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Title: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Kingkeoni on October 25, 2011, 11:38:45 AM
What's the dumbest thing you've heard said about guns.

Whether in person or on a forum or whatever.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Kingkeoni on October 25, 2011, 11:40:19 AM
The thing I hear a lot and absolutely drives me batty is:
 "just buy a shotgun. You don't need to train or even aim it. Just pull the trigger and you'll blast everything in a 10 foot area."
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 25, 2011, 11:44:49 AM
Mine is probably the idea that a person shot with a 45 will do a backflip and die instantly.  It doesn't stand up to even the most minute scrutiny: if a 140lb deer can take a hit right in the wheelhouse from a 150 grain rifle bullet traveling at 3,000fps; flinch, jump, and run 50 yards, how the hell do you expect a 250lb bad guy who's significanly angrier than the deer to take a hit from a 230 grain pistol bullet travelling at 900fps and get blown off his feet?  :wtf:

EDIT: What's even worse for me, is every single thing I've ever read on the Brady Campaign's website, which I read often, because I'm a masochist and I believe in knowing the enemy.  Plus I think my old lady gets some of her talking points from them, so I try to keep abreast of the latest lies so as not to be taken in by an ambush.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Funtimes on October 25, 2011, 11:45:44 AM
"Brah... we don't issue concealed carry here." -HPD Officer @ firearms unit.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: vooduchikn on October 25, 2011, 11:57:49 AM
A 2 year delingquent registration form. No worries Bro.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Growler67 on October 25, 2011, 12:06:39 PM
Pick anything ever said on shows like "Son of Guns" or "American Guns".  Responsible gun owners and gun rights advocates should remain well clear of these....... :wacko: people.

Most times the thing that usually irritates me most on forums is when someone asks for "first buy" advice the brand/model fanboi's all dog pile with whatever they have or want to pimp.  I give advice if I'm early enough in the thread but usually get drowned out buy fanboi pimps anyway.  Geberally one should get a bunch of differnt ones in their hands and feel them out.  Then considering what the intended purpose or how they expect to employ such a tool should be factored in.  Budget and so on and on but the blizzard of brand and model recommendations do nothing to to provide a potential buyer with any useful informatuion.  Those brands and models MAY work for those posters and their hands, budget, applications and skill sets.  However, they are not universal in application to EVERYONE else on the planet.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 25, 2011, 12:08:17 PM
Pick anything ever said on shows like "Son of Guns" or "American Guns".  Responsible gun owners and gun rights advocates should remain well clear of these....... :wacko: people.

Most times the thing that usually irritates me most on forums is when someone asks for "first buy" advice the brand/model fanboi's all dog pile with whatever they have or want to pimp.  I give advice if I'm early enough in the thread but usually get drowned out buy fanboi pimps anyway.  Geberally one should get a bunch of differnt ones in their hands and feel them out.  Then considering what the intended purpose or how they expect to employ such a tool should be factored in.  Budget and so on and on but the blizzard of brand and model recommendations do nothing to to provide a potential buyer with any useful informatuion.  Those brands and models MAY work for those posters and their hands, budget, applications and skill sets.  However, they are not universal in application to EVERYONE else on the planet.
This is terrible advice.  Just buy a Glock, dude.  They're the hands-down best for everything and everyone.   :D
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: GZire on October 25, 2011, 12:12:18 PM
Pick anything ever said on shows like "Son of Guns" or "American Guns".  Responsible gun owners and gun rights advocates should remain well clear of these....... :wacko: people.


.......but the American Guns daughter is almost of age.......
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Alex Europa on October 25, 2011, 12:18:48 PM
Mine is probably the idea that a person shot with a 45 will do a backflip and die instantly.  It doesn't stand up to even the most minute scrutiny: if a 140lb deer can take a hit right in the wheelhouse from a 150 grain rifle bullet traveling at 3,000fps; flinch, jump, and run 50 yards, how the hell do you expect a 250lb bad guy who's significanly angrier than the deer to take a hit from a 230 grain pistol bullet travelling at 900fps and get blown off his feet?  :wtf:

Even that is overthinking it: Newtons 3rd Law, "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction." If I don't get knocked on my ass by firing said firearm, then there isn't enough energy to knock the recipient on their ass.

- Alex
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Growler67 on October 25, 2011, 12:19:48 PM
Pick anything ever said on shows like "Son of Guns" or "American Guns".  Responsible gun owners and gun rights advocates should remain well clear of these....... :wacko: people.


.......but the American Guns daughter is almost of age.......

Almost of age to breed in the next generation of idiots...........unfortunately  >:(
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 25, 2011, 12:29:22 PM
Mine is probably the idea that a person shot with a 45 will do a backflip and die instantly.  It doesn't stand up to even the most minute scrutiny: if a 140lb deer can take a hit right in the wheelhouse from a 150 grain rifle bullet traveling at 3,000fps; flinch, jump, and run 50 yards, how the hell do you expect a 250lb bad guy who's significanly angrier than the deer to take a hit from a 230 grain pistol bullet travelling at 900fps and get blown off his feet?  :wtf:

Even that is overthinking it: Newtons 3rd Law, "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction." If I don't get knocked on my ass by firing said firearm, then there isn't enough energy to knock the recipient on their ass.

- Alex
Also true. 
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: antoinebugleboy on October 25, 2011, 01:02:20 PM
"Brah... we don't issue concealed carry here." -HPD Officer @ firearms unit.

I thought the law says they may, but they in fact do not.

[EDIT: Oops, sorry. I got to thinking this thread was "lies about guns" not stupid things said about guns.]
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: GZire on October 25, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
Pick anything ever said on shows like "Son of Guns" or "American Guns".  Responsible gun owners and gun rights advocates should remain well clear of these....... :wacko: people.


.......but the American Guns daughter is almost of age.......

Almost of age to breed in the next generation of idiots...........unfortunately  >:(


You sir are a party pooper.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: GPAGAP on October 25, 2011, 10:34:42 PM
"The racking of a pump shotgun is enough to make anyone crap their pants and run away."

... and a thread about bump firing...
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: back2back on October 26, 2011, 12:08:19 AM
I was helping my buddy by minding the gun shop while he was out to get some lunch.  A customer walked in and asked me a question with a serious look on his face.  He said, “What caliber is a 9mm Glock 17?”
There was another time when we had a possible meth user who came into the shop and presented us with a used firearm he wanted to sell/consignment.  We asked him if it was his.  He boasted by saying it was acquired from his neighbors house.  Little did he know that one of our other patrons, who was a local police officer, was standing next to him in front of the counter. Our local LE politely told him that they received a call about a robbery in the area were one of the stolen items was an chromed STI 2011 with a personal SN.  Funny thing is, the pistol he was trying to sell was a chromed STI with the exact same SN.   
Good Times!
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: AWS-GTAW on October 26, 2011, 01:25:21 AM
I was helping my buddy by minding the gun shop while he was out to get some lunch.  A customer walked in and asked me a question with a serious look on his face.  He said, “What caliber is a 9mm Glock 17?”
There was another time when we had a possible meth user who came into the shop and presented us with a used firearm he wanted to sell/consignment.  We asked him if it was his.  He boasted by saying it was acquired from his neighbors house.  Little did he know that one of our other patrons, who was a local police officer, was standing next to him in front of the counter. Our local LE politely told him that they received a call about a robbery in the area were one of the stolen items was an chromed STI 2011 with a personal SN.  Funny thing is, the pistol he was trying to sell was a chromed STI with the exact same SN.   
Good Times!

Interesting story.

Are you sure your not going to edit your post blank later and simply fill the blank with just a ( :shaka: )  like most of your posts?
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Aegis808 on October 26, 2011, 01:48:02 AM
"even an unloaded gun can shoot people, many people have been shot by unloaded guns."

"the .50 caliber bullet power in like that of a bazooka"

"people with AK-47's can scavenge and use 5.56 in their guns too"

"these bullets have an incendiary device, it's a heat seeker. you could cook the deer while you shot it." in reference to .50 BMG

"your gun could kill you!" mom telling me about my guns
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 26, 2011, 04:46:45 AM
"these bullets have an incendiary device, it's a heat seeker. you could cook the deer while you shot it." in reference to .50 BMG
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  If that were true, there'd be a run on hunting rifles in .50 BMG!  >:D
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Kingkeoni on October 26, 2011, 07:59:42 AM
"even an unloaded gun can shoot people, many people have been shot by unloaded guns."

This one I actually understand.

In many cases of negligent discharges, the person involved says " I know that gun was unloaded "
That's why we always presume a gun is loaded and even an "unloaded" gun is loaded, because even an "unloaded" gun can shoot people.

It simply means that the person was wrong and didn't follow the rules of gun safety.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Aegis808 on October 26, 2011, 08:13:18 AM
"even an unloaded gun can shoot people, many people have been shot by unloaded guns."

This one I actually understand.

In many cases of negligent discharges, the person involved says " I know that gun was unloaded "
That's why we always presume a gun is loaded and even an "unloaded" gun is loaded, because even an "unloaded" gun can shoot people.

It simply means that the person was wrong and didn't follow the rules of gun safety.

forgot to provide background on that one. it was for cali's open carry rule where they had to have an unloaded handgun in order to OC.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: 230RN on October 26, 2011, 09:05:22 AM
GPAGAP


"... and a thread about bump firing..."


Why?

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 26, 2011, 09:25:32 AM
^^^I was actually wondering why that was dumb, as well.  ???
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: ren on October 26, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
"That will buff out...no worries brah.."
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: GZire on October 26, 2011, 10:02:20 AM
"these bullets have an incendiary device, it's a heat seeker. you could cook the deer while you shot it." in reference to .50 BMG
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  If that were true, there'd be a run on hunting rifles in .50 BMG!  >:D

I was watching this hunting show and the guy ended up using his 338 Lapua to shoot a deer/elk.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 26, 2011, 10:12:48 AM
"these bullets have an incendiary device, it's a heat seeker. you could cook the deer while you shot it." in reference to .50 BMG
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  If that were true, there'd be a run on hunting rifles in .50 BMG!  >:D

I was watching this hunting show and the guy ended up using his 338 Lapua to shoot a deer/elk.
What was the range?
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: back2back on October 26, 2011, 12:24:19 PM
I was helping my buddy by minding the gun shop while he was out to get some lunch.  A customer walked in and asked me a question with a serious look on his face.  He said, “What caliber is a 9mm Glock 17?”
There was another time when we had a possible meth user who came into the shop and presented us with a used firearm he wanted to sell/consignment.  We asked him if it was his.  He boasted by saying it was acquired from his neighbors house.  Little did he know that one of our other patrons, who was a local police officer, was standing next to him in front of the counter. Our local LE politely told him that they received a call about a robbery in the area were one of the stolen items was an chromed STI 2011 with a personal SN.  Funny thing is, the pistol he was trying to sell was a chromed STI with the exact same SN.   
Good Times!

Interesting story.



Are you sure your not going to edit your post blank later and simply fill the blank with just a ( :shaka: )  like most of your posts?


Dang I guess you really pay attention to the post.  Just for you I'll add the shakka in couple of days. Are your offeneded?  I guess we have another thin skinned troll with an attitude.  Or better yet why don't you ask for my IP to be cancelled. LOL! :shaka:




 


Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 26, 2011, 12:34:27 PM
:shaka:

 :shaka:

 :shaka:

Let's all just chill, eh?
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: back2back on October 26, 2011, 12:36:24 PM
I agree!  I though this was a free country! :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: : :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: back2back on October 26, 2011, 12:48:08 PM
AWS-GTW - EAD! :shaka:
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 26, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Thanks for the eye cancer.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: GZire on October 26, 2011, 02:55:24 PM
"these bullets have an incendiary device, it's a heat seeker. you could cook the deer while you shot it." in reference to .50 BMG
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  If that were true, there'd be a run on hunting rifles in .50 BMG!  >:D

I was watching this hunting show and the guy ended up using his 338 Lapua to shoot a deer/elk.
What was the range?

The guy (show host) said I got this cool rifle, never really shot it.  It's supposed to be really accurate.  I'm going to sight it in.  Hand sized rock at 500 yds with his (show) guest as the spotter.

One shot hits the rock with snow on the ground.  Spotter says wow really cool, you could actually see the (vapor trail............they are hunters not long range competition guys).

Anyhow shooting the animal............maybe 200 - 300 yards?  I think they first made the thing at less than 400 yds and the sight in meant he could have shot it right there.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: GPAGAP on October 26, 2011, 06:34:45 PM
GPAGAP


"... and a thread about bump firing..."


Why?

Terry, 230RN

Bump firing, AKA "red neck ballistic masturbation."
Bump firing is the pinnacle of skill / magical technique that every ignorant, bubba type gun owner strives to attain.
Just youtube "bump fire" and get ready for all kinds of stupid.
I'm all for shooting just to have fun. But, shooting from the hip with 1 had in control of the rifle, spraying rounds into the dirt and air, simply to make noise while one's douche bag friends look on is, IMO, stupid and dumb.
YMMV

And for good measure, I'll jump on the bandwagon and throw one of these in! :shaka:
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 26, 2011, 06:42:52 PM
"these bullets have an incendiary device, it's a heat seeker. you could cook the deer while you shot it." in reference to .50 BMG
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  If that were true, there'd be a run on hunting rifles in .50 BMG!  >:D

I was watching this hunting show and the guy ended up using his 338 Lapua to shoot a deer/elk.
What was the range?

The guy (show host) said I got this cool rifle, never really shot it.  It's supposed to be really accurate.  I'm going to sight it in.  Hand sized rock at 500 yds with his (show) guest as the spotter.

One shot hits the rock with snow on the ground.  Spotter says wow really cool, you could actually see the (vapor trail............they are hunters not long range competition guys).

Anyhow shooting the animal............maybe 200 - 300 yards?  I think they first made the thing at less than 400 yds and the sight in meant he could have shot it right there.
Haha, that's pretty damn close for that rifle!  Of course, there's no range that's too close for a given caliber, if your 338 Lapua is good at 1,000; it's good at a couple hundred, too. 
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on October 26, 2011, 06:44:45 PM
GPAGAP


"... and a thread about bump firing..."


Why?

Terry, 230RN

Bump firing, AKA "red neck ballistic masturbation."
Bump firing is the pinnacle of skill / magical technique that every ignorant, bubba type gun owner strives to attain.
Just youtube "bump fire" and get ready for all kinds of stupid.
I'm all for shooting just to have fun. But, shooting from the hip with 1 had in control of the rifle, spraying rounds into the dirt and air, simply to make noise while one's douche bag friends look on is, IMO, stupid and dumb.
YMMV

And for good measure, I'll jump on the bandwagon and throw one of these in! :shaka:
I can see where you're coming from, there.  I thought you were referring to the bumpfire stock that there was a thread about the other day.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: AWS-GTAW on October 26, 2011, 07:59:47 PM
AWS-GTW - EAD! :shaka:

Sorry dude.   :shaka:

 Just on some interesting threads i notice your post's are edited before i got a chance to read them.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: 230RN on October 27, 2011, 11:40:43 AM
OK, just wondered about the "why."

Me go now.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: colorado_shooter_dh on October 27, 2011, 08:56:40 PM
Ok, my turn... how about: "so, if I move to Colorado, I can just go buy a gun?"

I absolutely am not lying, a guy asked me this at work about 6am this morning. He moved his wife and kids already, none of them have spent any time off Oahu. This guy is baffled that he can just go buy a gun, get a permit to, gasp, carry it on his person, and go to national forest to shoot...

This state obviously has been in regime-land for a looooooong time.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Dregs on October 27, 2011, 09:51:48 PM
I offer some new absolute stupidest questions:

You can seriously just go off into the forest and shoot?

Can non-residents just go buy a gun in Colorado?

Does the square root of amphibians = bicycle?
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: 230RN on November 02, 2011, 12:51:57 PM
"You can seriously just go off into the forest and shoot?"

Yes, with certain restrictions, notably regarding housing density. The forests are "multi-use," and some private property areas are included.  Also, the forest rangers can close off an area for other reasons, such as when it becomes known as an informal shooting area and gun slobs bring up things like TV sets to shoot at and then don't pack their junk out with them.  These places become littered with broken glass, abandoned cars, old paper targets, etc.  There are also restrictions with respect to proximity to highways and the like. But basically, yes, you can just go out in the forest and shoot.

When I lived in the city of Boulder CO I used to be able to load up five test rounds, drive five minutes up Boulder Canyon into the Roosevelt National Forest, and test the loads.  Then I'd drive back home, load up five more with a different powder charge, and drive back up the canyon to test those out. Rinse and repeat.

That particular area was closed because there was a 36" high-pressure domestic water line serving the city of Boulder runnng through it nearby and some schmuck shot holes in it.  Prick.  Ruined it for everyone else.

"Can non-residents just go buy a gun in Colorado?"

No.  With retail transactions, you have to show residency --as is, I believe, asked on the 4473 form.  Takes three months' worth of rent receipts, utility bills, etc, and/or a Colorado ID or DL to prove up on residency to vote, last I heard.  That's the "Motor Voter" loophole, where you don't even have to prove citizenship to vote.  Far more dangerous than the gun show loophole, in my opinion (see below.)

Privately, I'm not sure. I think there's something about having "reason to believe" or "knowing or should have known" the person is a non-resident or prohibited person, but basically, private transactions between eligible persons is not subject to review by the awe-thaur-it-ays.  This is the so-called "gun show loophole" you hear about, because private dealers can set up a table and sell privately at gun shows without going through the NICS process.  Or they can wander around the parking lot with a gun for sale, last I heard.  I don't go to any gun shows anymore, anyhow.

I'm admittedly kind of muddy on those aspects of private transactions since I never sell guns.

"Does the square root of amphibians = bicycle?"

10 LET SQRT(VAL("AMPHIBIANS")) = X
20 PRINT X
>RUN
42

Pretty BASIC, eh?

(With apologies to "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.")

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Cougar8045 on November 02, 2011, 04:01:26 PM
90% (new lie is 70%) of guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico are traced back to the United States.  As posted by astroboy in a different thread, the actual number is 8%.
Title: Re: What is the absolute stupidest or dumbest...
Post by: Tom_G on November 02, 2011, 05:42:21 PM
"even an unloaded gun can shoot people, many people have been shot by unloaded guns."

To do a little parade-raining, I have twice shot something with an unloaded gun.  One time, I broke a ceiling light fixture.  In both cases, the gun was truly, legitimately, and in all reality completely unloaded, devoid of ammunition, and otherwise not capable of discharging. 
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Post by: 230RN on November 03, 2011, 07:43:29 AM
^ Confirmation:

Pawnee National Grasslands. Broken extractor on a 1911.  Gun functioned normally all day, taking shots at random cowpies and rocks and the like.  Got back to camper, jack magazine, rack slide several times, nothing came out. "Hm, that's odd.  I thought I had one chambered.  Oh, well, must be empty."

Point gun at fencepost.  Pull trigger.

BANG !

Previously perfectly good fencepost had a nice approximatly 1/2" hole in it after I stopped being stupid about unloaded guns.

Found broken-off hook of extractor on workbench, so I know it was operating without extractor hook.


Other one I'm too embarresed to talk about.  Suffice it to say that there was a nice approximately 3/8" hole in a perfectly good oaken desk after I stopped being stupid about unloaded guns.

For the second time.

Hope there's never a third.

Terry "Slow Learner," 230RN
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Post by: Funtimes on November 04, 2011, 02:41:48 PM
"even an unloaded gun can shoot people, many people have been shot by unloaded guns."

To do a little parade-raining, I have twice shot something with an unloaded gun.  One time, I broke a ceiling light fixture.  In both cases, the gun was truly, legitimately, and in all reality completely unloaded, devoid of ammunition, and otherwise not capable of discharging.

Alright, did you break something with the spring or what lol?
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Post by: Cougar8045 on November 04, 2011, 03:19:41 PM
"even an unloaded gun can shoot people, many people have been shot by unloaded guns."

To do a little parade-raining, I have twice shot something with an unloaded gun.  One time, I broke a ceiling light fixture.  In both cases, the gun was truly, legitimately, and in all reality completely unloaded, devoid of ammunition, and otherwise not capable of discharging.

Alright, did you break something with the spring or what lol?
I'm also curious how that happened.
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Post by: Tom_G on November 04, 2011, 08:39:33 PM
"even an unloaded gun can shoot people, many people have been shot by unloaded guns."

To do a little parade-raining, I have twice shot something with an unloaded gun.  One time, I broke a ceiling light fixture.  In both cases, the gun was truly, legitimately, and in all reality completely unloaded, devoid of ammunition, and otherwise not capable of discharging.

Alright, did you break something with the spring or what lol?

Good call!

In one case, the light-breaking case, it was the recoil spring cap from a 1911.  The other was the spring from a S&W 622.  That one left a nasty bruise.
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Post by: Kingkeoni on November 04, 2011, 09:22:40 PM
I was wondering about this story too.
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: Funtimes on November 05, 2011, 12:39:57 AM
Ah -- yeah those damn springs man. I went chasing my Walther spring behind the TV.... huge pain lol had to move all the wires, tv etc to get it!
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Post by: 230RN on November 05, 2011, 08:58:26 AM
I've got a flashlight I call my "Saint Anthony Flashlight*" which I use to look for escaped small parts.  Scanning the floor in a search pattern with your attention focused exclusively on the narrow beam helps, even in full daylight.

I sometimes (not always) disassemble things I'm not familiar with under a clear plastic dry cleaner bag.  One time I wished I had done so was when the gas tappet on an SKS let go and flew across the room.  Looked and looked, finally discovered a black mark on the wall where it hit, and that clue narrowed down the search area a bit.

I've also used one of those 110VAC videotape bulk eraser electromagnets to locate escaped parts.  I don't even know if they sell those anymore, but I've kept one I bought a long time ago for part-finding and demagnetizing tools like pliers. Nice thing about it is when it picks up even a small part, you can hear it buzz.

Oh, hey, by the way, speaking of springs, you haven't lived until a mainspring from a seven-day clock lets go.  Almost like a hand grenade.

You say you doubt me about the clock mainsprings?  Google "GERMAN TIME BOMB CLOCK" for a (somewhat extreme) example.

Time bomb clock:

(http://craphound.com/images/germantimebomb.jpeg)

Terry, 230RN

* Saint Anthony is, or used to be, or is commonly thought to be, the patron saint of finding lost articles.



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Post by: nf9648 on November 10, 2011, 07:58:13 PM
My 3 favorites from the mil side...

"You can make it full auto if you file down the firing pin."

"Even if you miss, the .50 cal bullet goes so fast that it will take their head off."

"The M4 is garbage, AKs are way better guns."
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Post by: Kingkeoni on November 10, 2011, 10:08:01 PM
"The M4 is garbage, AKs are way better guns."

Any gun that works, and is shooting at you can kill you.

It bothers me when someone says "that gun is garbage". (whatever gun it may be)

Go 100 yards down range and let someone unload rounds at you if you think the gun is garbage.

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Post by: GZire on November 14, 2011, 11:16:05 AM
"The M4 is garbage, AKs are way better guns."

Any gun that works, and is shooting at you can kill you.

It bothers me when someone says "that gun is garbage". (whatever gun it may be)

Go 100 yards down range and let someone unload rounds at you if you think the gun is garbage.

Speaking of garbage guns..........did you buy that new gun yet? :-*
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Post by: Kingkeoni on November 14, 2011, 11:38:50 AM
"The M4 is garbage, AKs are way better guns."

Any gun that works, and is shooting at you can kill you.

It bothers me when someone says "that gun is garbage". (whatever gun it may be)

Go 100 yards down range and let someone unload rounds at you if you think the gun is garbage.

Speaking of garbage guns..........did you buy that new gun yet? :-*

Ha ha ha, I haven't had time to go to OGC and ask what they would bring it in for.
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Post by: GZire on November 14, 2011, 01:20:39 PM
"The M4 is garbage, AKs are way better guns."

Any gun that works, and is shooting at you can kill you.

It bothers me when someone says "that gun is garbage". (whatever gun it may be)

Go 100 yards down range and let someone unload rounds at you if you think the gun is garbage.

Speaking of garbage guns..........did you buy that new gun yet? :-*

Ha ha ha, I haven't had time to go to OGC and ask what they would bring it in for.

I forget what you were going to get, but I thought it was universally understood by all that we knew which gun I was referring to. ;D
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Post by: Tom_G on November 14, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
"The M4 is garbage, AKs are way better guns."

Any gun that works, and is shooting at you can kill you.

It bothers me when someone says "that gun is garbage". (whatever gun it may be)

Go 100 yards down range and let someone unload rounds at you if you think the gun is garbage.

Speaking of garbage guns..........did you buy that new gun yet? :-*

Ha ha ha, I haven't had time to go to OGC and ask what they would bring it in for.

I forget what you were going to get, but I thought it was universally understood by all that we knew which gun I was referring to. ;D

Hey!  The King and I are looking forward to our new little pieces of garbage!!

(bonus points to anyone who breaks out into song after reading this but doesn't understand why)
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Post by: 808shooter on November 14, 2011, 04:15:30 PM
http://youtu.be/ouqWxI9oLG8 (http://youtu.be/ouqWxI9oLG8)
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Post by: Kingkeoni on November 14, 2011, 05:26:30 PM
"The M4 is garbage, AKs are way better guns."

Any gun that works, and is shooting at you can kill you.

It bothers me when someone says "that gun is garbage". (whatever gun it may be)

Go 100 yards down range and let someone unload rounds at you if you think the gun is garbage.

Speaking of garbage guns..........did you buy that new gun yet? :-*

Ha ha ha, I haven't had time to go to OGC and ask what they would bring it in for.

I forget what you were going to get, but I thought it was universally understood by all that we knew which gun I was referring to. ;D

Hey!  The King and I are looking forward to our new little pieces of garbage!!

(bonus points to anyone who breaks out into song after reading this but doesn't understand why)

Getting to know you... Getting to know all about you...    :crazy:
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Post by: hvybarrels on November 14, 2011, 08:55:10 PM
"people don't need assault rifles for hunting"

I'm sure you meant select fire. If tried one you'd wish they were legal, too.

"Makarov is the worst round ever invented"

and

"Don't hold it like that (cup and saucer) on my range. I don't want to be responsible when your gun blows up and the mag goes through your hand."

Go away range monkey.
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Post by: Tom_G on November 14, 2011, 10:32:06 PM
"Don't hold it like that (cup and saucer) on my range. I don't want to be responsible when your gun blows up and the mag goes through your hand."

While it admittedly did not go thru anyone's hand, I have seen this malfunction, and seen the fairly bloody and serious-looking injury that resulted.  Shoot cup-and-saucer if you like, I never will again.

But then again, I'll shan't ever suffer from "Glock hand."

I am happy to let other people make mistakes for me!
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Post by: hvybarrels on November 14, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
I was going to tell him to go bother the plastic gun owners, but he might have taken that as a sign that I was actually interested in having a conversation with him at that point.
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Post by: 42itus on November 15, 2011, 12:02:47 AM
"How many guns do you need?"   ;D
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Post by: mongoose on January 15, 2012, 05:41:02 AM
I had someone call me once and ask, "What caliber slingshots do you sell?"
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Post by: bass monkey on January 15, 2012, 06:01:53 AM
I had someone call me once and ask, "What caliber slingshots do you sell?"


Are you affiliated with a store? Got more info
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Post by: mongoose on January 15, 2012, 06:16:22 AM
I work at Young Guns part-time on Saturdays
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Post by: Cpt.Englehorn on January 15, 2012, 10:26:28 AM

This one was said to me:

"Why do you have so much of the same gun(6 1903s), isnt one good enough"




This one I heard about:

"Instead of putting on a new target, why dont you just turn the one thats on now, over"
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Post by: Cougar8045 on January 15, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
"How many guns do you need?"   ;D
I've heard variations on that one quite a few times.  My answer is always, "All of them!"
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Post by: Kingkeoni on January 15, 2012, 02:33:18 PM
I had someone tell me once, "I hope you don't keep loaded guns all over the house. You have children."

As if I didn't have common sense.

I replied, "I only keep a few loaded guns where the kids can reach them."
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Post by: nf9648 on January 15, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
At the beginning of my last deployment I had a SSG (known bullshitter) tell me about a couple AKs that were brought to the ECP by some local contractors, he told me he de-linked some7.62 from the 240B's and used it in the AKs at the test fire pit.
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Post by: 2aHawaii on January 15, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
At the beginning of my last deployment I had a SSG (known bullshitter) tell me about a couple AKs that were brought to the ECP by some local contractors, he told me he de-linked some7.62 from the 240B's and used it in the AKs at the test fire pit.

Haha, that's a good one. I wonder how many people will pick up on it. At least all the AK shooters :P
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Post by: Inspector on January 15, 2012, 06:35:47 PM
I had someone ask me on more than one occasion  if I have ever shot anyone before.  :crazy:
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Post by: rhacker on February 10, 2012, 01:48:00 PM
How many guns do you need?"   

The correct reply is "How many shoes do you need?"  To which she answered, "It depends on the occasion"  I stated flatly, "Exactly!!"
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Post by: sirkaiks on February 10, 2012, 06:36:36 PM
a lot of my friends and family ask me if my guns are legal...

wtf? do i look like a criminal?...
ok, never mind...
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Post by: Inspector on February 10, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
a lot of my friends and family ask me if my guns are legal...
I get that a lot myself. I would never answer "NO" even if it were true.
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Post by: Kingkeoni on February 10, 2012, 08:30:18 PM
a lot of my friends and family ask me if my guns are legal...

wtf? do i look like a criminal?...
ok, never mind...

Only when I don't smile.  ;)
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Post by: CSaladino on February 14, 2012, 11:00:10 AM
funniest thing i heard was.... guy walks into a YG and ask if he can at a 22 for home protection.  cmon really i thought he was joking!
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Post by: 2aHawaii on February 14, 2012, 02:18:58 PM
funniest thing i heard was.... guy walks into a YG and ask if he can at a 22 for home protection.  cmon really i thought he was joking!

When I didn't know anything about guns and just started my research on the internet, I wondered why some guns were so expensive and .22's were relatively cheap. At that time I thought a gun was a gun, and it just made sense to get a .22. Luckily I found some people to help sway my decision.
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Post by: Heavies on February 14, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
Nah. I still wouldn't knock a good semiauto .22 for defense. .22 is better than no gun at all.
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Post by: MantisClaw on February 14, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
My biggest problem with 22lr for home defense is the unreliability of the ammunition.  In either of my 22s I can expect a dud round almost every magazine which is not what I want to have happen when I need it the most.
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Post by: wirecounter on February 14, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
Nah. I still wouldn't knock a good semiauto .22 for defense. .22 is better than no gun at all.
And hits on target are better than misses with a larger caliber round!
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Post by: wirecounter on February 14, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
I had someone tell me once, "I hope you don't keep loaded guns all over the house. You have children."

As if I didn't have common sense.

I replied, "I only keep a few loaded guns where the kids can reach them."

and, "Here's your sign . . ."
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Post by: Heavies on February 14, 2012, 09:29:57 PM
My biggest problem with 22lr for home defense is the unreliability of the ammunition.  In either of my 22s I can expect a dud round almost every magazine which is not what I want to have happen when I need it the most.

Wow. I have had maybe one dud per a few bricks (over 1000 rounds). What kind of ammo are you using? I'll avoid those
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Post by: Kingkeoni on February 14, 2012, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: MantisClaw on Today at 08:22:47 PM
My biggest problem with 22lr for home defense is the unreliability of the ammunition.  In either of my 22s I can expect a dud round almost every magazine which is not what I want to have happen when I need it the most.

Wow. I have had maybe one dud per a few bricks (over 1000 rounds). What kind of ammo are you using? I'll avoid those

Not that I recommend .22lr for home defense but if you have no other choices, I'd rather have a 22 than a stick.

You should try CCI mini mags. I run mini mags in all my 22's and I can honestly not remember the last time I had a dud round. Or if I've ever had one with mini mags.

It's like any other home defense ammo. Use good stuff.
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Post by: MantisClaw on February 14, 2012, 09:59:41 PM
That is with CCI minimags.  With my P220 22lr conversion I'm not surprised since its a .45 that's trying to shoot 22lr but I usually get about 5 duds per 100 rounds with my 522.   ???

Most of the time I can get rounds to go bang the second time around but when I brought it up to the guys at Magnum, they said that the ammo failure I was getting was par for the course.  Either way I'll pay more attention during the Range Day on Saturday, could be I'm exaggerating the failures in my own head.
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Post by: Heavies on February 15, 2012, 02:58:23 AM
That is with CCI minimags.  With my P220 22lr conversion I'm not surprised since its a .45 that's trying to shoot 22lr but I usually get about 5 duds per 100 rounds with my 522.   ???

Most of the time I can get rounds to go bang the second time around but when I brought it up to the guys at Magnum, they said that the ammo failure I was getting was par for the course.  Either way I'll pay more attention during the Range Day on Saturday, could be I'm exaggerating the failures in my own head.

I could be a firing pin issue.  Maybe worn or too short a pin?  Light strike?  incorrect headspace? You should have  a smith check it out.
That would be unacceptable to me, and it could be a safety issue as well.
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Post by: 2aHawaii on February 15, 2012, 04:43:48 AM
With minimags, I'd expect much better reliability. That's semi-premium ammo in the .22 world. It could also be that your gun doesn't like minimags or, like Heavies said, a kit issue.

On a side note, I've had excelent results with CCI Blazer over any of the bulk packs I've tried. It worked in my mkII where others FTE'd. Everything works in my 10/22 though :D
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Post by: Inspector on February 15, 2012, 06:12:45 AM
Wow. I have had maybe one dud per a few bricks (over 1000 rounds). What kind of ammo are you using? I'll avoid those
I agree. The only problem I have had with .22lr is the gun I was shooting them out of. Occasional light strikes.

I did buy the American Eagle (Federal Red Box) .22lr and it is JUNK! I thought it was just me. But 6 months later I am telling a guy at the range how bad these rounds were and he pulled a box of them out of his range bag and told me he was having the same problems. First they make a weird noise when they go off. Not the typical bang one would expect. They smell different. Obviously they are using a different type of powder. But the weird part is they don't shoot accurately or consistently. My normally accurate Marlin Model 60 could not place them within a foot of where I was aiming. But the worst part is if they were low and to the left one round, they would hit high the next round. Also, smoke would come out of the feeding tube area when I shot these with this rifle. So I put them in my pistol. And again, weird sound, weird smell and couldn't hit a thing with them. BTW, he bought the box from the same gun store I did. Maybe a bad lot?
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Post by: Inspector on February 15, 2012, 06:17:38 AM
...On a side note, I've had excelent results with CCI Blazer over any of the bulk packs I've tried. It worked in my mkII where others FTE'd. Everything works in my 10/22 though :D
+1 on the CCI Blazers! For inexpensive ammo they even package them nicely with the plastic holder and not bulk packed like some others. My Marlin Model 60 loves them and is basically all I shoot out of it now. Accurate and consistent and inexpensive.
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Post by: Kingkeoni on February 15, 2012, 08:09:10 AM
With minimags, I'd expect much better reliability. That's semi-premium ammo in the .22 world. It could also be that your gun doesn't like minimags or, like Heavies said, a kit issue.

On a side note, I've had excelent results with CCI Blazer over any of the bulk packs I've tried. It worked in my mkII where others FTE'd. Everything works in my 10/22 though :D

There's your answer...

Buy a better 22 caliber gun.
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Post by: Funtimes on February 15, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
Wow. I have had maybe one dud per a few bricks (over 1000 rounds). What kind of ammo are you using? I'll avoid those

I've got CCI Blazer, and same thing -- malfunction every other magazine.  This has been using a SIG conversion, a glock conversion, and the Walther P22.

I've said for a few months now:  If you need to train on malfunctions, go shooting with your .22.
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Post by: MantisClaw on February 15, 2012, 06:57:20 PM
You guys got me paranoid so I shot a box of minimags through my 522 today.  No malfunctions.  *Shrugs*

I've said for a few months now:  If you need to train on malfunctions, go shooting with your .22.

The funny thing is even if my rifle is a lemon, I don't mind since it give me plenty of practice for malfunction drills.  I got the rifle to help me practice my fundamentals so any training is good training.
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Post by: Kingkeoni on February 15, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
You guys got me paranoid so I shot a box of minimags through my 522 today.  No malfunctions.  *Shrugs*

The funny thing is even if my rifle is a lemon, I don't mind since it give me plenty of practice for malfunction drills.  I got the rifle to help me practice my fundamentals so any training is good training.

If any training is good training, go slap a Samoan in the face then train on your cardio, running like hell.