Thinking back to when I purchased two handguns in Oklahoma City, I remember the process as:

1.  Choose the gun
2.  Pay for the gun
3.  Fill out the forms in the store
4.  Wait three days
5.  Pick up the gun and permit at the store
6.  Buy some ammo and targets
7.  Head to the range

There were no trips to the police station at all.  Background checks and firearm registrations were all done in the store.

Yeah, I could live with that here...

when i use to live in arizona it was pick out a gun, pay for it, wait 5 mins for a background check (while fondling other guns of intrest), walk out with gun after buying ammo, drive out to the desert and shoot shit up!

Stop teasong

Stop teasing

 I agree.

The Mayor is friendly to our cause and the issue of the long lines and other registration issues was discussed. The problem is that the Chief of Police is the sole determiner of how the process goes. In other words, the Mayor could ask the Chief to modify the process, incorporating some of the very excellent suggestions mentioned here (especially having access to the forms, via computer or at gun shops, faxing in the completed forms in advance of your trip down there....) but has no authority to compel him to do so. Neither can the City Council, as the Chief only answers to the Police Commission....so, the question then becomes, especially in light of the fact that we know other police agencies in the State have made changes to the process, why won't he? Is it that he isn't aware of the problem or potential solutions, or does he just not want to? I would suggest that, based on the efforts to shorten the lines thus far, he knows about the problem, but isn't quite ready to do more.

So what can we do to help sway him to do more?

So first off the Mayor should appoint members to the Commission who are willing to uphold the ideals of the Second Amendment.  I do not know who is currently/soon up for appointment, but that would be the first thing that should be brought up to the Mayor.

Second I'm not aware of how the HPD system and that of Kauai differ.  Some remember the bro-ha-ha that happened a little while ago on Kauai.  Perhaps you can expand on that?

when i use to live in arizona it was pick out a gun, pay for it, wait 5 mins for a background check (while fondling other guns of intrest), walk out with gun after buying ammo, drive out to the desert and shoot shit up!

I guess Oklahoma had more Liberal gun laws than Arizona!

I'm sure if every gun owner showed up at the capitol we can change it.

I'm sure if every gun owner showed up at the capitol we can change it.

We should just hold signs while in line at the police station!!  ** Daily Protest **   

occupy the police station!


actually, all the people in line look like a tent city anyways

We should just hold signs while in line at the police station!!  ** Daily Protest **   

occupy the police station!


actually, all the people in line look like a tent city anyways

Last time people complained about the walkway being blocked they put the line out in the sun.

I wonder if people started complaining that it looks ghetto, ugly, and whatnot if they would take that into consideration and speed up the line. You know, so hpd has a clean appearance.

A simple one- to two-hour meeting with the chief and those who run and work at the firearms desk is the first step in helping to reduce the lines. The officers' comments plus the ideas on this forum can be discussed and at least a handful could be implemented, especially the ones that have a low cost or do not require Legislative approval or an act of Congress.

This is standard business procedure in any organization, whether it's government run or the private sector.

Since nothing concrete has been done (other than officers coming to the lines and asking who is just picking up permits), we can all take it as the higher ups simply don't want to make the permit/registration process any easier so "more guns do not flood Oahu." 

I wish they would look around because gun ownership is on the rise. Good news is gun crimes have not been increasing. I guess some continue to ignore the facts and choose to go with emotion.

occupy the police station!


actually, all the people in line look like a tent city anyways

Unlike those meatheads in front of the Acadamey of Arts (as opposed to being downtown with the financial people/companies), we actually work for a living.

A simple one- to two-hour meeting with the chief and those who run and work at the firearms desk is the first step in helping to reduce the lines. The officers' comments plus the ideas on this forum can be discussed and at least a handful could be implemented, especially the ones that have a low cost or do not require Legislative approval or an act of Congress.

This is standard business procedure in any organization, whether it's government run or the private sector.

Since nothing concrete has been done (other than officers coming to the lines and asking who is just picking up permits), we can all take it as the higher ups simply don't want to make the permit/registration process any easier so "more guns do not flood Oahu." 

I wish they would look around because gun ownership is on the rise. Good news is gun crimes have not been increasing. I guess some continue to ignore the facts and choose to go with emotion.

I think I, and others here, would buy you a dinner if you could actually get the Chief to sit down and honestly discuss this.  I doubt however that this would happen.

A simple one- to two-hour meeting with the chief and those who run and work at the firearms desk is the first step in helping to reduce the lines. The officers' comments plus the ideas on this forum can be discussed and at least a handful could be implemented, especially the ones that have a low cost or do not require Legislative approval or an act of Congress.

This is standard business procedure in any organization, whether it's government run or the private sector.

Since nothing concrete has been done (other than officers coming to the lines and asking who is just picking up permits), we can all take it as the higher ups simply don't want to make the permit/registration process any easier so "more guns do not flood Oahu." 

I wish they would look around because gun ownership is on the rise. Good news is gun crimes have not been increasing. I guess some continue to ignore the facts and choose to go with emotion.

I think I, and others here, would buy you a dinner if you could actually get the Chief to sit down and honestly discuss this.  I doubt however that this would happen.

I had a "yeah right" moment when I seen surfmaster's commet too. The Chief has no intention to change the process, otherwise he would have done so a long time ago. He holds all the cards, just like CCW. Even if he was interested, which he's not, things get staffed unless the requesting person or entity is considered a VIP, peer, or superior. Would be great but I too doubt it would ever happen.

I wrote the Mayor about this after first thanking him for extending Kokohead's hours.   While the *right* answer is to fix the laws, putting some pressure on our elected officials in Honolulu is the only way I can see to fix the broken process under current laws.

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So first off the Mayor should appoint members to the Commission who are willing to uphold the ideals of the Second Amendment.  I do not know who is currently/soon up for appointment, but that would be the first thing that should be brought up to the Mayor.

Second I'm not aware of how the HPD system and that of Kauai differ.  Some remember the bro-ha-ha that happened a little while ago on Kauai.  Perhaps you can expand on that?

The outgoing Mayor filled up the Police Commission with his appointees....Nothing the current Mayor can do until the terms of the longer sitting members expire, which I think is 2015......Not sure of the Kauai issue you mention. What was it?

The outgoing Mayor filled up the Police Commission with his appointees....Nothing the current Mayor can do until the terms of the longer sitting members expire, which I think is 2015......Not sure of the Kauai issue you mention. What was it?

Thanks for the info on the police comission.  Not good if either Carlisle or Mufi was the person appointing those members.

Anyhow the Kauai thing was about the Mayor suspending the KPD Chief while performing an investigation.  The KPD Chief argued that only the Comission had such authority.  I think it ended up that the Mayor was able to suspend, but that was linke to how the Charter was set up.  Not sure how that differs from Honolulu's Charter.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/138522629.html?id=138522629

http://www.kitv.com/Kauai-County-denies-police-chief-his-office/-/8906042/9658340/-/a6mhgez/-/index.html

http://www.ilind.net/2012/02/06/kauai-mayor-appears-to-have-overstepped-legal-authority-in-suspending-police-chief/#sthash.RzmpuFv6.dpbs


I forget how this ended..........if it was found the Mayor did have the right to suspend or if it lay solely with the Comission.

Thanks for the info on the police comission.  Not good if either Carlisle or Mufi was the person appointing those members.

Anyhow the Kauai thing was about the Mayor suspending the KPD Chief while performing an investigation.  The KPD Chief argued that only the Comission had such authority.  I think it ended up that the Mayor was able to suspend, but that was linke to how the Charter was set up.  Not sure how that differs from Honolulu's Charter.

Thanks for the info....I remember the Kauai situation, the police Chief even tried to return to work one day during the "suspension" if I recall. I am not sure how closely the City and County of Honolulu Charter compares to the Kauai one....I suspect it's reasonably similar....

^^^I want to say the C&C of Honolulu was different and that Kauai was reasonably different from all the other counties.  I just remember it because I had never heard of this happening before in other Counties.  Usually the politicians/Chiefs circle the wagons and it gets hushed up, but this one on Kauai showed some really bad blood between the parties involved.