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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2025, 11:51:11 AM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2025, 11:52:28 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on January 21, 2025, 10:39:37 AM
I don't know through what avenue it would take but I would be very interested to see if this could be taken up to the supreme court. Not sure it would win on constitutional grounds but it would be nice to see some pushback. Who knows, maybe this will lead to discussions to remove the pardon power?
Do some research and get back to us on the justification the founders relied on to bestow the authority to pardon prisoners onto the President.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2025, 12:09:05 PM »
IMO, Biden is announcing that the justice system, at least at the federal level, is either broken, easily abused (politicized), or both.  He obviously feels the people whose sentences he commuted were not tried or sentenced justly, and he's therefore stepping in to balance the law against just and fair treatment.

That, or Hunter gave him a list of drug dealers, suppliers and users he wanted to start partying with again.

The vast number of his orders are commutations.  As for the preemptive pardons with no charges or verdicts to name for family and administration cohorts, the motivation is too obvious.

Pardons have a legitimate purpose.  What Biden is doing exceeds those bounds by a lot.  He's intentionally putting up walls around his chosen few to shield them from the consequences of their crimes.  That's not the purpose of his Constitutional power of the pardon.
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changemyoil66

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2025, 01:39:19 PM »
 I wonder if HI's Nick Ocho (I don't remember his last name) was pardoned?  He ran against Adrian Tam and lost. He was also called racist as he's a member of the Proud Boys. Even though he's having a child with a black woman.  And the HI Proud Boys chapter were half Asian as I saw pics of their outings to bars and karaoke type events.
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hvybarrels

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2025, 01:57:29 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 21, 2025, 01:39:19 PM
I wonder if HI's Nick Ocho (I don't remember his last name) was pardoned?  He ran against Adrian Tam and lost. He was also called racist as he's a member of the Proud Boys. Even though he's having a child with a black woman.  And the HI Proud Boys chapter were half Asian as I saw pics of their outings to bars and karaoke type events.

Ochs

Yes, and the libs at CB are crying about it

https://www.civilbeat.org/2025/01/hawai%CA%BBi-proud-boy-founder-us-army-soldier-get-jan-6-pardons-from-trump/
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2025, 01:59:51 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 21, 2025, 01:39:19 PM
I wonder if HI's Nick Ocho (I don't remember his last name) was pardoned?  He ran against Adrian Tam and lost. He was also called racist as he's a member of the Proud Boys. Even though he's having a child with a black woman.  And the HI Proud Boys chapter were half Asian as I saw pics of their outings to bars and karaoke type events.
14 had their sentences commuted (no pardon, just released from prison with convictions intact). 

For the rest:
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...grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals convicted
of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on
January 6, 2021;
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/granting-pardons-and-commutation-of-sentences-for-certain-offenses-relating-to-the-events-at-or-near-the-united-states-capitol-on-january-6-2021/

If he is in the second group, then he gets a pardon, ... and she gets a pardon, .... everyone gets a pardon!!   :geekdanc:
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2025, 02:08:34 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on January 21, 2025, 01:57:29 PM
Ochs

Yes, and the libs at CB are crying about it

https://www.civilbeat.org/2025/01/hawai%CA%BBi-proud-boy-founder-us-army-soldier-get-jan-6-pardons-from-trump/

Wow, they even went after him again after SCOTUS said they overstepped.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2025, 02:32:03 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 21, 2025, 02:08:34 PM
Wow, they even went after him again after SCOTUS said they overstepped.

Why were comments for that article disabled?

Hmmmm....   :geekdanc: :rofl: :popcorn:
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2025, 08:17:37 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 21, 2025, 02:32:03 PM
Why were comments for that article disabled?

Hmmmm....   :geekdanc: :rofl: :popcorn:

Over the past few years, CB has been disabling comments on things like the 2A too.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2025, 10:33:32 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 21, 2025, 11:52:28 AM
Do some research and get back to us on the justification the founders relied on to bestow the authority to pardon prisoners onto the President.

That is an interesting topic but doesn't really address what I raised. It would be part of the ultimate decision of course though
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2025, 11:16:06 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on January 22, 2025, 10:33:32 AM
That is an interesting topic but doesn't really address what I raised. It would be part of the ultimate decision of course though

You get an "F" for the assignment.

Had you bothered, you would have answered your own question.  But, I get that's not how lazy people operate.  Keep doing those hit and run posts like this.  It's what you enjoy.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2025, 12:57:51 PM »
I'm wondering why Biden didn't include himself and his wife in the crime family last-minute pardons.

There's probably no precedent of a president pardoning himself preemptively.  If he tried that, maybe it won't hold up?

The big question I have is, did he pardon the people who have evidence against him, including Hunter?  If so, those get out of jail free cards have a flip side.  Anyone who can be a witness against Biden can no longer use the 5th Amendment to stay silent.  If there's no fear of self incrimination, then they would be required to testify truthfully or else they would risk criminal charges.

i'd be happy if the pardons he issued wind up being what finally sinks him.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2025, 01:59:42 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 23, 2025, 12:57:51 PM
I'm wondering why Biden didn't include himself and his wife in the crime family last-minute pardons.

There's probably no precedent of a president pardoning himself preemptively.  If he tried that, maybe it won't hold up?

The big question I have is, did he pardon the people who have evidence against him, including Hunter?  If so, those get out of jail free cards have a flip side.  Anyone who can be a witness against Biden can no longer use the 5th Amendment to stay silent.  If there's no fear of self incrimination, then they would be required to testify truthfully or else they would risk criminal charges.

i'd be happy if the pardons he issued wind up being what finally sinks him.

At his age and mental state, he wouldn't notice being in jail or would get a home arrest type sentence.  As for Jill, she's just as guilty for knowing his state and protecting him, knowing it's screwing our nation.  Loyalty toward your husband is 1 thing, but not while it screws millions world wide.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2025, 02:02:00 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 23, 2025, 01:59:42 PM
At his age and mental state, he wouldn't notice being in jail or would get a home arrest type sentence.  As for Jill, she's just as guilty for knowing his state and protecting him, knowing it's screwing our nation.  Loyalty toward your husband is 1 thing, but not while it screws millions world wide.

I don't want Biden to go to jail as much as I want the entire crime family exposed.  After that, people can sue for reparations against them which would hurt way more than jail time.  Take away the money they illegally accumulated.  Make them all poor.

Leftists and Democrats refuse to accept their party leaders and top officials are corrupt.  Exposing that and proving they were vile, greedy people breaking laws needs to happen so a few million noses can be rubbed in it.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2025, 04:08:12 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 22, 2025, 11:16:06 AM
You get an "F" for the assignment.

Had you bothered, you would have answered your own question.  But, I get that's not how lazy people operate.  Keep doing those hit and run posts like this.  It's what you enjoy.

I did do reading before I made the comment. I checked for past SCOTUS cases on overturning presidential pardons but didn't find any. Feel free to post it if you found one.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2025, 05:05:57 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on January 23, 2025, 04:08:12 PM
I did do reading before I made the comment. I checked for past SCOTUS cases on overturning presidential pardons but didn't find any. Feel free to post it if you found one.

"F minus"
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2025, 10:44:41 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 23, 2025, 05:05:57 PM
"F minus"

As I said, feel free to post the SCOTUS case if I missed it, otherwise your reply is empty.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2025, 10:54:26 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on January 24, 2025, 10:44:41 PM
As I said, feel free to post the SCOTUS case if I missed it, otherwise your reply is empty.

"F minus minus"
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2025, 10:58:31 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 24, 2025, 10:54:26 PM
"F minus minus"

Is that your new catch phrase?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Brandons Final F/U Pardons
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2025, 11:29:23 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on January 24, 2025, 10:58:31 PM
Is that your new catch phrase?

Do you have anything intelligent to post?  Or do you only want to argue and nag?

If you can't find the information, that's fine.  But you didn't say what you did find -- which tells me you never tried.

One-way information flow is getting so, so old.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw
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