations.  It's gonna happen.  Should be interesting.  This is what happens when the City and State like play god with firearm control.

Gotta buy more popcorn.

So Rep Tarnas thanked hifico for helping make a fair bill.

THIS IS A LIE.

 Only thing hifico did was insisit on a 4 year ccw and effective date of 1/1/24 for new permit to acquire law to take effect. Hifico said the entire bill sucks and see u in court if it passes.

AG lied when they said they looked at history and tradition (bruen) to craft the bill. For every hearing when asked about bruen, their story kept changing.



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So Rep Tarnas thanked hifico for helping make a fair bill.

It's like getting murdered and thanking the murderer for making it a quick death.

All guns need to be transported in a locked container. No box that the gun came in. So new purchases need to be put into a lockable case.

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All guns need to be transported in a locked container. No box that the gun came in. So new purchases need to be put into a lockable case.

Hmmm.  Are you sure?

I read it as IF you are a licensed carrier and IF you are transporting a firearm inside a sensitive area, into/out of a parking area or at a sensitive place's parking area, or storing or retrieving a concealed firearm from the vehicle's trunk (meaning you aren't going to get in trouble for being outside the vehicle with a cased firearm in a sensitive place if you're just putting it away), then locked case applies.

The locked container rule keeps specifying they apply when transporting "a concealed firearm."  I think we already put to bed that not all cased firearms are considered concealed especially if they are not listed on your license application.  So the locked container rule should only cover concealed firearms, not those you are not carrying concealed to/from a sensitive place.  A long gun is a firearm, but it's not a "concealed firearm," so the locked container rule isn't applicable.

That's my interpretation.  I think they used "concealed firearm" on purpose, to differentiate a handgun you can/will carry from all other firearms.

(c)  Notwithstanding subsection (a), a person carrying a firearm pursuant to a license issued under section 134-9, or in accordance with title 18 United States Code section 926B or 926C, may:

     (1)  Transport a concealed firearm within the person's vehicle or in a location specified in paragraphs (14) or (15) of the definition of "sensitive location" in subsection (i); provided that the firearm is unloaded and in a locked container;

     (2)  Transport a concealed firearm within a vehicle into or out of a parking area in a location covered under subsection (a); provided that the firearm is secured in a locked container; and {?}

     (3)  Transport a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding their vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within a locked container in the vehicle's trunk or other place inside the vehicle that is out of plain view.  {?}

I notice they only specified unloaded in the first situation, but not the 2nd and 3rd {?}

What about the hunters ed class. I also have that
Will that be no good too?

To buy a rifle/shotty, yes. To buy a handgun, no. 

"yes" . . . "no" . . . not correct I believe. I could be wrong but I believe begining in 2024, current (or new?) Hunters Ed card cannot be used to acquire a handgun. You will, however, need the new and improved Hunters Ed class card to get a long gun permit . . . I believe.

Hmmm.  Are you sure?

I read it as IF you are a licensed carrier and IF you are transporting a firearm inside a sensitive area, into/out of a parking area or at a sensitive place's parking area, or storing or retrieving a concealed firearm from the vehicle's trunk (meaning you aren't going to get in trouble for being outside the vehicle with a cased firearm in a sensitive place if you're just putting it away), then locked case applies.

The locked container rule keeps specifying they apply when transporting "a concealed firearm."  I think we already put to bed that not all cased firearms are considered concealed especially if they are not listed on your license application.  So the locked container rule should only cover concealed firearms, not those you are not carrying concealed to/from a sensitive place.  A long gun is a firearm, but it's not a "concealed firearm," so the locked container rule isn't applicable.

That's my interpretation.  I think they used "concealed firearm" on purpose, to differentiate a handgun you can/will carry from all other firearms.

I notice they only specified unloaded in the first situation, but not the 2nd and 3rd {?}

Theres a separate section for transporting in general. I tabed the 77 pages and will post the section later as the papers are at work.

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"yes" . . . "no" . . . not correct I believe. I could be wrong but I believe begining in 2024, current (or new?) Hunters Ed card cannot be used to acquire a handgun. You will, however, need the new and improved Hunters Ed class card to get a long gun permit . . . I believe.

For long guns acquisition, you must have taken hunters Ed within the past 4 years.  Or take the new firearms safety course.

For long guns acquisition, you must have taken hunters Ed within the past 4 years.  Or take the new firearms safety course.

If you took the Hunters Ed course in the last two and a half years, the card can still be used in 2024 to apply for a long gun permit?

SB1230 is as clear as mud.

Or doo-doo.

Hmmm.  Are you sure?

I read it as IF you are a licensed carrier and IF you are transporting a firearm inside a sensitive area, into/out of a parking area or at a sensitive place's parking area, or storing or retrieving a concealed firearm from the vehicle's trunk (meaning you aren't going to get in trouble for being outside the vehicle with a cased firearm in a sensitive place if you're just putting it away), then locked case applies.

The locked container rule keeps specifying they apply when transporting "a concealed firearm."  I think we already put to bed that not all cased firearms are considered concealed especially if they are not listed on your license application.  So the locked container rule should only cover concealed firearms, not those you are not carrying concealed to/from a sensitive place.  A long gun is a firearm, but it's not a "concealed firearm," so the locked container rule isn't applicable.

That's my interpretation.  I think they used "concealed firearm" on purpose, to differentiate a handgun you can/will carry from all other firearms.

I notice they only specified unloaded in the first situation, but not the 2nd and 3rd {?}

My mistake. I looked thru the 77 pages again and was wrong.

If you took the Hunters Ed course in the last two and a half years, the card can still be used in 2024 to apply for a long gun permit?

Yes

My mistake. I looked thru the 77 pages again and was wrong.