Hamas attacks Israel (Read 66439 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #100 on: October 10, 2023, 04:22:49 PM »
So Israel is planning on a full on invasion of Gaza. No better way to get the peoples support than to have civilians slaughtered.  Which is why I don't by for 1 moment that Masaad failed.

macsak

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #101 on: October 10, 2023, 04:39:36 PM »
#noteverythingisaconspiracy

So Israel is planning on a full on invasion of Gaza. No better way to get the peoples support than to have civilians slaughtered.  Which is why I don't by for 1 moment that Masaad failed.

hvybarrels

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #102 on: October 10, 2023, 05:37:46 PM »
#noteverythingisaconspiracy

Either way we need to slash the intelligence budget probably by 90%
The glowboys we got running things now are pretty useless

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

aletheuo137

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #103 on: October 11, 2023, 07:30:17 AM »
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changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #104 on: October 11, 2023, 08:07:12 AM »
What's interesting about the party that was attacked by paratroopers is that there is only a few vids of the parachutes in the air, then vids of people hiding in the bushes.  Not much else.  If this party/rave is attended by people who go to EDC (young people using their phone to film everything), then there should be way more video of the incident.  Also word is that this party/rave wasn't heavily promoted as it was more of a "you need to know someone who knows about it" to go.  Which is why the crowd wasn't much bigger.

On my stuff that pops up  on my social media accounts, it's mainly Palestine things.  Very little Israel things.  It's like social media wants to only show you 1 side (Gaza destruction).

Various news this morning and the Pope all said the same thing. "Israel is allowed to defend themselves". Which brings to what I posted earlier.  There's no way Masaad didn't know about this. Let the invaders in, knowing they will target civilian's and now you have a war that is supported by the western type countries and your own. 

#noteverythingistinfoil

QUIETShooter

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #105 on: October 11, 2023, 09:02:55 AM »
Just like Pearl Harbor.  And 9/11.

Win the hearts and minds of the people and you win the war you wanted.  Make a little moolah along the way ;) ;) ;)

Remember the 9/11 commercials:  "I am an American..."?  Everyone was on the same sheet of paper.

Nowadays?  After all the smoke and mirrors that happened since then?  Not so much.

Gotta eliminate and destroy the terrorists, and also destroy the people who inhabit the swamp in government.  All terrorists.  All governments.

Both are the same:  EVIL.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #106 on: October 11, 2023, 09:24:28 AM »
More vids of Israel launching attacks at Gaza.  Masaad must know that certain buildings are occupied by Hamas as they targeting certain buildings.  And of course civilians occupy these as well and there is collateral damage. But my point is that Israel has enough munitions to flaten Gaza if they wanted to and haven't done so.  So although I feel bad for the civillians in Gaza getting hurt/killed, the propoganda coming out of there is showing solely Israel is targeting civilian's.

Another recent vid of Palestine propoganda in the making, a childs "dead" body is being held by 7 people. Except an air raid alarm goes off, all 7 drop the child. Then the "deceased" child gets up and runs to find cover too.  This was filmed over the Gaza/Israel border from 1 of the towers.  So it wasn't like Israel entered Gaza to make this.  Well I don't think they did....

QUIETShooter

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #107 on: October 11, 2023, 09:56:16 AM »
Interesting video of what Nikki Haley witnessed when she went to Gaza to get their perspective as to why there is so much hate for Israeli people.  This is when she was UN ambassador.

I know there are Palestinians who hate Hamas.  What I'm having a hard time with is what the Palestinians teach the children in school.  Haley talks about the graffitti of Israeli hate and of how math is taught in school:  "If you have 5 Jews and you kill 4, how much Jews are left......" :crazy:

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #108 on: October 11, 2023, 10:11:40 AM »
Interesting video of what Nikki Haley witnessed when she went to Gaza to get their perspective as to why there is so much hate for Israeli people.  This is when she was UN ambassador.

I know there are Palestinians who hate Hamas.  What I'm having a hard time with is what the Palestinians teach the children in school.  Haley talks about the graffitti of Israeli hate and of how math is taught in school:  "If you have 5 Jews and you kill 4, how much Jews are left......" :crazy:


The Quran teaches Muslims to hate Jews.  Most Muslims don't see those sections as literal instructions to kill Jews, but it clearly can be interpreted that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Islam
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #109 on: October 11, 2023, 12:21:22 PM »
The Quran teaches Muslims to hate Jews.  Most Muslims don't see those sections as literal instructions to kill Jews, but it clearly can be interpreted that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Islam

Shortly after 9/11 the local news interviewed a mosque.  The person they had on was sayiing that the terrorist are misinterpreting the Quran by killing.

zippz

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #110 on: October 11, 2023, 12:39:48 PM »
Interesting video of what Nikki Haley witnessed when she went to Gaza to get their perspective as to why there is so much hate for Israeli people.  This is when she was UN ambassador.

I know there are Palestinians who hate Hamas.  What I'm having a hard time with is what the Palestinians teach the children in school.  Haley talks about the graffitti of Israeli hate and of how math is taught in school:  "If you have 5 Jews and you kill 4, how much Jews are left......" :crazy:

Reminds me of this star wars meme.  It relates as there are multiple solutions for a problem with Hamas and radical muslims offering the darker solution.

macsak

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #111 on: October 11, 2023, 12:49:27 PM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #112 on: October 11, 2023, 12:50:51 PM »
Shortly after 9/11 the local news interviewed a mosque.  The person they had on was sayiing that the terrorist are misinterpreting the Quran by killing.

That doesn't excuse the Quran for inciting hatred of Jews, or even of certain populations of Jews -- of which there is little debate.

The people "misinterpreting" religious teachings will glean what supports their beliefs and ignore whatever contradicts them.  Debating various interpretations against others is futile.  It means whatever the imam they grew up listening to told them it means.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #113 on: October 11, 2023, 02:52:50 PM »
Here's the official transcript of Resident Biden's remarks last night.

It's much easier to read than suffer through trying  to decipher what he's saying.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/10/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-terrorist-attacks-in-israel-2/

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For 75 years, Israel has stood as the ultimate guarantor of security of Jewish
people around the world so that the atrocities of the past could never happen
again.
 
And let there be no doubt: The United States has Israel’s back.
 
We will make sure the Jewish and democratic State of Israel can defend itself
today, tomorrow, as we always have.  It’s as simple as that.

These atrocities have been sickening.
 
We’re — we’re with Israel.  Let’s make no mistake.
 
Thank you.

I don't think everyone in DC got that memo.  Maybe he and Obama should have made this clearer rather than waiting until "these atrocities" happened?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #114 on: October 11, 2023, 03:20:49 PM »
Biden couldn't help but throw in a story about himself in his remarks to the nation.

 :wacko:

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You know, just over 50 years ago — I was thinking about it this morning, talking
with the Secretary of State, the Vice President in my office and — over 50 years
ago, as a young senator, I visited Israel for the first time, as a newly elected senator.
 
And I had a long, long trip — or meeting with Golda Meir in her office just before
the Yom Kippur War.  And I guess she could see the consternation on my face as
she described what was being faced — they were facing.

We walked outside in that — that sort of hallway outside her office to have some
photos.  She looked at me and w- — all of a sudden and said, “Would you like to
have a photograph?”  And so, I got up and followed her out.

We were standing there silent, looking at the press.  She could tell, I guess, I was
concerned.  She leaned over and whispered to me — she said, “Don’t worry,
Senator Biden.  We have a secret weapon here in Israel” — my word this is what
she said — “We have no place else to go.”  “We have no place else to go.”

He's used that story many times in his career, but there are some factual aspects that are just wrong in his accountings.

And this is NOT from Fox:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/05/politics/fact-check-biden-meir-israel-war-liaison/index.html

I'm not saying this latest version isn't the truth.  I am saying he has a tough time getting his facts straight.

Which version are we supposed to believe?  How can we trust anything a known plagiarist and liar says?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #115 on: October 12, 2023, 08:20:14 AM »
So Israel is giving their troops the green light and no ROE when they invade Gaza.  I'm not a fan of this, but it works' on paper because Hamas is not part of the Geneva Conventions so there is no "identifiable uniform" to separate foe from non-combatant.  I hope that most won't open fire on civilians, but actually hold a higher standard to themselves.  As in shoot only if they're a threat.  Of course mistakes do happen, but to give a blanket free reign in actual practice can have a lot of problems.

Then they went on to say that they won't be held by the courts.  Israel doesn't control the world courts and charges can still be filed if a soldier murders civilian's.

Since Hamas relies on religion, any innocent the IDF kills is possibly 1 more recruit to Hamas. 

zippz

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2023, 08:38:55 AM »
So Israel is giving their troops the green light and no ROE when they invade Gaza.

Israel will have ROE.  It may be looser than usual due to the difficulty of operating in Gaza.   They won't say what it is since Hamas cause use it against them.

Israel has ROE for the air war.  They notify the Palestinians prior to flattening their buildings.  It allows Hamas to escape but keeps civilian casualties down.

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2023, 08:48:54 AM »
Israel will have ROE.  It may be looser than usual due to the difficulty of operating in Gaza.   They won't say what it is since Hamas cause use it against them.

Israel has ROE for the air war.  They notify the Palestinians prior to flattening their buildings.  It allows Hamas to escape but keeps civilian casualties down.

The verbal at the PC was there is no ROE.

zippz

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2023, 09:10:45 AM »
The verbal at the PC was there is no ROE.

There is one.  No army announces ROE before the battle.

Is there a reference for that?  Likely taken out of context or it was posturing.
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changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2023, 09:33:16 AM »
There is one.  No army announces ROE before the battle.

Is there a reference for that?  Likely taken out of context or it was posturing.

Could be as it wasn't in english and had to be translated.