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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: zippz on January 20, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
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Hawaii DLNR now has an official Hunters Education course online to qualify you for a hunting license and a permit to acquire a handgun. This is a 4 to 6 hour course entirely online and costs $19.95. DLNR has suspended their in class hunters education course due to COVID and stopped doing the hybrid online/classroom course.
This class does not teach you how to shoot a gun, so is best reserved for those that already know how to shoot a handgun and need a qualifying training course.
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
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Hawaii DLNR now has an official Hunters Education course online to qualify you for a hunting license and a permit to acquire a handgun. This is a 4 to 6 hour course entirely online and costs $19.95. DLNR has suspended their in class hunters education course due to COVID and stopped doing the hybrid online/classroom course.
This class does not teach you how to shoot a gun, so is best reserved for those that already know how to shoot a handgun and need a qualifying training course.
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
Thanks! :shaka:
I have someone that will be interested in this class
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Know 2 people will sign up the course.
Thanks zippz.
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Noice. :thumbsup:
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That would be good for me. I lost the Hawaii handgun course paper. The only ones I can find are from Front Sight.
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Hawaii DLNR now has an official Hunters Education course online to qualify you for a hunting license and a permit to acquire a handgun. This is a 4 to 6 hour course entirely online and costs $19.95. DLNR has suspended their in class hunters education course due to COVID and stopped doing the hybrid online/classroom course.
This class does not teach you how to shoot a gun, so is best reserved for those that already know how to shoot a handgun and need a qualifying training course.
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
Thanks for sharing this information. To clarify, this online course, once successfully completed, allows an adult (21 years +) to apply for a handgun without the need to take the in-person course? In other words, does it meet Hawaii's pistol application requirement show below from HPD's website, https://www.honolulupd.org/information/firearms/ [Apply for a Permit > Firearm Permit]
(10th Bullet)
- Original Hunter’s Education card or original Handgun Safety Training Course Affidavit. (Handguns only).
Please advise. Thanks.
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Thanks for sharing this information. To clarify, this online course, once successfully completed, allows an adult (21 years +) to apply for a handgun without the need to take the in-person course? In other words, does it meet Hawaii's pistol application requirement show below from HPD's website, https://www.honolulupd.org/information/firearms/ [Apply for a Permit > Firearm Permit]
(10th Bullet)
- Original Hunter’s Education card or original Handgun Safety Training Course Affidavit. (Handguns only).
Please advise. Thanks.
https://gohunthawaii.ehawaii.gov/public/basic-classes.html
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
The in-person Hawaii Hunter's Ed course doesn't include live fire training, but the state accepts that training certification card for handgun permits in order to avoid the legal challenges of forcing gun buyers to pay for training to exercise a right. You'll be mailed the same certification card the in-person class issues.
The Hawaii Gun statues (HRS 134) reference the Hunter's Ed statute (HRS 183D-28). As long as you get the certificate and can use it to buy hunting licenses, you can also use it to apply for a handgun Permit to Acquire.
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for the HPD or DLNR. All I know is what the law states and what the online hunter's ed website states.
If the online class didn't meet the same standards as the in-person class, they couldn't legitimately offer the same certification.
DLNR already had a "combo" option in which you could take the class online and do the test in-person. So, there's really not much different with the new course with regard to content and certification.
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Hawaii DLNR now has an official Hunters Education course online to qualify you for a hunting license and a permit to acquire a handgun. This is a 4 to 6 hour course entirely online and costs $19.95. DLNR has suspended their in class hunters education course due to COVID and stopped doing the hybrid online/classroom course.
This class does not teach you how to shoot a gun, so is best reserved for those that already know how to shoot a handgun and need a qualifying training course.
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
Thanks Todd! Let's go shoot some hogs at night with our new NVG'S and my Thermal Breach in the valley across from Pearl City Mall. There's a bunch in them woods.
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https://gohunthawaii.ehawaii.gov/public/basic-classes.html
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
The in-person Hawaii Hunter's Ed course doesn't include live fire training, but the state accepts that training certification card for handgun permits in order to avoid the legal challenges of forcing gun buyers to pay for training to exercise a right. You'll be mailed the same certification card the in-person class issues.
The Hawaii Gun statues (HRS 134) reference the Hunter's Ed statute (HRS 183D-28). As long as you get the certificate and can use it to buy hunting licenses, you can also use it to apply for a handgun Permit to Acquire.
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for the HPD or DLNR. All I know is what the law states and what the online hunter's ed website states.
If the online class didn't meet the same standards as the in-person class, they couldn't legitimately offer the same certification.
DLNR already had a "combo" option in which you could take the class online and do the test in-person. So, there's really not much different with the new course with regard to content and certification.
Who hunts with a pistol? They should amend it to a 1yr permit to acquire a rifle.
PC mode on, "think of the piglets!"
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Kinda like getting a drivers license without ever getting behind the wheel.
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That would be good for me. I lost the Hawaii handgun course paper. The only ones I can find are from Front Sight.
I lost my paper certificate, they have a provision where you can mail in a request for a duplicate. When I did it, a while back, it was $5.
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Thanks Todd! Let's go shoot some hogs at night with our new NVG'S and my Thermal Breach in the valley across from Pearl City Mall. There's a bunch in them woods.
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no one here does anything illegal...
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I lost my paper certificate, they have a provision where you can mail in a request for a duplicate. When I did it, a while back, it was $5.
Who is "they?"
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Who hunts with a pistol? They should amend it to a 1yr permit to acquire a rifle.
PC mode on, "think of the piglets!"
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I don't think anyone said this is about hunting.
It's about taking a safety course that satisfies the state requirement to apply for a handgun permit to acquire.
In a perfect state/world, there would be a standardized basic firearm safety course for handguns, rifles and shotguns -- including hands-on shooting with each type.
Then, there would be a course tailored to handgun use for people applying for a CCW permit. The fact that there are no specified standards or certified courses for CCW in the state, even though one is required, tells us how unserious they are about issuing those permits.
I've always questioned the inconsistency of requiring hands-on range time for private handgun safety course affidavits, but zero range time for the Hawaii Hunter's Education course certificate. Both qualify you to own a handgun, but the Hunter's Ed class doesn't meet the same standards for handgun training as other courses.
That's a better argument than asking, "Who hunts with a handgun?" Many hunters do carry a handgun for extra protection.
While you're at it, rather than a 1-yr permit for handguns and long guns, I think the permit process here should be completely scrapped. The NICS system is good enough for most states, and requiring a permit for every handgun (or long gun) purchase is stupid as f*ck if the buyer already owns firearms. This system was set up to require periodic background checks, so if you already have guns, but want another, they can perform a "repeat" background check for you. RapBack is supposed to be a running background check system with immediate reporting if something relevant happens. Maybe someday, if RapBack ever starts working, we can revisit the need for Hawaii permits at all.
People bringing guns they already own into the state bypass the permit process altogether. They are allowed to register their firearms without asking permission to own them. Another giant inconsistency in the permit system.
I could go on and on....
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Hunter safety course in this state is a joke.
I don't think the on-line will be much better.
Because my dad lost my CA hunter safety diploma,
I earned at age 12. I had to take the Hawaii
class. They were so bad they asked me to volunteer to
teach the Archery part of it. I knew more than they did.
I was a very amateur bow hunter at the time.
Every other class I've been in or sent my kids through
involved the handling
and firing of guns.
That doesn't seem to be the case in Hawaii.
I was 12 years old licensed to hunt and kill
with semi-automatic guns with adult supervision
eg. Dad or grandpa dropped me off somewhere and
told me what time to be back at camp.
If we aren't teaching our kids that stuff these days,
we are cheating them.
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Hunter safety course in this state is a joke.
I don't think the on-line will be much better.
Because my dad lost my CA hunter safety diploma,
I earned at age 12. I had to take the Hawaii
class. They were so bad they asked me to volunteer to
teach the Archery part of it. I knew more than they did.
I was a very amateur bow hunter at the time.
Every other class I've been in or sent my kids through
involved the handling
and firing of guns.
That doesn't seem to be the case in Hawaii.
I was 12 years old licensed to hunt and kill
with semi-automatic guns with adult supervision
eg. Dad or grandpa dropped me off somewhere and
told me what time to be back at camp.
If we aren't teaching our kids that stuff these days,
we are cheating them.
Great story. What do you propose as a solution?
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I lost my paper certificate, they have a provision where you can mail in a request for a duplicate. When I did it, a while back, it was $5.
Who is "they?"
they = DLNR.
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they = DLNR.
"They" did that at the Gun Show also. . . $5 also.
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What's preventing them from doing a live fire session? Funding shouldn't be a problem. Volunteers?
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Great story. What do you propose as a solution?
In NV, an Introduction to Handgun Safety class is offered free of charge, takes about 90 minutes, and is completed online. If you want to printout the completion certificate, there's a fee for that.
When it comes to safety education, classroom/online instruction matters more than range time. While it's important to practice the things you learned, most people will never have to use their firearms to defend themselves. Thus, safety for most people involves knowledge of weapons and ammo, storage - especially around kids, transporting, handling (loading, unloading, cleaning), and so on.
There's a difference between safety education and proficiency training. I think safety training is sufficient to buy/own a gun. Proficiency training should be a requirement for CCW but optional for all other owners.
As for permit requirements, safety training is all that's needed. The state of HI seems to agree, given their acceptance of Hunter's Safety Education training for owning a handgun.
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they = DLNR.
I asked, because RSN172 lost his affidavit for the Hawaii handgun safety course -- different from Hunter's Ed.
If I'm correct, he hasn't taken the Hunter's Ed course yet, and sees the online course as a way to "replace" the affidavit with a Hunter's Ed certificate.
My interpretation, but I might not be correct.
That would be good for me. I lost the Hawaii handgun course paper. The only ones I can find are from Front Sight.
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no one here does anything illegal...
After getting the hunting license. There's some good hog hunting on all the islands. Nothing illegal about culling the piggies on state hunting grounds.
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https://gohunthawaii.ehawaii.gov/public/basic-classes.html
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
The in-person Hawaii Hunter's Ed course doesn't include live fire training, but the state accepts that training certification card for handgun permits in order to avoid the legal challenges of forcing gun buyers to pay for training to exercise a right. You'll be mailed the same certification card the in-person class issues.
The Hawaii Gun statues (HRS 134) reference the Hunter's Ed statute (HRS 183D-28). As long as you get the certificate and can use it to buy hunting licenses, you can also use it to apply for a handgun Permit to Acquire.
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for the HPD or DLNR. All I know is what the law states and what the online hunter's ed website states.
If the online class didn't meet the same standards as the in-person class, they couldn't legitimately offer the same certification.
DLNR already had a "combo" option in which you could take the class online and do the test in-person. So, there's really not much different with the new course with regard to content and certification.
Thanks for your detailed reply and explanation!
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X-ring does an Arizona CCW reciprocity course unless they stopped.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/ba13787e30bea88af8e5d092f3c4fbfb.jpg)
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X-ring does an Arizona CCW reciprocity course unless they stopped.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/ba13787e30bea88af8e5d092f3c4fbfb.jpg)
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You don't need to take a course anymore.
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After getting the hunting license. There's some good hog hunting on all the islands. Nothing illegal about culling the piggies on state hunting grounds.
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i think you need to study more...
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You don't need to take a course anymore.
you haven't had to take a class for a long time...
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You don't need to take a course anymore.
Mostly true. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
AZ does require a CCW permit applicant "demonstrate competence with a firearm." There is a long list of ways to do that.
https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03112.htm
N. An applicant shall demonstrate competence with a firearm through any of the following:
1. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class that is available to the general public, that is offered by a law enforcement agency, a junior college, a college or a private or public institution, academy, organization or firearms training school and that is approved by the department of public safety or that uses instructors who are certified by the national rifle association.
2. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Arizona game and fish department or a similar agency of another state.
3. Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or training course.
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class that is offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies or other divisions or subdivisions of law enforcement or security enforcement and that is approved by the department of public safety.
5. Evidence of current military service or proof of honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions from the United States armed forces.
6. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.
7. Completion of any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualification to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties.
8. Completion of any other firearms safety or training course or class that is conducted by a department of public safety approved or national rifle association certified firearms instructor.
If you have purchased a handgun in Hawaii, you should be GTG.
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Great story. What do you propose as a solution?
LOL.
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I asked, because RSN172 lost his affidavit for the Hawaii handgun safety course -- different from Hunter's Ed.
If I'm correct, he hasn't taken the Hunter's Ed course yet, and sees the online course as a way to "replace" the affidavit with a Hunter's Ed certificate.
My interpretation, but I might not be correct.
Your assumption is correct. I need to get a hunting license anyway, as I read somewhere that you are supposed to have a hunting license even to hunt on your own property. If I can use the Hunter Ed course to replace my lost handgun certificate, that would be a bonus. Hawaii should accept course certificates from mainland firearms schools, which are far more comprehensive than the one day course to acquire here. So before I continue begin to shoot pigs on my property, I want to meet all legal requirements first.
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you haven't had to take a class for a long time...
It wasn't a course, more like just reviewing the CCW requirements, filling out forms for finger printing and the application itself. The majority of the time was filling out the application, the next day I went to (Susie's?) next to Ruth's Chris for finger printing and sealing the envelope and posting it in the mail. 3 weeks later I received my CCW.
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Great story. What do you propose as a solution?
All hunter safety classes include showing a proficiency
and safe handling of guns.
Final exam, after the written test, the students have to shoot
and hit things at a gun range.
A week after the class room instruction.
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I asked, because RSN172 lost his affidavit for the Hawaii handgun safety course -- different from Hunter's Ed.
If I'm correct, he hasn't taken the Hunter's Ed course yet, and sees the online course as a way to "replace" the affidavit with a Hunter's Ed certificate.
My interpretation, but I might not be correct.
ahhh, I see, said the blind man. my bad.
as they say, reading is fundamental, I came up a little short.
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ahhh, I see, said the blind man. my bad.
as they say, reading is fundamental, I came up a little short.
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I was very happy that we finally got an online version of this course (thanks COVID). I took it, and it took about two days for me doing it pretty aggressively. Definitely worth the $20 or whatever it was, because the handgun classes you need to acquire are seven or times more expensive and are always full.
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I was very happy that we finally got an online version of this course (thanks COVID). I took it, and it took about two days for me doing it pretty aggressively. Definitely worth the $20 or whatever it was, because the handgun classes you need to acquire are seven or times more expensive and are always full.
While I agree the cost savings is big, the convenience of the now 100% online course is great, and it satisfies a state handgun permit to acquire requirement that I think shouldn't exist in its present form, I don't like that many will take it for the handgun permit and not bother to take any other training.
I recommend that anyone buying a new gun who hasn't had hands-on training in the past be responsible and avail themselves of a good quality course. Even with my military training, it wasn't enough. I took the 5-day Concealed Handgun course at Front Sight in Nevada a few years ago. Great course. Lots of different scenarios teaching handgun use and classroom time that covered laws and the aftermath of using a gun for self defense -- things the military didn't cover.
I don't like the state mandating "standardized" training to get a handgun and not a long gun. I also don't like that they offer a course that includes no range time while requiring range time for other courses. If the intent is safety, they need to be consistent.
If I were in charge, I would have waived the handgun course affidavit requirement during COVID altogether. With the range closures, stay-at-home-orders, and social distancing requirements, the range training was going to be impossible to schedule, if not difficult to effectively accomplish while wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart at a noisy range. Then there's the ammo situation.
You have a right to keep and bear arms. As with any tool that can cause death or serious injury (cars, cooking appliances, knives, power tools, ladders...), you have a responsibility to know how to safely store and use them. If you don't know already, get some help to learn it. If you already know, taking a course can be beneficial, but should not be required.
I'm tempted to take the hunting course myself, just to see what it contains. I'm curious how much of Hawaii Revised Statute 134 are discussed for firearms. That's really the kind of training that's needed -- to make sure you don't step on a legal landmine purposely planted by lawmakers to turn law abiding gun owners into criminals.
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You have a right to keep and bear arms. As with any tool that can cause death or serious injury (cars, cooking appliances, knives, power tools, ladders...), you have a responsibility to know how to safely store and use them. If you don't know already, get some help to learn it. If you already know, taking a course can be beneficial, but should not be required.
This is the nutshell of firearm ownership.
With rights comes responsibilities, but not requirements. How many of these elected officials, Anti2A groups, etc, go and spout lies, fabrications and incitement of violence without any repercussions? Imagine a world where you had to get a permit from the government to use facespace. Words have caused more damage than any gun.
Sorry :stopjack:
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With rights comes responsibilities, but not requirements.
Imagine a world where you had to get a permit from the government to use facespace.
Waaait for it.
Waaait for it.
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Hawaii DLNR now has an official Hunters Education course online to qualify you for a hunting license and a permit to acquire a handgun. This is a 4 to 6 hour course entirely online and costs $19.95. DLNR has suspended their in class hunters education course due to COVID and stopped doing the hybrid online/classroom course.
This class does not teach you how to shoot a gun, so is best reserved for those that already know how to shoot a handgun and need a qualifying training course.
https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
Thanks for the info Todd! I'm taking the course this week. There may be a market in culling piggies like Texas, farmers were paying $20 per hog.
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Thanks for the info Todd! I'm taking the course this week. There may be a market in culling piggies like Texas, farmers were paying $20 per hog.
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I know someone that does that for the golf courses so there are cases for it. There's also a deer overpopulation problem on Maui that eat up farm crops. There may be other permits you need, I dunno.
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This may have already been answered, but I have to be 100% does the Texas Hunter-ed certification work, I already have this certification. To acquire fire arm for pistol
I took the pistol class awhile back and they didn't add the suffix to my name on the affidavit and I had no issues registering my firearms in the past, but I went this week and it was an issue, but I have my texas hunter-ed certification will this work instead?
thank you
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I’m pretty sure it has to be Hawaii hunter’s ed
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This may have already been answered, but I have to be 100% does the Texas Hunter-ed certification work, I already have this certification. To acquire fire arm for pistol
I took the pistol class awhile back and they didn't add the suffix to my name on the affidavit and I had no issues registering my firearms in the past, but I went this week and it was an issue, but I have my texas hunter-ed certification will this work instead?
thank you
(g) Effective July 1, 1995, no person shall be issued a permit under this section for the acquisition of a pistol or revolver unless the person, at any time prior to the issuance of the permit, has completed:
(1) An approved hunter education course as authorized under section 183D-28;
§183D-28 Hunter education program. (a) The department shall establish a hunter education program to provide instruction in hunter safety, principles of conservation, and sportsmanship. Upon successful completion of the program, the department shall issue to the graduate a hunter education certificate which shall be valid for the life of the person. This certification shall be rescinded by judicial action upon the conviction of a wildlife and/or firearms violation. No person shall be eligible for a hunting license unless the person possesses a valid hunter education certificate or meets the requirements for exemption provided in subsection (b)(2), and is either:
(1) Born after December 31, 1971; or
(2) Born before January 1, 1972, and has never been issued a hunting license in the State.
(b) A person who meets the minimum age requirements adopted pursuant to subsection (c) shall be exempt from the requirements of subsection (a) if the person:
(1) Was born before January 1, 1972, and at one time possessed a hunting license issued by the State; provided that the person shows satisfactory proof to the department that the person had possessed the hunting license;
(2) Has successfully completed a course or program of hunter education and safety that is approved by the International Hunter Education Association and meets the requirements of Chapter 12 of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service Federal Aid Manual, as revised; provided that the person shows satisfactory proof in the form of a certificate, wallet card, or other document issued by a state, province, or country evidencing successful completion of the course or program; or
It's a little vague, but my interpretation is, you can be issued a hunting license if you have an approved out-of-state Hunter's Ed certificate or card. That doesn't automatically translate into a valid certificate for a Permit to Acquire application. However, I guess you could argue the course is "authorized under section 183D-28," if it is allowed for hunting in Hawaii. Nothing says the course must be the Hawaii-administered course.
HPD will let you know what they accept or don't. Chances are, they will not accept non-Hawaii Hunter's Ed cards.
As for the affidavit, if you can contact the trainer, maybe they can issue a replacement letter with the corrected name. If it was their mistake, they should be willing to make it right. Worth a try. They might also take the position that you should have caught that when the affidavit was picked up.
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The bright side is that you can get some excellent insider local knowledge and meet some really cool people in the hi hunters ed course
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It's a little vague, but my interpretation is, you can be issued a hunting license if you have an approved out-of-state Hunter's Ed certificate or card. That doesn't automatically translate into a valid certificate for a Permit to Acquire application. However, I guess you could argue the course is "authorized under section 183D-28," if it is allowed for hunting in Hawaii. Nothing says the course must be the Hawaii-administered course.
HPD will let you know what they accept or don't. Chances are, they will not accept non-Hawaii Hunter's Ed cards.
As for the affidavit, if you can contact the trainer, maybe they can issue a replacement letter with the corrected name. If it was their mistake, they should be willing to make it right. Worth a try. They might also take the position that you should have caught that when the affidavit was picked up.
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Thanks for the response, so I am taking the online hunter-ed for hawaii, but in the name field they only require First/Last same with texas. I don't see anywhere where I can input my middle or Suffix to match my passport or drivers license, how will this even benefit me if my affidavit is only missing my suffix.
Thank tho
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Thanks for the response, so I am taking the online hunter-ed for hawaii, but in the name field they only require First/Last same with texas. I don't see anywhere where I can input my middle or Suffix to match my passport or drivers license, how will this even benefit me if my affidavit is only missing my suffix.
Thank tho
Sounds like whoever at HPD helped you last is being less than helpful. I checked my affidavit, and the only personally identifiable information that associates me with that paper is my name: First MI Last.
No social security number, no date of birth and no address. I would think if they really cared about matching affidavits with people, there would be a bit more info than my name on the paper, huh? Is there really nobody on island with the same name?
I haven't taken the hunters Ed course, but the sample card online shows First & Last but nothing else.
If it were me, I'd ask to talk to a supervisor and explain the problem. If the online course application and Hunters Ed card don't accommodate MI or Suffix, then HPD policy should not require them simply because your picture ID is more accurate.
It's an administrative snafu they could easily solve if they wanted to. Instead, they are jerking you around for no legitimate reason.
Don't get angry. Just talk to someone who sets policy rather than someone who just follows it.
Not saying they'll make an exception, but you might be making life easier for yourself and all those Jrs, Srs, and 3rds that come after you. :thumbsup: