Kokohead 5 round magazine limit (Read 4265 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2024, 04:33:44 PM »
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I don't know if this is very current. It looks pretty current.
https://www.honolulu.gov/cms-dpr-menu/site-dpr-sitearticles/38579-koko-head-shooting-complex.html

"Usr [sic] the proper ammunition and load no more than 5 rounds in the magazine."

So, if you don't have a magazine, any number is okay?  Does a cylinder qualify as a magazine?  Would "firearm" have been more specific than "magazine?"

Someone who wants to help range goers follow the rules would not be so ambiguous.  Otherwise, you are creating room for alternate interpretations.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2024, 04:45:28 PM »
"Usr [sic] the proper ammunition and load no more than 5 rounds in the magazine."

So, if you don't have a magazine, any number is okay?  Does a cylinder qualify as a magazine?  Would "firearm" have been more specific than "magazine?"

Someone who wants to help range goers follow the rules would not be so ambiguous.  Otherwise, you are creating room for alternate interpretations.

Cylinders are not magazines.  It stores ammunition in multiple chambers.

There are other types of magazines like tube magazine, or bolt guns, sks, and M1 garands have internal magazines.

QUIETShooter

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2024, 04:49:41 PM »
just a few weeks ago a RSO told me can load 6 with a revolver. all these years I just assumed it was 5
I forgot to ask about my 7 and 8 shot revolvers. next time I'll ask

Me too.  I just say to myself, Aahhhh, just do 5.....

One time I was admiring this guy's revolver.  Not sure what brand it was.  A double action .22 revolver what  looked liked a 10 rd. cylinder.  Oooh I like buy one, I thought to myself.

I don't think he was following the 5 rd. max rule.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2024, 06:16:52 PM »
Cylinders are not magazines.  It stores ammunition in multiple chambers.

There are other types of magazines like tube magazine, or bolt guns, sks, and M1 garands have internal magazines.

I know all of that.   Pump shotguns often have >5rd magazines.  That is another non-semi-auto firearm that would not experience more than a single slam fire discharge if it's malfunctioning -- assuming the operator is smart enough to stop cycling the action.

By the way, some revolvers can accept spare cylinders already loaded.  That almost functions as a removable magazine.   :geekdanc:

What I'm seeing is an inconsistent interpretation of what ought to be a specifically-worded and straight forward rule.

Semi-auto -- 5 rd rule applies.  Any other action -- 5 rd rule doesn't apply. 

Makes more sense to me if the rationale is really in case of malfunctions.  That assumes the cease-fire slowdown or any other reason doesn't factor in.

If you ask an RSO at the range whether you can load 10 rounds in a Ruger GP100 10-Shot .22 LR Revolver, would you expect to debate them on the fact a cylinder is not a magazine?  Or would they tell you it's fine -- no magazine, so load to full capacity?

 :shaka:

« Last Edit: July 12, 2024, 06:24:04 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2024, 06:48:44 PM »
i don't think that the word "often" is appropriate here...

I know all of that.   Pump shotguns often have >5rd magazines.  That is another non-semi-auto firearm that would not experience more than a single slam fire discharge if it's malfunctioning -- assuming the operator is smart enough to stop cycling the action.

By the way, some revolvers can accept spare cylinders already loaded.  That almost functions as a removable magazine.   :geekdanc:

What I'm seeing is an inconsistent interpretation of what ought to be a specifically-worded and straight forward rule.

Semi-auto -- 5 rd rule applies.  Any other action -- 5 rd rule doesn't apply. 

Makes more sense to me if the rationale is really in case of malfunctions.  That assumes the cease-fire slowdown or any other reason doesn't factor in.

If you ask an RSO at the range whether you can load 10 rounds in a Ruger GP100 10-Shot .22 LR Revolver, would you expect to debate them on the fact a cylinder is not a magazine?  Or would they tell you it's fine -- no magazine, so load to full capacity?

 :shaka:


oldfart

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2024, 06:58:58 PM »
You could join an action pistol club. They allow up to the legal limit. There is something going on every weekend. But you probably have to pass a safety and proficiency test.
There are a lot of clubs out there.
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2024, 11:46:51 PM »
i don't think that the word "often" is appropriate here...

I don't think the word you decided to call out matters here.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/radikal-p3-pump-18-5-tactical-shotgun/
« Last Edit: July 12, 2024, 11:51:54 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kalikikopa

Re: Kokohead 5 round magazine limit
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2024, 05:11:36 PM »
I haven't a clue, but if I had to take a guess, it's because it slows things down, giving the RSO's a chance to give each person a gander and make sure everyone is keeping safe. I guy showing up with 10 mags 30 rounds each could shoot 100 by the time the RSO has a chance to make sure he is being safe. I don't know, just a thought. I know 5 at a time makes me day longer and cheaper.