Apparently you don't know much about the 9th circuit and their view on guns. CCW ain't happening....

the post you quoted of me specifically addressed how much the 9th circuit sucks.  apparently, i AM aware of it, you just didnt read the whole post.

i just said the chances are far better than a legislative change.

also note that it doesnt necessarily mean the 9th circuit has to approve.

the supreme court could absolutely do it if the case got that high.

I think we'll see CCW in mass when it begins to snow on Oahu during winter.

I think we'll see CCW in mass when it begins to snow on Oahu during winter.

It hailed baseballs where I live so there's probably a better chance of it snowing before we get a ccw

If the us senate inserts ccw reciprocity in the gun bill, visitors will be able to carry but we won't!

If the us senate inserts ccw reciprocity in the gun bill, visitors will be able to carry but we won't!

you could always get a CCW in other states and come back.   i THINK there's states that give visitors permits.

you could always get a CCW in other states and come back.   i THINK there's states that give visitors permits.

If I'm not mistaken, it all depends on your resident state. Being a resident of the state of Hawaii, not sure if you could use an out of state ccw permit under reciprocity to carry in your home state. That is assuming you are a state of hawaii resident

You can apply for non-resident CCW permits in other states.  Florida, Utah, and Arizona come to mind.  Only Utah, I believe, requires a certified CCW training class, but that could be changing, because they cut the budget that allows the state to certify trainers! 

Once you have a non-resident CCW permit, you need to keep a current list of states your permit/s is recognized in.  I do mean CURRENT, because the state-to-state reciprocity agreements change monthly. 

Most CCW-issuing states recognize any out of state permit with whom they have reciprocity agreements. 

However, some states require you be a resident of the state that issued the permit, usually because the issuing state doesn't honor permits from the state you are visiting.  You should include these states in your list as well, so you understand in which places you have to be a resident of the CCW-issuing state to legally carry.

Basically, as a Hawaii resident, you can get Florida and Arizona non-resident CCW permits through the mail/online and be legal to carry in about half the states.  Utah is recognized in some states that don't honor Florida or Arizona, so that permit is popular, too.  Nevada doesn't offer permits to non-residents, but they do honor Arizona permits, in case you ever find yourself traveling to Nevada for vacation!   

If you get these three permits, FL, UT and AZ, you could be legal to carry in about 35-36 states.  Of course, the places you might really WANT to carry, like Los Angeles, Detroit, and New York City, don't honor any out of state permits.  Go figure!!   

you could always get a CCW in other states and come back.   i THINK there's states that give visitors permits.

Yes, there are....but Hawaii won't recognize it. 

If I'm not mistaken, it all depends on your resident state. Being a resident of the state of Hawaii, not sure if you could use an out of state ccw permit under reciprocity to carry in your home state. That is assuming you are a state of hawaii resident

There are states that allow reciprocity...in fact Utah has one of the most recognized CCW permits/license. Unfortunately, many states...like Hawaii, California and a few others don't recognizes out of state CCW permits. They only allow CCW if the permit/license is from there state. The whole CCW topic is very sad, but if we keep applying pressure and being diligent hopefully we can change that one day! 

You can apply for non-resident CCW permits in other states.  Florida, Utah, and Arizona come to mind.  Only Utah, I believe, requires a certified CCW training class, but that could be changing, because they cut the budget that allows the state to certify trainers! 

Once you have a non-resident CCW permit, you need to keep a current list of states your permit/s is recognized in.  I do mean CURRENT, because the state-to-state reciprocity agreements change monthly. 

Most CCW-issuing states recognize any out of state permit with whom they have reciprocity agreements. 

However, some states require you be a resident of the state that issued the permit, usually because the issuing state doesn't honor permits from the state you are visiting.  You should include these states in your list as well, so you understand in which places you have to be a resident of the CCW-issuing state to legally carry.

Basically, as a Hawaii resident, you can get Florida and Arizona non-resident CCW permits through the mail/online and be legal to carry in about half the states.  Utah is recognized in some states that don't honor Florida or Arizona, so that permit is popular, too.  Nevada doesn't offer permits to non-residents, but they do honor Arizona permits, in case you ever find yourself traveling to Nevada for vacation!   

If you get these three permits, FL, UT and AZ, you could be legal to carry in about 35-36 states.  Of course, the places you might really WANT to carry, like Los Angeles, Detroit, and New York City, don't honor any out of state permits.  Go figure!!   

Exactly what Moosed said, well put!! 

I understand about reciprocity in the mainland, however, I thought we were talking about hawaii.  I know a few people that have Az permits as well as Nv permits and carry when on vacation there.

However even if Hawaii allows reciprocity, the point I was trying to make is, I'm not certain if your resident state will allow you to carry under a out of state permit.

... the point I was trying to make is, I'm not certain if your resident state will allow you to carry under a out of state permit.

That's a state-by-state issue.  Some will, some won't.

For example, Wisconsin accepts Virginia Non-Resident Permits Only. 

Yes, if you are a Virginia resident, and you have a Virginia CCW permit, Wisconsin does not honor it.  If you are a Hawaii resident, then Wisconsin will honor your non-resident Virginia permit!

Curious?

Go to this link, click the States That Honor My Permit(s) link, then click on any state.  The list of where, and under what conditions, you may carry is displayed on the map and explained below it.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

The states in YELLOW will be the where they require you to be a resident where your permit was issued.

This might not cover that answer you are seeking, but it is god to know.

For the answer to that specific case, using a non-resident permit in your own state of residence, that is an unusual circumstance in that states that accept non-resident permits should also be issuing residents CCW permits to maintain reciprocity agreements

That's a state-by-state issue.  Some will, some won't.

For example, Wisconsin accepts Virginia Non-Resident Permits Only. 

Yes, if you are a Virginia resident, and you have a Virginia CCW permit, Wisconsin does not honor it.  If you are a Hawaii resident, then Wisconsin will honor your non-resident Virginia permit!

Curious?

Go to this link, click the States That Honor My Permit(s) link, then click on any state.  The list of where, and under what conditions, you may carry is displayed on the map and explained below it.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

we're talking about the potential of having national reciprocity.  then it wouldnt be a state by state issue, they'd be forced to honor it.

we're talking about the potential of having national reciprocity.  then it wouldnt be a state by state issue, they'd be forced to honor it.

I just scanned for the word "national" in this thread, and the only person that's used it is you ... just now.

Maybe I'm just misreading the posts, but they all are discussing state reciprocity ... I thought.

Tom mentioned ccw reciprocity.
I automatically assumed we were discussing national reciprocity.
All my answers were tailored to national reciprocity.
Hence the home state honoring a residents out of state permit

The Fed Gov't will not force a state to accept other state's CCW permits.  That's actually HELPING gun owners!!  The Libs will never allow that!

Tom mentioned ccw reciprocity.
I automatically assumed we were discussing national reciprocity.
All my answers were tailored to national reciprocity.
Hence the home state honoring a residents out of state permit

Quite right.  My post said the US Senate bill could include reciprocity.  There is much talk that it will be offered as an amendment in the background check bill along with a bunch of other pro-gun things.   The media calls it "a poison pill".     It may have a chance because of red state democrats leading to that peculiar situation I described earlier...

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The Fed Gov't will not force a state to accept other state's CCW permits.  That's actually HELPING gun owners!!  The Libs will never allow that!

except for the fact that they dont have enough of a majority to get their bill through without a compromise.


if they want the background checks bill through, they may need to wheel and deal because the republicans own the house.

reciprocity has been in talks for a while now though.

except for the fact that they dont have enough of a majority to get their bill through without a compromise.


if they want the background checks bill through, they may need to wheel and deal because the republicans own the house.

reciprocity has been in talks for a while now though.

We can "what if" this topic to death.  The reality is, ANY gun control is bad.  If the House compromises, the anti-gunners win, and the pro-gunners lose. 

That is far from a compromise.  A compromise is a mutual agreement resulting in both parties giving up something to the other.

Explain what the anti-gunners are giving up?  What are they "compromising" in order to reach a consensus?

The anti-gunners have "no skin in the game."  They are pushing an agenda which erodes the Constitutional protection of gun owners.

Rights are not to be negotiated.  If they think the majority of the country wants to place strict limits on gun ownership, then they need to go through the process to properly amend the Constitution, just as it was amended when the right to keep and bear arms was added!

We can "what if" this topic to death.  The reality is, ANY gun control is bad.  If the House compromises, the anti-gunners win, and the pro-gunners lose. 

That is far from a compromise.  A compromise is a mutual agreement resulting in both parties giving up something to the other.

Explain what the anti-gunners are giving up?  What are they "compromising" in order to reach a consensus?

The anti-gunners have "no skin in the game."  They are pushing an agenda which erodes the Constitutional protection of gun owners.

Rights are not to be negotiated.  If they think the majority of the country wants to place strict limits on gun ownership, then they need to go through the process to properly amend the Constitution, just as it was amended when the right to keep and bear arms was added!

if they were to concede to national reciprocity, how would they NOT be giving something up?

that's clearly pro gun rights law in exchange for the background checks.