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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Heavies on December 27, 2013, 06:50:48 PM
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Squeaky wheels get the grease. If they don't know we are unsatisfied with the range progress, they won't get moving.
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Ready and willing
Can someone create a form email and create a link to email all them at one time
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Ready and willing
Can someone create a form email and create a link to email all them at one time
cut and paste email addys.....
kmpine@honolulu.gov
emartin@honolulu.gov
ianderson@honolulu.gov
ccldistrict4@honolulu.gov
akobayashi@honolulu.gov
cafukunaga@honolulu.gov
jmanahan@honolulu.gov
bharimoto@honolulu.gov
rmenor@honolulu.gov
Here is what I wrote, hope it will give you some good ideas on what to write. Please write something personal to you, or change it up a bit so that they don't think it is some bot or 'hawaii firearm lobby'. If it is more personal then they might consider it a little harder. Also, try to be polite, if can. No one likes to be scolded.
Hello Honorable Council,
I am not sure if you are aware of this, and I am not sure of who to contact or what to do about it. The city and county of Honolulu has SHUT DOWN the only public rifle range on the island of Oahu. This range serves the entire island. There is no place anywhere on this island where the public can exercise it's 2nd amendment right to bear arms. There is no other place the public can zero their rifles for hunting, no other place to practice good marksmanship, there is no place for people to practice safe firearms handling skills with live fire. I had been announced that repairs to the backstop would be commenced and the range would be re-opened by January, however work has NOT EVEN BEGUN, and it is unsure of when, if ever, the work will be done. This attack on the rights of our citizens is NONSTOP.
This is an unsafe and unacceptable condition. People need to have an area that can be used for practice and zeroing of rifles. One cannot go out into the field hunting with a rifle that has not been properly sighted and practiced with. It also would be a concern of dispatching the game animal humanely and quickly.
Please, if you can give me any ideas on how we can get the city and county to re-open the range, or even convince them to open more ranges on this island. We pose a special consideration, if there is no open range, we cannot just simply drive to an other locale to exercise our rights.
Please let me know any options that we can consider.
Thank you,
[Heavies]
City council web page:
http://www1.honolulu.gov/Council/ccl.htm (http://www1.honolulu.gov/Council/ccl.htm)
Might be a good idea to write your state rep too, just for good measure.
Senate:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=S (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=S)
House:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=H (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=H)
You know they live in a freakin bubble and don't know anything but what the biased news feeds them.
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Ill post any replies I get next week.
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Here is the one I sent to my district CCM
Hello,
The closure of the only public range on island was to make emergency repairs. These repairs have progressed in a very non-emergent fashion. This is the only public place that Oahu residents are legally able to exercise their 2nd Amendment right. Please see that repairs are done quickly as promised, as it seems to be stalled.
I would also love a public range on West Oahu, but with the lack of support for Koko Head by the State, I doubt it will ever happen.
I wonder how fast repairs would be made if it was the only public golf course on Oahu instead of a range ?
Thank you for looking into this and for any help you can provide.
REPLY:
Thank you for writing. We will look into this. I am assigning my staff member Matt to handle this issue.
Kym
Councilmember Kymberly Marcos Pine
Honolulu City Council, District 1
530 South King Street | Honolulu , HI 96813
Office: 808.768.5001
www.councilmemberpine.com (http://www.councilmemberpine.com)
www.facebook.com/Kymberly.Marcos.Pine (http://www.facebook.com/Kymberly.Marcos.Pine)
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Same response here.
Thank you for writing. We will look into this. I am assigning my staff member Matt to handle this issue.
Kym
Councilmember Kymberly Marcos PineHonolulu City Council, District 1530 South King Street | Honolulu, HI 96813
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Also response from Breene Harimoto...
Thank you for your email. I appreciate hearing your concerns. Coincidentally, before the rifle range was closed, I asked the Director of the Dept. of Parks and Recreation to take my staff and me on a tour of the shooting range facility so we could see the conditions for ourselves, and also to address a list of concerns, including operations and safety. These concerns were brought up last year and I wanted to get an update on the department's progress. I was shocked to find out several days later that the rifle range was closed for safety reasons. And now, I am even more shocked to find out from you that there are deeper issues that may delay or even prevent re-opening of the rifle range. The Council has thus far not received any communications from the Administration about this situation. My meeting with the Director is scheduled for Jan. 13 so your information is timely. Although I do not own any firearms and I am not a firearm enthusiast, I fully understand the issue of constitutional rights and our responsibility to properly maintain and operate the shooting facility so I am very concerned. I will be holding the Administration's feet to the fire to expedite necessary repairs and operational improvements. I will also encourage the Administration to pursue more vigorously greater collaboration and partnerships with the firearms community.
Thank you again for sharing your information and concerns with me.thanks. breene.
Breene HarimotoHonolulu City CouncilDistrict 8 (Aiea - Pearl City - Waipahu)
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Councilmember Anderson asked that I follow-up with you, regarding the status of theKokohead Shooting Range’s closure. We have made an inquiry with the Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) regarding the timetable for re-opening of the closed area. As soon as we receive a response from them I will follow-up with you. As far the possibility of establishing another public shooting range, somewhere on Oahu, this is an issue that the Council has previously discussed with the administration and the underlying issue, as with most things, is the cost. A few sites were identified as having the physical characteristics necessary to support a new facility but would require significant capital investment that the City currently does not have. Hopefully, in the future, the City will be able to develop additional locations but until such time as there is sufficient funding we are limited to the one site at Kokohead.
Again, once we receive a response from the department I will follow-up with you. If you should have any additional comments or questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Mahalo,
Andrew MalahoffSenior Legislative AideOffice of Councilmember Ikaika Anderson
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Awaiting my replies
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My letter:
Aloha,
I am writing to ask your help. As you are hopefully aware, the rifle range at the Kokohead Shooting Complex was recently closed due to safety concerns. Whether these concerns were warranted or not, "emergency measures" were approved to get the range repaired and operational again.
So far, the only portion of the repairs to be undertaken is the piling of materials in the adjacent silhouette range, closing that as well.
You surely understand that there is exactly one public shooting facility on the island of Oahu. Although it contains several areas, each customized for a specific type of firearm and a specific sport, there is exactly one rifle range, which remains closed. There is one metallic silhouette range, which is now also closed.
This is obviously unacceptable. The KHSC is the most utilized of all parks on the island if not in the state. There is no alternative location for people to utilize. Please take steps to ensure that these emergency repairs are concluded expediently and that the range is reopened.
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My letter:
Liking it!
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I got the exact same response just replace your name with mine
Also response from Breene Harimoto...
Thank you for your email. I appreciate hearing your concerns. Coincidentally, before the rifle range was closed, I asked the Director of the Dept. of Parks and Recreation to take my staff and me on a tour of the shooting range facility so we could see the conditions for ourselves, and also to address a list of concerns, including operations and safety. These concerns were brought up last year and I wanted to get an update on the department's progress. I was shocked to find out several days later that the rifle range was closed for safety reasons. And now, I am even more shocked to find out from you that there are deeper issues that may delay or even prevent re-opening of the rifle range. The Council has thus far not received any communications from the Administration about this situation. My meeting with the Director is scheduled for Jan. 13 so your information is timely. Although I do not own any firearms and I am not a firearm enthusiast, I fully understand the issue of constitutional rights and our responsibility to properly maintain and operate the shooting facility so I am very concerned. I will be holding the Administration's feet to the fire to expedite necessary repairs and operational improvements. I will also encourage the Administration to pursue more vigorously greater collaboration and partnerships with the firearms community.
Thank you again for sharing your information and concerns with me.thanks. breene.
Breene HarimotoHonolulu City CouncilDistrict 8 (Aiea - Pearl City - Waipahu)
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Follow up:
I got the same response from Breene. However, it came within a few hours of me initial email, well after business hours. So I wrote back, inviting him to come play:
Thank you for your timely reply. I appreciate you looking into this and your understanding of the situation.
If you would like, I will be happy to take you out shooting some time. I am an NRA-certified instructor, and a longtime volunteer with Lessons In Firearms Education. Although I'd like to think you'll have a good time, even should it not turn out to be your cup of tea, you would be better informed about KHSC, its use, and the wide range of cultures of the people who frequent it.
And again he responded:
Thank you for our offer. Sometime in the future I may take you up on your offer to meet with you to learn more about the use of the facility from a user and expert point of view. However, I will pass on the shooting part. I must admit that I personally don't like guns and I prefer not handling them, but I understand that I cannot impose my view of guns on others. As an elected official, I will fully uphold and defend the rights of our citizens to bear arms, and thus, ensure that the City shooting facility is re-opened to the public as soon as possible and needed repairs are made and operating hours extended so that firearm owners can adequately practice and be trained. And a related matter is following up on last year's discussion with HPD on making improvements to the firearms registration process. Last year the Council asked HPD to open additional registration sites but HPD said that was not feasible due to space and personnel restrictions, but instead agreed to look at streamlining the registration process. I need to follow up with HPD to get a report of their findings and plans.
Now, while I don't know anything about this guy's voting history, I have to say I like what he says here. Despite not liking guns, he says that not only will he follow through on my request, he even brings up other matters that he wants to pursue. If we take his response at face value, then we need more people like this in office.
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Follow up:
I got the same response from Breene. However, it came within a few hours of me initial email, well after business hours. So I wrote back, inviting him to come play:
And again he responded:
Now, while I don't know anything about this guy's voting history, I have to say I like what he says here. Despite not liking guns, he says that not only will he follow through on my request, he even brings up other matters that he wants to pursue. If we take his response at face value, then we need more people like this in office.
bravo, tom_g
great work
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Well, so far no more responses to the emails sent out.
So far NO PROGRESS on the repairs!
Talked to the pistol side range master, he said repairs to begin monday. But he also said that 'they' didn't specify which monday the repairs would begin... next month, next year, next life. ... who knows? ???
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Well, so far no more responses to the emails sent out.
So far NO PROGRESS on the repairs!
Talked to the pistol side range master, he said repairs to begin monday. But he also said that 'they' didn't specify which monday the repairs would begin... next month, next year, next life. ... who knows? ???
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i've been told "monday" for the past 3 weeks
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Wonder why they didn't just "stage" the sand in the rifle range area instead of block the silhouette side.
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Wonder why they didn't just "stage" the sand in the rifle range area instead of block the silhouette side.
it's only blocking the left side of the silly side
the right hand targets are not blocked at all
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sent emails. I urge everyone, their family, friends, associates, write them as well.
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Shooting Sports Hawaii just posted a missive on Facebook, claiming information from Mike. Lots of info, but here are some salient points:
-repair work is stalled pending environmental concerns;
-repair work is for the 100 yard line only. When the range reopens, only 100 yards targets will be allowed;
-no steel targets allowed;
-most shooting positions will be restricted to bench only.
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:shaka:
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:shaka:
thank you very much Tom and Mac :thumbsup:
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Shooting Sports Hawaii just posted a missive on Facebook, claiming information from Mike. Lots of info, but here are some salient points:
-repair work is stalled pending environmental concerns;
-repair work is for the 100 yard line only. When the range reopens, only 100 yards targets will be allowed;
-no steel targets allowed;
-most shooting positions will be restricted to bench only.
So basically, the rifle range will be more boring than ever! SMH... IF IT EVER IS REPAIRED.
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Tell me you didn't see this coming? Sucks ass but that is the reality of it! :shaka:
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Tell me you didn't see this coming? Sucks ass but that is the reality of it! :shaka:
We need a new public rifle range on Oahu! City should procure an old cane field next to the mountain in central Oahu, make a REAL rifle range(1K plus with pits and set up for competitions etc)
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So how the campaign going? Any other replies?
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So how the campaign going? Any other replies?
I will post any replies. I just sent it off yesterday.
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I have not got any other replies from the other council members. So I guess they do not care about what we shooters require.
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Why not open the range to calibers less than 30 cal (or some power limitation) in the meantime since not all rounds could even physically possibly reach the residential areas in question?
I understand (sort of) the guilty before proven innocent attitude in the name of safety, but how about an actual attempt and update as to the investigation on whether the bullets came from the range, via ricochet or otherwise? If not a ricochet (which physics suggests is unlikely), the safety changes while all well and good, probably aren't really truly an improvement in preventing large caliber negligent discharges into the air.
Taking away shooting at 50 yards is even worse to me than not being able to shoot at less than 25 yds at the pistol range. Whatever the original design considerations were, how about some common sense in realizing that with the right guidelines this can obviously be done safely.
Anyone think I'm missing something? I'm trying to figure out the logic behind the rules that they have, but think there are superior alternatives out there to these additional senselessly restrictive rules. Very upsetting.
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Isn't C&C in violation of State law regarding a designated place for the public to be adequately trained and proficient with their firearms so as to legally comply with State law directly relating to firearm ownership as the law is currently on the books? Yes there ARE other shooting ranges on the island but NOT that are available to the general public as Kokohead is appointed as the designated dedicated public range facility. Schofield Barracks, Iroquois Point, MCAS Kaneohe and probably the Boy Scout range at Pupukea if you are content with 25 yards....but those are ALL private facilities and NOT open to the public on a regular basis. SHouldn't somebody consider the possibility of filing suit or even just the threat or inference of such might get some people off their dead okoles.....just sayin....
What is the status of the range project out at Barbers Point, BTW?
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Why not open the range to calibers less than 30 cal (or some power limitation) in the meantime since not all rounds could even physically possibly reach the residential areas in question?
great question
i hope to find out sometime in the next few weeks
stay tuned
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Isn't C&C in violation of State law regarding a designated place for the public to be adequately trained and proficient with their firearms so as to legally comply with State law directly relating to firearm ownership as the law is currently on the books?
interesting
can you provide the wording you are referring to?
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What is the status of the range project out at Barbers Point, BTW?
the parks department is exploring options at kalaeloa
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Whatever the original design considerations were, how about some common sense in realizing that with the right guidelines this can obviously be done safely.
problem is, common sense went out the window a long time ago
the reason they are going back to the original design considerations is that if they go beyond the original design and something goes wrong, the city is LIABLE
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interesting
can you provide the wording you are referring to?
There was a discussion which FunTimes was involved in some time ago, can't remember if it was here or on the FB page. It came up during that discussion about being able to comply with the requirements of the law that he was challenging regarding the "may issue" denial even though he (by my estimation and reasoning) had a "valid reason or cause" and should NOT have been denied.
In essence, the state law requires citizens owning firearms to be "competent and proficient with safe use" with firearm(s) owned and prohibiting use of a "public access" range facility would preclude such a "requirement" on citizens as they would NOT have a State sanctioned facility in which to do so. If the State "in effect" prohibits use at a public access facility, then citizens would not have a reasonable opportunity to comply with the "competent and proficiency with safe use" conditions required by the law. Those with military affiliation have access to range facilities but that is NOT the general public nor the majority of the population base that has opportunity to legally purchase and own firearms (in state).
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Wonder why they didn't just "stage" the sand in the rifle range area instead of block the silhouette side.
Probably couldn't get the dump truck on the rifle range, don't think there is any roads or access for vehicles unless they tear down the berms or walls.
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Why not open the range to calibers less than 30 cal (or some power limitation) in the meantime since not all rounds could even physically possibly reach the residential areas in question?
I believe .223 has a maximum range of 1.5 miles, so could go over the mountain. Even 22lr could go 1.5 miles, if you believe the writing on the ammo box.
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Have you asked the mayor why they haven't just considered filling the entire range to make it level, so that people can shoot at closer ranges?
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i don't want to disappoint you, but i don't get to "ask the mayor" much at all
the military term is "above my pay grade"
i hope to get some facetime with key players in the next week or two, and i'll report what i can
that said, filling in the entire range is one of the possible options
i think there are drainage issues involved, as shown by the river that forms in the low spot just past the benches when it rains
another option is having a raised target area like at the pistol side
targets must be raised to a height where the bullet impact will be in the middle of the berm, so that's a pretty significant distance the targets must be raised
i think the main goal right now is to restore the berm and get back the 100 yard line, and build the eyebrows, then figure out what to do about the 50 yard line
the range was only designed for 100 yards, and it may have to stay that way because of time/cost factors
like i said, i hopefully will have things to say over the next few days/weeks, but i cannot promise anything right now
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Smallbore leage must be irate over this.
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Well, so far no more responses to the emails sent out.
So far NO PROGRESS on the repairs!
Talked to the pistol side range master, he said repairs to begin monday. But he also said that 'they' didn't specify which monday the repairs would begin... next month, next year, next life. ... who knows? ???
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man what a beautiful day to go shoot. Sad day.
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problem is, common sense went out the window a long time ago
the reason they are going back to the original design considerations is that if they go beyond the original design and something goes wrong, the city is LIABLE
mac, I know I'm not arguing with you, and I don't doubt that's the argument/excuse that may be put out there, but I don't see how it justifies the decision. Someone designed KHSC 60 some years ago (or whatever it is) and I imagine there aren't many people who would like to accept the liability of any design changes, but there must be some standards or some agency that can be used/paid to update/approve the other uses that have been going on safely for decades.
Really, if they need to make changes, how hard is it to throw some dirt out at 50 yds so you can place your targets (taller if necessary) so they're right in line with the 100yd berm?
Liability? I know 2 wrongs don't make a right, but there's a ton of liability for the state continuing to allow people to go hike an unauthorized and unmaintained trail above a shooting range too. If a sign telling people not to trespass up there is sufficient liability prevention, so should a sign that says don't shoot your rifle over koko head.
To try and keep this constructive, does anyone know who could/would certify a range like this to acceptable safety standards?
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I believe .223 has a maximum range of 1.5 miles, so could go over the mountain. Even 22lr could go 1.5 miles, if you believe the writing on the ammo box.
Any ballistics experts out there know at what range .22LR or .223 ceases to be dangerous in terms of those bullets' horizontal velocity? I'm assuming since you have to shoot up, the downward velocity can be no more than terminal velocity (and not dangerous- see mythbusters). And in order to shoot over the mountain, you're already significantly reducing the horizontal velocity that the bullet was travelling initially. My gut tells me there' no way a .22LR is dangerous at the range. Not sure about a .223.
Of course according to Mike Muramoto, the only bullets found out in the houses were 30 cal or so. Sure I'd like to shoot my .308 again, but why not let me shoot my 10/22 while I wait for these people to get their act together.
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mac, I know I'm not arguing with you, and I don't doubt that's the argument/excuse that may be put out there, but I don't see how it justifies the decision. Someone designed KHSC 60 some years ago (or whatever it is) and I imagine there aren't many people who would like to accept the liability of any design changes, but there must be some standards or some agency that can be used/paid to update/approve the other uses that have been going on safely for decades.
Really, if they need to make changes, how hard is it to throw some dirt out at 50 yds so you can place your targets (taller if necessary) so they're right in line with the 100yd berm?
Liability? I know 2 wrongs don't make a right, but there's a ton of liability for the state continuing to allow people to go hike an unauthorized and unmaintained trail above a shooting range too. If a sign telling people not to trespass up there is sufficient liability prevention, so should a sign that says don't shoot your rifle over koko head.
To try and keep this constructive, does anyone know who could/would certify a range like this to acceptable safety standards?
no, we're not arguing at all
i think we are likely in agreement on a lot of things
i was just saying what the city's response was going to be
sorry if i am stifling discussion, that is not my desire
the NRA and NSSF (national shooting sports federation) i believe are the leaders in range safety standards
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mac, I know I'm not arguing with you, and I don't doubt that's the argument/excuse that may be put out there, but I don't see how it justifies the decision. Someone designed KHSC 60 some years ago (or whatever it is) and I imagine there aren't many people who would like to accept the liability of any design changes, but there must be some standards or some agency that can be used/paid to update/approve the other uses that have been going on safely for decades.
Really, if they need to make changes, how hard is it to throw some dirt out at 50 yds so you can place your targets (taller if necessary) so they're right in line with the 100yd berm?
Liability? I know 2 wrongs don't make a right, but there's a ton of liability for the state continuing to allow people to go hike an unauthorized and unmaintained trail above a shooting range too. If a sign telling people not to trespass up there is sufficient liability prevention, so should a sign that says don't shoot your rifle over koko head.
To try and keep this constructive, does anyone know who could/would certify a range like this to acceptable safety standards?
I'd like to piggyback on that sentiment. I traveled to NC several times last year, and I took a couple of handguns to shoot at the local ranges (not to mention having the right to open carry!).
Each range requires their customers to join and meet membership requirements. The process of joining includes reading the range rules, watching a safety video and taking a quick test. They examine your ammo to make sure it isn't reloads or contains steel cores (indoor range rules).
By reading the rules, watching the video and passing the test, you satisfy the range's liability requirements for proper safety measures.
I think the C&C, if worried about liability, should start with education of the shooters. Just a thought.....
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I'd like to piggyback on that sentiment. I traveled to NC several times last year, and I took a couple of handguns to shoot at the local ranges (not to mention having the right to open carry!).
Each range requires their customers to join and meet membership requirements. The process of joining includes reading the range rules, watching a safety video and taking a quick test. They examine your ammo to make sure it isn't reloads or contains steel cores (indoor range rules).
By reading the rules, watching the video and passing the test, you satisfy the range's liability requirements for proper safety measures.
I think the C&C, if worried about liability, should start with education of the shooters. Just a thought.....
hmm
great idea
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To try and keep this constructive, does anyone know who could/would certify a range like this to acceptable safety standards?
The C&C COULD choose to request "standards and regulations" from the military community and use or develop their own "safety standards" based on what the military uses. They could also consider a sanctioning body like IPSC, IDPA or even the Olympic Committee. The fact that they are being absolutely lazy is glaringly obvious and goes to prove just how ignorant they are about the things they "govern" over.
Instead of open berms for instance they could build covered traps like I saw and used while stationed in Germany as well as at several range facilities across the country. Railroad ties are relatively inexpensive but in the case for Hawaii, local materials could be used or even recycled materials from construction sites and so on after demolitions take place. Build a suitable structure and before the roof/cap is placed, stack discarded tires along the back wall and fill them with sand/dirt and make it two rows deep. Then in front of the tire stacks, pile in a sloped layer of fill (sand/dirt or mixed). Sure there will be strays that aren't caught but the vast majority will be and more than safely contained. This still wouldn't safely open up the hiking trail because one HAS to protect and plan for the strays. There REALLY are plenty of other places to hike, BTW.
Back to the C&C's liability and even the State's. If they are going to enforce the language in the law about "competent and proficient with safe operation and handling"....then by default THEY have to provide the venue with public access. They dictated the conditions in the language used, they cannot implement (directly nor indirectly for an indefinite time period) restrictions preventing law abiding citizens from compliance.
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that said, filling in the entire range is one of the possible options
Estimating the time and cost of doing the above, I believe it would be faster and cheaper to lower the shooting bay by building a shooting bay below the existing one !
Scabbing from the existing bay would lower costs even more or if left as is, a GREAT spectator venue / waiting area. :geekdanc:
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Councilmember Anderson asked that I follow-up with you, regarding the status of theKokohead Shooting Range’s closure. We have made an inquiry with the Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) regarding the timetable for re-opening of the closed area. As soon as we receive a response from them I will follow-up with you. As far the possibility of establishing another public shooting range, somewhere on Oahu, this is an issue that the Council has previously discussed with the administration and the underlying issue, as with most things, is the cost. A few sites were identified as having the physical characteristics necessary to support a new facility but would require significant capital investment that the City currently does not have. Hopefully, in the future, the City will be able to develop additional locations but until such time as there is sufficient funding we are limited to the one site at Kokohead.
Again, once we receive a response from the department I will follow-up with you. If you should have any additional comments or questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Mahalo,
Andrew MalahoffSenior Legislative AideOffice of Councilmember Ikaika Anderson
I would be very intersted in the few sites were identified as having the physical characteristics necessary to support a new facility as I'm sure the shooting community could come up with a fair portion of significant capital investment
I'ts much easier to start from scratch and a berm is just a pile of dirt pushed with a loader.
The shooting bays are nothing 2x2's and 4x4's on asphalt covered by a tin roof.
I could live with a dirt parking lot.
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Koko Head rifle range will be closed for a long time. They'll probably need to do an environmental inpact study, get more funding due to the size of the project, and hazmat now. I think the positive is it provides a strong reason to open another range somewhere else. If money is a concern, I wouldn't mind paying range fees as long as it goes back into the range.
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http://rangeservices.nra.org/range-grants.aspx (http://rangeservices.nra.org/range-grants.aspx)
http://rangeservices.nra.org/public-range-fund-grant-program.aspx (http://rangeservices.nra.org/public-range-fund-grant-program.aspx)
http://www.nssfblog.com/nssf-range-grant-program-awards-399456-to-16-shooting-facilities/ (http://www.nssfblog.com/nssf-range-grant-program-awards-399456-to-16-shooting-facilities/)
There are many opportunities for the city to get funding for repair , maintenance, and building of shooting range facilitties! They just DON'T CARE TO DO IT. We need to get on their butts, and get them moving!
Did you know that every firearm and ammo purchase has an excise tax that is supposed to fund things like these.
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emailed City Council and State rep over the weekend with no responses from anyone so far... :grrr:
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I went ahead and emailed again asking for updates and status on repairs and also inquired about opening of new range facilities.
Hello,
Thank you for your time in this matter. As of today, nothing has yet been accomplished at the rifle range. Also, the silhouette portion of the range has also been shut down. This portion of the range is used for pistols and .22 rifles only. There have been no (alleged) complaints of rounds escaping this area, I wanted to know why this area has also been closed. The material is staged away from the firing area, and this area can still be used if work is not being done.
The law requires that firearms owners be proficient in safe handling of their firearms. The closure of the range make safe practice and handling unobtainable.
The city should be looking at opening an additional firing range in central Oahu areas. These old cane field areas close to the mountain and far from residential area would prove safer and offer longer range rifle training opportunities for the ever growing firearm owners living on this island.
There are options from organizations such as the NRA and NSSF for monies to fund new range projects and upkeep of existing facilities. Also, is there not a federal excise tax placed on all firearm and ammunition purchases that is purposed for hunter education and firing range construction, upkeep, and maintenance? Why are these funds not being looked into? Also, local firearms shops have approached the city on occasions willing to assist in funding and opening new firing ranges in joint venture. What are the status of these options?
Included are links to the various organizations that may be able to assist in this. I ask you to take these into consideration.
http://www.grants.gov/web/grants/search-grants.html?keywords=F14AS00028 (http://www.grants.gov/web/grants/search-grants.html?keywords=F14AS00028)
http://rangeservices.nra.org/range-grants.aspx (http://rangeservices.nra.org/range-grants.aspx)
http://rangeservices.nra.org/public-range-fund-grant-program.aspx (http://rangeservices.nra.org/public-range-fund-grant-program.aspx)
http://www.nssfblog.com/nssf-range-grant-program-awards-399456-to-16-shooting-facilities/ (http://www.nssfblog.com/nssf-range-grant-program-awards-399456-to-16-shooting-facilities/)
Thank you for your time and please get back to me with updates on the progress.
Sincerely,
[Heavies]
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Great job, heavies
Except for the part about "ever growing firearms owners"
While true for a lot of us, me included, you probably meant something slightly different
:)
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haha, my igurish skills got me again.. hehe
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I got a rather quick reply from Brenne Harimoto. Sounds like he might be at least trying to get some answers. I did see that he is trying to run for state legislature, or something like that, in the news or somewhere, I can't remember, so I hope this isn't just an appeasement measure to garner votes. So, please take it with a grain... If he is a supporter of anti gun agendas, take that into consideration when the time comes.
[Heavies],
I just spoke with the Director of the Dept. of Parks and Recreation today and she informed me that some work is scheduled to begin on Monday. My staff and I are scheduled to do a site visit at the shooting range on Monday to get a tour and discuss the situation with the Director. She informed to today that she will not be prepared to present to me the information I asked for but at least I will be able to tour the facility and discuss my concerns with her, and hopefully understand her plan to re-open the facility. In addition, the Council's Parks Committee agenda for next week Tuesday's meeting was published the other day with an item for an update on the shooting range but late this afternoon we received a notice informing us that this item is being canceled. Tomorrow I will try to find out why this item was canceled.
thanks. breene.
Breene Harimoto
Honolulu City Council
District 8 (Aiea - Pearl City - Waipahu)
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If repeated postponement and item cancellations continue, the case can be made that the C&C/State is being willful or purposefully negligent in providing a public access facility for citizens to be in compliance with the law as it stands on the books currently....thus opening the door for possible litigation in addition to pending litigation against the Police Chief and Governor in direct relation to Constitutional Rights protected under the 2nd Amendment. Start ramping up the potential for litigation and liability on the part of C&C and/or the State and the squeaky wheel just may get greased.....additional facility and/or something more than the redundant and repeated "work is scheduled for Monday (but no date) excuse....just sayin.....
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I got a rather quick reply from Brenne Harimoto. Sounds like he might be at least trying to get some answers. I did see that he is trying to run for state legislature, or something like that, in the news or somewhere, I can't remember, so I hope this isn't just an appeasement measure to garner votes. So, please take it with a grain... If he is a supporter of anti gun agendas, take that into consideration when the time comes.
I personally know Breene, so I can confirm that he is pressing for answers (as I continuously ask him for updates). He is running for a seat in the State Senate, but I've been pestering him about our very prohibitive gun laws for a long time now so this is not a new issue to him.
Anyway, I hope this gets resolved ASAP...I have 2 new AR's I need to zero! :grrr:
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Just got this.
Aloha Mr. B
I just wanted to follow-up with, regarding the Kokohead complex. Although we have not yet received a official response to our inquiry, on your behalf, from the administration the Council’s Parks committee will be holding a hearing on this issue next week Tuesday. The hearing begins at 10:30am and can be viewed, live, on Olelo Channel 54. If you wish to submit testimony, you may do so by following this link: http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/testify.htm (http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/testify.htm)
As always, please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of further assistance.
Mahalo,
Andrew Malahoff
Senior Legislative Aide
Office of Councilmember Ikaika Anderson
Telephone 808-768-5003
Fax 808-768-1214
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I just got another follow-up:
I just wanted to follow-up with, regarding the Kokohead complex. Although we have not yet received a official response to our inquiry, on your behalf, from the administration the Council’s Parks committee will be holding a hearing on this issue next week Tuesday. The hearing begins at 10:30am and can be viewed, live, on Olelo Channel 54. If you wish to submit testimony, you may do so by following this link: http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/testify.htm (http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/testify.htm)
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I personally know Breene, so I can confirm that he is pressing for answers (as I continuously ask him for updates). He is running for a seat in the State Senate, but I've been pestering him about our very prohibitive gun laws for a long time now so this is not a new issue to him.
Anyway, I hope this gets resolved ASAP...I have 2 new AR's I need to zero! :grrr:
Thank you for your efforts! Please continue, your help is very much appreciated. :thumbsup: :shaka:
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Just got this.
Aloha Mr. B
I just wanted to follow-up with, regarding the Kokohead complex. Although we have not yet received a official response to our inquiry, on your behalf, from the administration the Council’s Parks committee will be holding a hearing on this issue next week Tuesday. The hearing begins at 10:30am and can be viewed, live, on Olelo Channel 54. If you wish to submit testimony, you may do so by following this link: http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/testify.htm (http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/testify.htm)
As always, please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of further assistance.
Mahalo,
Andrew Malahoff
Senior Legislative Aide
Office of Councilmember Ikaika Anderson
Telephone 808-768-5003
Fax 808-768-1214
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SAME Tuesday Committee meeting in Heavies post that stated that item was cancelled?
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Basically the same response here as well, except he gives the room number. It is courious that one report says the item was cancelled, and newest response says it is still on? ???
Thank you for your input and for sharing your research. I will pass this on to Councilmember Anderson and the director for consideration. Just for your information: the Council’s Parks committee will be having an informational briefing on the range next week Tuesday. The meeting will be held in the Council’s committee meeting room, 2nd Floor of Honolulu Hale, at10:30am. All Council meetings are broadcast live on Olelo (Channel 54) if you’d prefer to monitor the meeting remotely.
Again, thank you for your efforts!
Mahalo,
Andrew MalahoffSenior Legislative AideOffice of Councilmember Ikaika Anderson
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I will try and make this meeting before I start work. Hopefully others here can go as well.
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I will try and make this meeting before I start work. Hopefully others here can go as well.
i think we should try and determine the status of the meeting first
does anyone have any contacts to find out?
>:D O0 :thumbsup:
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I just spoke with Breene...the item IS officially cancelled. The chairperson of that committee stated that he needed more time to find out what's going on. They MAY still accept testimonies, but that's not a sure thing and they will not discuss further due to it not being on the schedule.
I did stress that the public is getting impatient and the ball needs to get rolling or action might be taken against the city, for whatever its worth.
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I just spoke with Breene...the item IS officially cancelled. The chairperson of that committee stated that he needed more time to find out what's going on. They MAY still accept testimonies, but that's not a sure thing and they will not discuss further due to it not being on the schedule.
I did stress that the public is getting impatient and the ball needs to get rolling or action might be taken against the city, for whatever its worth.
mahalo survivor
please keep us updated when you can
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Aloha All,
Decided to drop by the KHSC on the way home today, got there at 1600L so there were just a handful of guys still over by the handgun side. There's now a big pile of red dirt in front of the pile of sand on the silhouette side and several survey stakes setup on the rifle side (when compared to the previously posted images). I was not the only one checking things out... Our esteemed Hawaii Kai Neighborhood Board chair did a little drive by as well :wtf: Probably making sure the coast was clear in order to find handgun bullets or shot from the trap range for the next board meeting...
Hope the REALLY start working this soon. Sadly I'm in the same boat as the others here, several emails but no real response other than what's already been said.
Boomah :shaka:
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Aloha All,
Decided to drop by the KHSC on the way home today, got there at 1600L so there were just a handful of guys still over by the handgun side. There's now a big pile of red dirt in front of the pile of sand on the silhouette side and several survey stakes setup on the rifle side (when compared to the previously posted images). I was not the only one checking things out... Our esteemed Hawaii Kai Neighborhood Board chair did a little drive by as well :wtf: Probably making sure the coast was clear in order to find handgun bullets or shot from the trap range for the next board meeting...
Hope the REALLY start working this soon. Sadly I'm in the same boat as the others here, several emails but no real response other than what's already been said.
Boomah :shaka:
thanks boom
that's new from yesterday afternoon
what kind of car was he driving?
i'm thinking prius or leaf
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No problem macsak, least I can do :shaka:
And he was in a Camry, had a hat on all incognito like, but it was him...
Boomah
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Aloha All,
Our esteemed Hawaii Kai Neighborhood Board chair did a little drive by as well :wtf: Probably making sure the coast was clear in order to find handgun bullets or shot from the trap range for the next board meeting...
Boomah :shaka:
WTF x 1000000
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No problem macsak, least I can do :shaka:
And he was in a Camry, had a hat on all incognito like, but it was him...
Boomah
Buwahahahahaahaha what a tool!
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I just got an email from Breene with some interesting info:
"I just completed my visit to the shooting range and meeting with the
Director of the Dept. of Parks and Recreation. Our visit was cut
short because construction work began as we were there and because of
EPA regulations regarding contamination, everyone had to leave,
including HPD and Coast Guard personnel who had permits for today.
Workers were in white overalls with their entire bodies and heads
covered.
I was informed that the entire shooting range will be closed for this
short-term solution. The Director said that she hopes it will re-open
in two weeks. I asked her how she is communicating with the shooting
community, and she responded that they have a great website. If she
is not communicating well to keep everyone informed, please let me
know.
Assuming that she is properly informing the shooting community, you
should already know what the short-term plan for remediation is, and
what the long-term solution is that will take many years and much
funding to complete.
When I asked about partnering with the shooting community to have them
operate the entire facility, she said that she is considering that. I
have suggestions as to how to make this work.
thanks."
So it looks like the entire complex is shut down until the work is completed...hopefully by the end of the month.
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I just got an email from Breene with some interesting info:
"I just completed my visit to the shooting range and meeting with the
Director of the Dept. of Parks and Recreation. Our visit was cut
short because construction work began as we were there and because of
EPA regulations regarding contamination, everyone had to leave,
including HPD and Coast Guard personnel who had permits for today.
Workers were in white overalls with their entire bodies and heads
covered.
I was informed that the entire shooting range will be closed for this
short-term solution. The Director said that she hopes it will re-open
in two weeks. I asked her how she is communicating with the shooting
community, and she responded that they have a great website. If she
is not communicating well to keep everyone informed, please let me
know.
Assuming that she is properly informing the shooting community, you
should already know what the short-term plan for remediation is, and
what the long-term solution is that will take many years and much
funding to complete.
When I asked about partnering with the shooting community to have them
operate the entire facility, she said that she is considering that. I
have suggestions as to how to make this work.
thanks."
So it looks like the entire complex is shut down until the work is completed...hopefully by the end of the month.
Good to know that work is being done. Time line seams to coincide with what the mayor was saying this morning on the radio.