I'm retired so yeah, I would.  If I was still working I would be a bit more eager to get the shot.  Right now I'm more meh.....all I do is stay home and once a week go grocery shopping.  I no go no place.

I tell my wife to get the shot as soon as she is eligible.  She is still working so I want her to get it.

Just wanted to update my stance on the "meh" as far as taking the vaccine.  Still meh. 

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Eventually I'll get a vaccination. Just not yet. It was offered to me months ago.
Several reasons why I turned down the offer.
1. Too new
2. Newer improved vaccines are still being rolled out
3. Not very active, socially.
4. Not planning to travel anywhere.

So basically, everyone has to weigh their particular risks and needs.
I do take an annual flu shot and I just got a shingles vaccine...ie. I'm not an anti-vaxxer

Your reasons are the same as mine.  On reason #4 I do plan to travel eventually.  After I retired I plan to visit places like Japan, Okinawa, Korea, Alaska, etc.  But not a good time right now.

I was a Vegas junkie prior to this covid BS.  Used to go at least 2-3 times a year.  I have no desire right now not so much because of the reports of people not following safety protocols.  It's more because there are fewer table games and what few they have has plexi-glass all over the fuckin place and the places to eat is few and far in-between.

And not all casinos and hotels are open and some if not all are not 24/7.  I'll wait.  No biggie.

If "they" come my house to give me the vaccine I would take it in a blink.  Otherwise, ahhh....when-eva.

Just wanted to update my stance on the "meh" as far as taking the vaccine.  Still meh. 


Your reasons are the same as mine.  On reason #4 I do plan to travel eventually.  After I retired I plan to visit places like Japan, Okinawa, Korea, Alaska, etc.  But not a good time right now.

I was a Vegas junkie prior to this covid BS.  Used to go at least 2-3 times a year.  I have no desire right now not so much because of the reports of people not following safety protocols.  It's more because there are fewer table games and what few they have has plexi-glass all over the fuckin place and the places to eat is few and far in-between.

And not all casinos and hotels are open and some if not all are not 24/7.  I'll wait.  No biggie.

If "they" come my house to give me the vaccine I would take it in a blink.  Otherwise, ahhh....when-eva.

If you have your NV CCW, they no longer do walks ins. You have to make an appt to schedule a walk in.  Right now the Metro has nothing available.

I follow YT on people gambling and I don't see any staff wiping machines in between users. Understandable not wiping chips and cards, but the machines can be done on a regular basis.  So gotta remember not to rub eyes or dig nose while playing. Gotta purell right after usage is done. Only 2 buffets on the strip are open. 1 is Wicked Spoon (Cosmo). IDK the other one.

I was fortunate enough to get the vaccine.  After completing both doses, i am on the mainland for a while, hunting turkeys and visiting family and friends.  The vaccine is like the golden ticket!  Yes, its possible I could still get infected .01% of vaccinated folks have) but highly highly unlikely it would be a serious case requiring hospitalization. So  I am surprised that only about a quarter of the poll respondents in this survey indicated they would get the vaccine.  Its a shame that this has been politicized and people are immune to facts, science and information.

My brother is a doctor here on the mainland. He gets death threats every day now, just for being a doctor.  Again, anybody that works with science or has an education seems to be a target of hatred, driven by politics and assumptions of some people.  Hard to understand.

You have to factor in that this poll was put up over a month ago.  Not much data was available on the side effects, risks or availability of the vaccine back then.  A lot has happened in the last 40 days.

Now that you know (and trust) that 0.01% of vaccinated people might contract the virus anyway, you're able to argue that point.  That data point didn't exist in mid-February.

Also, many people who opt out don't have a job, don't travel regularly by air, and/or don't care if they can't go to picnics and soccer games.  Not everyone lives the same lifestyle or has the same family  & friend situation.

It's easy to judge others when you assume everyone has the same situation and priorities as you.  Not everyone does.

What do you guys think of this?

Nutjob? Retired and then went nuts from boredom?

Dr. Michael Yeadon, Pfizer’s former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory who spent 32 years in the industry leading new medicines research and retired from the pharmaceutical giant with “the most senior research position” in his field, speaks-out about what he calls the coming carnage.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-your-government-is-lying-to-you-in-a-way-that-could-lead-to-your-death

https://headlineswithavoice.com/2021/04/07/pfizers-former-vice-president-sounds-multiple-alarms/

What do you guys think of this?

Nutjob? Retired and then went nuts from boredom?

Dr. Michael Yeadon, Pfizer’s former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory who spent 32 years in the industry leading new medicines research and retired from the pharmaceutical giant with “the most senior research position” in his field, speaks-out about what he calls the coming carnage.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-your-government-is-lying-to-you-in-a-way-that-could-lead-to-your-death

https://headlineswithavoice.com/2021/04/07/pfizers-former-vice-president-sounds-multiple-alarms/

That's the problem with this virus.  For every Dr. or like authority figure that says the vaxx is safe, there are another who says the opposite with the same credentials.  So in the end, it's a personal or business call why to take it or why not.

If I was 60+ I would take it.  I had a good life and got nothing to lose at that age.  But since I'm much younger than that, I'm hesitant.  There are no long term studies yet because it's so new.

That's the problem with this virus. For every Dr. or like authority figure that says the vaxx is safe, there are another who says the opposite with the same credentials.  So in the end, it's a personal or business call why to take it or why not.

If I was 60+ I would take it.  I had a good life and got nothing to lose at that age.  But since I'm much younger than that, I'm hesitant.  There are no long term studies yet because it's so new.

I believe this statement is misleading.  A large majority of Doctors say its safe.  A tiny minority says its not.

What do you guys think of this?

Nutjob? Retired and then went nuts from boredom?

Dr. Michael Yeadon, Pfizer’s former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory who spent 32 years in the industry leading new medicines research and retired from the pharmaceutical giant with “the most senior research position” in his field, speaks-out about what he calls the coming carnage.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-your-government-is-lying-to-you-in-a-way-that-could-lead-to-your-death

https://headlineswithavoice.com/2021/04/07/pfizers-former-vice-president-sounds-multiple-alarms/

People like him are the bad apples of doctors and give a bad name to other doctors.  Much like the bad apple police officers.

I think this part of what he says can be easily refuted, if it was false.

If not, then that he said makes sense, why are they lying?

“If I can show you that one major thing that governments around the world are telling the people is a lie, you should take my 32 years of experienced opinion that says, most of it, if not all of it, is a lie.”

“The most different variant is only 0.3% different from the original sequence as emailed out of Wuhan in … January 2020. 0.3% [is] the one [variant] that is the most different on the planet so far. And now another way of saying it is, ‘all of the variants are not less than 99.7% identical to each other.’

“Now, you might be thinking, ‘hmm, .3%, is that enough [to escape immunity and become more dangerous]?’ The answer is no. Get away, ya know, get out of here …

“The human immune system is a thing of wonder. What it does is when it faces a new pathogen like this, you’ve got professional cells, they’re called professional antigen-presenting cells —they’re kind of rough tough things that tend not to succumb to viruses. And their job is to grab foreign things in the near environment and tear them limb from limb [inside the cell]. They really cut them up into hundreds of pieces. And then they present these pieces on the surfaces of their cell to other bits of your immune system, and amazingly, because of the variability that God and nature gave you, huge variability to recognize foreign things, and your body ends up using 15 to 20 different specific motifs that it spots about this virus. They’re called epitopes, basically they’re just like little photographs of the details about this virus. That’s what they do. And that is what is called your repertoire, your immune repertoire is like 20 different accurate photographs, close-ups, of different bits of this virus.

“Now, if a tiny piece of the virus changes, like the .3% I’ve just described, if you are reinfected by that variant, your professional cells tear into that virus and cut it into pieces, present them again, and lo and behold, most of the pieces that you have already seen and recognized, are still there in the variants.

“There is absolutely no chance that all of them will fail to be recognized and that is what is required for immune escape, to escape your immunity. It must present to you as a new pathogen. It must be sufficiently different that, when it is cut up by your professional checker cells, it won’t find mostly the same thing it has seen before. And that is just absurdly impossible when you have only varied .3%, so it is 99.7% (similar).

“You can go and check that by looking at papers by a person called Alison Tarke. There is also Shane Crotty, and all of the other co-authors.

“And before them, coming from my theoretical understanding of multi-locus immunity, which is what I just badly tried to describe, to what actually happens … If your [immune system] is presented with something that contains even half of those similar pieces, there is no way your body will say, ‘that’s a new pathogen.’

“And, so, the idea that 0.3% could even have a chance of getting around immunity is just a lie. It’s not [even] like an opinion difference.

“I don’t think 3% would be enough. That’s 10 times more variation than has occurred in 16 months [with this virus]. I don’t even think 30% difference would be enough. So, I’m saying that 100 times more variation than has actually happened, would still leave me putting a big bet on the human immune system not being fooled that these are new pathogens.

“I’ve chatted this over with several professors of immunology and they agreed with me, it’s like, ‘why are you asking me this?’

“So, I think that what I’ve just said is that governments and their advisors in multiple countries are lying about variants. That’s a massive thing! You should check it out. Your readers should check it out. If it’s true, don’t you think it’s terrifying?! It was when I realized it.

Humans have 99% the same dna as chimpanzees. Is that 1% difference important?  You be the judge. 

Humans have 99% the same dna as chimpanzees. Is that 1% difference important?  You be the judge.

That is why I usually wait and see what is really going on when the other monkeys start screaming

Humans have 99% the same dna as chimpanzees. Is that 1% difference important?  You be the judge.

So would that make you a monkey's uncle?

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I believe this statement is misleading.  A large majority of Doctors say its safe.  A tiny minority says its not.

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doctors are courted my drug companies
my friend was a pharma sales rep
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I was going to get shot after my doc told me to get it.
I'm not so sure about that now.
Apparently a lot of other people feel the same way.

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doctors are courted my drug companies
my friend was a pharma sales rep
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I was going to get shot after my doc told me to get it.
I'm not so sure about that now.
Apparently a lot of other people feel the same way.

That's true of nearly every profession.  From car repair, construction to dental.  But we still trust the professionals.

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doctors are courted my drug companies
my friend was a pharma sales rep
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I was going to get shot after my doc told me to get it.
I'm not so sure about that now.
Apparently a lot of other people feel the same way.

I also look at it like a liability issue.  If they told you not to get it and you get sick, that opens up to a lawsuit.  If they tell you to get it and you get all jack3d up, then they can blame the CDC and Fauci and Biden, etc...Plus add in the protection of big pharma laws.

Same goes with why they themselves may get it.  If they got sick and gave it to staff or patients, then the lawyers will ask why they were not vaxxed when the CDC recommended it. 

I've had 2 real doctor friends off the record tell me not to get it and wait due to my age. 

So to each their own. If someone wants to get it, go for it.  If someone doesn't want to get it, then they should not have restrictions in public.  But for each side, they pay for any consequences that happen to them.

The only pharma stuff I take is excedrine for migrains. I don't take tylenol (i know the same ingredient is in excedrine) for fever or body aches and OTC stuff like that.  But I do take sports supplement stuff, so ain't that something.

That's true of nearly every profession.  From car repair, construction to dental.  But we I still trust the professionals.

FIFY

A very wise and trusted friend told me many times "trust but verify".  Something I have taken to heart.  There are many examples of scams/shams who appear to be legit, professional, SME, etc. only to find out that they are scams. 

FIFY

A very wise and trusted friend told me many times "trust but verify".  Something I have taken to heart.  There are many examples of scams/shams who appear to be legit, professional, SME, etc. only to find out that they are scams.

I agree, but if you have a bunch of professionals saying the same thing, it tends to hold more weight than your own opinion.  For example if you go to 3 different repair shops and they tell you your valves are bad, it probably is bad.  So if millions of doctors and the government are recommending a vaccine, it probably is good,  at least much better to listen to than some randoms on the internet or quackdoctors.

I agree, but if you have a bunch of professionals saying the same thing, it tends to hold more weight than your own opinion.  For example if you go to 3 different repair shops and they tell you your valves are bad, it probably is bad.  So if millions of doctors and the government are recommending a vaccine, it probably is good,  at least much better to listen to than some randoms on the internet or quackdoctors.

please prove "millions of doctors are recommending the vaccine"
start with the number of practicing physicians in the US...

please prove "millions of doctors are recommending the vaccine"
start with the number of practicing physicians in the US...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmra1111610#:~:text=Table%201%20shows%20that%20there,and%2018.1%20million%20nurses%20worldwide.

9.2 million doctors in the world.  "Millions" would mean only 25% of doctors would have to go on record supporting, hardly a difficult benchmark. 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmra1111610#:~:text=Table%201%20shows%20that%20there,and%2018.1%20million%20nurses%20worldwide.

9.2 million doctors in the world.  "Millions" would mean only 25% of doctors would have to go on record supporting, hardly a difficult benchmark.

that's not proof

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmra1111610#:~:text=Table%201%20shows%20that%20there,and%2018.1%20million%20nurses%20worldwide.

9.2 million doctors in the world.  "Millions" would mean only 25% of doctors would have to go on record supporting, hardly a difficult benchmark.

First, you can't identify (1) the population of "doctors" you are including (Does Dr. Jill Biden make the cut?), and (2) any survey of that defined population that supports ANY percentage you just pulled out of your arse.

Secondly, Science does not require a consensus.  No matter how many "doctors" parrot Fauci's messaging, the message doesn't magically become "science" based on numbers of people spouting it.