armslist seller ripped me off (Read 46411 times)

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2013, 12:27:53 PM »
I don't know if it's the 4473 that says it, but yes, selling guns as a business enterprise is massively illegal.

Frist off, I feel bad that you got ripped off.

Second, as Cougar said, selling without FFL for profit is illegal. Could you get ATF invovled at all? Might not be able to since it was not interstate commerce and such, but they did use a federal agency (USPS), so maybe?
 
Hoping everything works out!

dirsh

Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2013, 01:41:47 PM »
Frist off, I feel bad that you got ripped off.

Second, as Cougar said, selling without FFL for profit is illegal. Could you get ATF invovled at all? Might not be able to since it was not interstate commerce and such, but they did use a federal agency (USPS), so maybe?
 
Hoping everything works out!

I would think it would be more about cyber crimes and fraud, rather than FFLs and ATF, since he doesn't even have these guns to begin with
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2013, 01:57:16 PM »
any update OP?

have you filed a mail fraud complaint yet?
http://ehome.uspis.gov/fcsexternal/default.aspx

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/investigations/MailFraud/MailFraud.aspx
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Mail Fraud
U.S. Postal Inspectors investigate any crime in which the U.S. Mail is used to further a scheme--whether it originated in the mail, by telephone, or on the Internet. The use of the U.S. Mail is what makes it mail fraud.

If evidence of a postal violation exists, Postal Inspectors may seek prosecutive or administrative action against the violator. However, if money is lost through a fraudulent scheme conducted via the mail, Postal Inspectors lack the authority to ensure you receive a refund and can't require that products, services, or advertisements--on the Internet or elsewhere--be altered.

Postal Inspectors base investigations of mail fraud on the number, pattern, and substance of complaints received from the public. The Postal Inspection Service will carefully review the information you provide. We may share the information with other agencies when there is a possible violation within their jurisdiction.

If you feel you've been victimized in a fraud scheme that involves the U.S. Mail, submit a Mail Fraud Complaint Form to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2013, 03:29:41 PM »
So, is this the same guy on Kauai advertising a lot of AR's at ridiculously low prices, like the Colts for $900?

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2013, 04:32:12 PM »
Yes thats the guy and he copies the listing from gb.
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2013, 04:33:43 PM »
Just talked to my friend who is a area superviser with usps.

He said file a fraud complaint with usps.
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2013, 07:10:58 PM »
Don't get scammed like me

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2013, 07:13:10 PM »
Hey guys just to keep you guys updated I have been busy today being that the usps offices were closed till today, this guy is being charged by the state and federally also with both counts being felonies. I have a good friend helping me. In due time this guy will be paying me a visit being that I am a correctional officer. AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GIVE HIM A WELCOMING TO THE JAIL ATMOSPHERE. I WILL GET THE LAST LAUGH WITH HIM

Save the drama.

Seriously, do you really need to drag this out?
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2013, 07:19:00 PM »
No not really so you can delete your last post. i just figured id respond to the l last comment

Kingkeoni

Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2013, 07:22:44 PM »
Drama queen  :wtf:
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2013, 07:30:27 PM »
Drama queen  :wtf:

+1; agree bruddah KK.

Again, I'm just not getting the sense that there is much truth behind this story.... 
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2013, 07:43:18 PM »
how did he edit his post without the "last edit" thing showing up?

Save the drama.

Seriously, do you really need to drag this out?

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2013, 08:14:14 PM »
Moral of this story: don't buy anything from Armslist.

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2013, 08:26:44 PM »
how did he edit his post without the "last edit" thing showing up?

You have a few seconds(?) from the time you hit "Post" to go back and Modify your original post.

If done within the right amount of time, your edited post displays as your "original" post, unless, of course, some swift bruddah swoops in and quotes your original post before you are done revising your original post...

... and then your shit gets blown up.
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macsak

Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2013, 08:49:22 PM »
yeah, but kk posted 2 minutes, twelve seconds after him
so it must be more than a few seconds

You have a few seconds(?) from the time you hit "Post" to go back and Modify your original post.

If done within the right amount of time, your edited post displays as your "original" post, unless, of course, some swift bruddah swoops in and quotes your original post before you are done revising your original post...

... and then your shit gets blown up.

new guy

Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #75 on: May 28, 2013, 09:09:31 PM »
yeah, but kk posted 2 minutes, twelve seconds after him
so it must be more than a few seconds

Agreed.

Maybe if you post, then go back to modify, but take a long time retyping the actual message?

Not sure about the nuances involved, but it can be done.

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2013, 09:27:07 PM »
I believe you probably used squaretrade.com for online escrow.
I used to same service years ago but now they only sell insurance/warranty products. Good service. Got $ for 2
New iPhones on 2 occasions when i dropped one and cracked the screen and another when I and my stuff got pushed into the pool.

You need to look for a reputable escrow that is set up specifically to handle online transactions. I am unaware of whether the two escrows mentioned offer online services but a simple call would satisfy your inquiry. I have never used escrow.com and can't vouch for its services but it is but one online escrow service provider out there.  I don't recall the name of the escrow I used for my ebay transaction because it was many years ago but it was offered through ebay so you may wish to peruse through the buyers's services links.

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #77 on: May 28, 2013, 09:59:51 PM »
I've thought about buying used from private owners but I was always cynical and was concerned about being ripped off like the OP. I buy only from reputable vendors. I do buy used accessories, knives, etc. from private owners and try to use PayPal whenever possible. Small dollar amounts I will pay by money order or personal check if the seller doesn't mind. I always look for the seller's feedback and if they are old hand at buying and selling on the site they are advertising on. If the OP didn't do his homework prior to sending his money he learned a lesson. Cut the losses and move on.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2013, 10:13:48 PM by mauiblue »

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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2013, 03:45:05 AM »
Topic has run it's course.
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Re: armslist seller ripped me off
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2013, 07:17:23 AM »
I want to add that I've heard of these things happening before, so don't be so quick to judge the OP.

Quite a few people are victims of this kind of scam. I mean, if people never fell for it, this type of scam wouldn't even exist. The moral of the story is don't send money orders to people you meet on the internet, ever. Face to face is much, much, MUCH safer. Oh, and don't shop on Armslist.
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