I agree with customers bragging about this & that. Theres this old guy that hangs out at WGS and schools me on reloading and everything else. I guess he thinks Im still a kid. I just wanted powder. Then there's the customer with the SF, Navy SEAL, space shuttle door gunner uncle who can shoot lights out at a thousand yards. Very entertaining but get in the way of people looking to buy. When it comes to guns, every guy is an expert and that lies the problem.

ohh so you know uncle with the puka shirt too. bro I see him hang out at the range all the time but never seen him shooting

Imagine if Art was still around......

One question for consumers out there, why would you want to see or hold a gun if you don't have a permit or have not applied for a permit or don't even have the intention of buying?

Well, I will answer the first part of your question.  As far as I am concerned, I see a gun partially as an investment and do my OWN fair share of research to insure that I purchase something that I will enjoy and not have any regrets about.  I also go into LGS to "window shop" for prices and to see if I even like the "feel" or "look" of the gun I was looking into getting.  I bought my first handgun and AR-15 at the same time without a permit.  Waited 2 weeks, grabbed the permits from HPD, picked up the goods, went back to HPD and registered the guns.  I pretty sure for a handgun you need the information or specifics of the handgun you intend on buying when you go for your permit to acquire.  I cannot speak for those who "don't even have the intention of buying", but consider this, guns are NOT exactly cheap and some may have sticker shock seeing the price of what they are looking at in person.  Just my .02

LOL since the range has that large grass area maybe someone can setup gatherings every weekend for those who want to show off what they have.... Kind of like those arts and crafts gatherings I see everywhere.... There is a time and place for everything.....

it's like the gym. you got your guys who go to hang out. you know the ones who always give their two cents about training and ask you how much you bench.  they put on some weight on the bar to squat and put on the pussy pad cause they no like hurt their neck. then when they squat they only bend their knees. yeah those kind of guys are everywhere.

I'd have to say though I've done my fair share of window shopping. you know the Internet is only good for so much. when I do go in and talk to the sales guys I ask for their feed back on their experiences before I drop the cash. for every 3-5 times I window shop I make major purchase. if its something I know I want it's in and out.  the only thing is now you gotta compete with the crowd to get what you want when they dont even know what they want.

ohh so you know uncle with the puka shirt too. bro I see him hang out at the range all the time but never seen him shooting

No not that old guy-that-needs-a-new-shirt but another older guy that hangs out with Joe and Henry at WGS. The guy who needs a shirt is actually pretty cool.

One question for consumers out there, why would you want to see or hold a gun if you don't have a permit or have not applied for a permit or don't even have the intention of buying?

why not?  before i got a permit, i went shopping to see what i liked.  i bought at OGC because they had what i wanted for a good price before i even applied for my permit.  i had been to a few other's and hadnt seen that model in stock, so i took the plunge.

One question for consumers out there, why would you want to see or hold a gun if you don't have a permit or have not applied for a permit or don't even have the intention of buying?

Do it before its banned!!!! Nah just kidding.

Love OGC and WGS, and Young Guns for the awesome CS.  Need to get out to X-ring one day.  Went into Magnum once years ago, and have never been back.

Their shop is well overpriced! They got a lot of inventory but customer service sucks ass. Go to ogc because they will actually talk to u and explain if u have any questions. I'll take my money somewhere else!

Oh and I checked out x-ring the other day, real nice people there too! Inventory is slim but they can build your ar for u 

Oh x-ring is in Waipahu POOP town, the neighborhood sucks and u wold never think there is a shop in that area but at least get parking unlike ogc.

I ask a lot of dumb questions just ask Eric at O.G.C . I try to atleast feel the fit of the rifle before buying . Like a car would you buy it without driving it ? Your spending just as much on a gun . I mean you can't fire it ,but to hold it and have someone explain to you why this would be better fit for you  then the other helps. Plus I never carry my permit on me if anything I'll pay for it and come back another day to pick it up .

Trouble is that you can't go by online prices. I went to a lgs today to buy a hand gun but their in store price was $120 more then their online price. So no gun for me.

Honolulu firearms suck balls.  I went and the young guy behind the counter was unhelpful.   This was before the ban.  I asked about a mini 30.  He asked " if I had seen a mini 14, he said if you seen one you dont need to see the mini 30.  They are all the same so I dont need to get it."  He kept pushing a sig 7.62 on me, which I did not want I wanted a mini 30 or arsenal ak.  Sadly "Art" back in the day was more helpful than these guys
All other shops on island have been good to me.  I know a few guys a SEC and go there often.
  Ogc was very helpful and took time to give me advice. 
"Dex" at Xring has never steered me wrong and has been friendly and looked out for me every time.
Young guns I have no gripes about they always let me oogle and handle the guns.  I buy cheap bulk .22 ammo from them usually
Kgs ive been only once and Daniel was very passionate and helpful in finding what I want in what specs and a decent price

Trouble is that you can't go by online prices. I went to a lgs today to buy a hand gun but their in store price was $120 more then their online price. So no gun for me.

let me guess Honolulu firearms right?
the vast majority of stores here sell handguns close to what you see on line with a modest increase to cover shipping. did the pistol you looked at have any special mods? could have been a performance center pistol? or back to reason 1 above. yeah that would be the reason they still have inventory.

I disagree about not wanting people to do anything but buy and leave at gun stores.

The "Local Gun Store" is an American tradition.

A place to go to talk about guns, touch guns, fantasize about guns and swap hunting and shooting stories.

It bothers me when people say that nobody should talk or window shop or do anything but buy and get out.

If you're so sensitive then do all your shopping online.

I look forward to going into the gun store and seeing my friends old and new.

I enjoy talking to the owners and employees of the stores and listening to the latest industry buzz.

I thoroughly enjoy fondling guns that I don't intend to buy ( but usually do)

The loyal customer that comes in all the time and hangs out usually spends money every time they go to a gun store.

He/she buys supplies, accessories, ammunition and firearms.

I've been shooting since the 80's and have seen many gun stores come and go.

The ones that survived have been the ones that people enjoyed hanging out at.

If that bothers you, go suck an egg.

Oh x-ring is in Waipahu POOP town, the neighborhood sucks and u wold never think there is a shop in that area but at least get parking unlike ogc.

Are you from waipahu?

let me guess Honolulu firearms right?
the vast majority of stores here sell handguns close to what you see on line with a modest increase to cover shipping. did the pistol you looked at have any special mods? could have been a performance center pistol? or back to reason 1 above. yeah that would be the reason they still have inventory.

It wasn't HF, it was OGC, I like them so I'm not complaining. Great customer service and like people said they were swamped and they were still cool. Just that on gallery of guns and various gun auctions it was around $120 cheaper, but like you said shipping costs. So it's on me, I did not factor that in.
Hopefully they'll still have it when I do scrape the money together since I just spent the money I was going to use on another gun and ammo.

Shipping and FFL transfer usually run around $100

$20 more is fair profit for a gun store to make.

Remember, if we stop supporting our local gun shops, they won't last.

+1, no.  +1,000,000 for OGC

Carter and the staff at OGC never let me down. They always greet me and answer any and all questions. I like going in there to window shop too. They always have the latest and greatest stuff. And they are LE/mil dealers for a few brands. BIG savings there!!!