Online Hunters Education Course (Read 15815 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2021, 12:49:15 PM »
they = DLNR.

I asked, because RSN172 lost his affidavit for the Hawaii handgun safety course -- different from Hunter's Ed.

If I'm correct, he hasn't taken the Hunter's Ed course yet, and sees the online course as a way to "replace" the affidavit with a Hunter's Ed certificate.

My interpretation, but I might not be correct.

That would be good for me. I lost the Hawaii handgun course paper.  The only ones I can find are from Front Sight.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Phazuka

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2021, 12:53:54 PM »
no one here does anything illegal...
After getting the hunting license.  There's some good hog hunting on all the islands.  Nothing illegal about culling the piggies on state hunting grounds.

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surfmaster

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2021, 01:01:27 PM »
https://gohunthawaii.ehawaii.gov/public/basic-classes.html

https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/

The in-person Hawaii Hunter's Ed course doesn't include live fire training, but the state accepts that training certification card for handgun permits in order to avoid the legal challenges of forcing gun buyers to pay for training to exercise a right.  You'll be mailed the same certification card the in-person class issues. 

The Hawaii Gun statues (HRS 134) reference the Hunter's Ed statute (HRS 183D-28).  As long as you get the certificate and can use it to buy hunting licenses, you can also use it to apply for a handgun Permit to Acquire.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for the HPD or DLNR.  All I know is what the law states and what the online hunter's ed website states.

If the online class didn't meet the same standards as the in-person class, they couldn't legitimately offer the same certification. 

DLNR already had a "combo" option in which you could take the class online and do the test in-person.  So, there's really not much different with the new course with regard to content and certification.

Thanks for your detailed reply and explanation!

Phazuka

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2021, 01:01:55 PM »
X-ring does an Arizona CCW reciprocity course unless they stopped.

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ren

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2021, 01:14:04 PM »
X-ring does an Arizona CCW reciprocity course unless they stopped.

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You don't need to take a course anymore.
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macsak

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2021, 01:55:27 PM »
After getting the hunting license.  There's some good hog hunting on all the islands.  Nothing illegal about culling the piggies on state hunting grounds.

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i think you need to study more...

macsak

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2021, 01:56:06 PM »
You don't need to take a course anymore.

you haven't had to take a class for a long time...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2021, 02:00:34 PM »
You don't need to take a course anymore.

Mostly true.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:

AZ does require a CCW permit applicant "demonstrate competence with a firearm."  There is a long list of ways to do that.

https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03112.htm

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N. An applicant shall demonstrate competence with a firearm through any of the following:

1. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class that is available to the general public, that is offered by a law enforcement agency, a junior college, a college or a private or public institution, academy, organization or firearms training school and that is approved by the department of public safety or that uses instructors who are certified by the national rifle association.

2. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Arizona game and fish department or a similar agency of another state.

3. Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or training course.

4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class that is offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies or other divisions or subdivisions of law enforcement or security enforcement and that is approved by the department of public safety.

5. Evidence of current military service or proof of honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions from the United States armed forces.

6. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.

7. Completion of any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualification to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties.

8. Completion of any other firearms safety or training course or class that is conducted by a department of public safety approved or national rifle association certified firearms instructor.

If you have purchased a handgun in Hawaii, you should be GTG.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

WTF?Shane

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2021, 06:54:49 PM »
Great story. What do you propose as a solution?

LOL.

RSN172

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2021, 09:25:16 PM »
I asked, because RSN172 lost his affidavit for the Hawaii handgun safety course -- different from Hunter's Ed.

If I'm correct, he hasn't taken the Hunter's Ed course yet, and sees the online course as a way to "replace" the affidavit with a Hunter's Ed certificate.

My interpretation, but I might not be correct.
Your assumption is correct. I need to get a hunting license anyway, as I read somewhere that you are supposed to have a hunting license even to hunt on your own property.  If I can use the Hunter Ed course to replace my lost handgun certificate, that would be a bonus.  Hawaii should accept course certificates from mainland firearms schools, which are far more comprehensive than the one day course to acquire here.  So before I continue begin to shoot pigs on my property, I want to meet all legal requirements first.
Happily living in Puna

Phazuka

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2021, 09:46:25 AM »
you haven't had to take a class for a long time...
It wasn't a course, more like just reviewing the CCW requirements, filling out forms for finger printing and the application itself.  The majority of the time was filling out the application, the next day I went to (Susie's?) next to Ruth's Chris for finger printing and sealing the envelope and posting it in the mail.  3 weeks later I received my CCW.

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groveler

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2021, 10:24:19 AM »
Great story. What do you propose as a solution?
All hunter safety classes include showing a proficiency
and safe handling of guns.
Final exam, after the written test,  the students have to shoot
and hit things at a gun range.
A week after the class room instruction.



rpoL98

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2021, 01:52:47 PM »
I asked, because RSN172 lost his affidavit for the Hawaii handgun safety course -- different from Hunter's Ed.

If I'm correct, he hasn't taken the Hunter's Ed course yet, and sees the online course as a way to "replace" the affidavit with a Hunter's Ed certificate.

My interpretation, but I might not be correct.
ahhh, I see, said the blind man.  my bad.

as they say, reading is fundamental, I came up a little short.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2021, 03:19:27 PM »
ahhh, I see, said the blind man.  my bad.

as they say, reading is fundamental, I came up a little short.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Pancakes

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2021, 09:05:32 AM »
I was very happy that we finally got an online version of this course (thanks COVID). I took it, and it took about two days for me doing it pretty aggressively. Definitely worth the $20 or whatever it was, because the handgun classes you need to acquire are seven or times more expensive and are always full.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2021, 11:09:32 AM »
I was very happy that we finally got an online version of this course (thanks COVID). I took it, and it took about two days for me doing it pretty aggressively. Definitely worth the $20 or whatever it was, because the handgun classes you need to acquire are seven or times more expensive and are always full.

While I agree the cost savings is big, the convenience of the now 100% online course is great, and it satisfies a state handgun permit to acquire requirement that I think shouldn't exist in its present form, I don't like that many will take it for the handgun permit and not bother to take any other training.

I recommend that anyone buying a new gun who hasn't had hands-on training in the past be responsible and avail themselves of a good quality course.  Even with my military training, it wasn't enough.  I took the 5-day Concealed Handgun course at Front Sight in Nevada a few years ago.  Great course.  Lots of different scenarios teaching handgun use and classroom time that covered laws and the aftermath of using a gun for self defense -- things the military didn't cover.

I don't like the state mandating "standardized" training to get a handgun and not a long gun.  I also don't like that they offer a course that includes no range time while requiring range time for other courses.  If the intent is safety, they need to be consistent.

If I were in charge, I would have waived the handgun course affidavit requirement during COVID altogether.  With the range closures, stay-at-home-orders, and social distancing requirements, the range training was going to be impossible to schedule, if not difficult to effectively accomplish while wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart at a noisy range.  Then there's the ammo situation.

You have a right to keep and bear arms.  As with any tool that can cause death or serious injury (cars, cooking appliances, knives, power tools, ladders...), you have a responsibility to know how to safely store and use them.  If you don't know already, get some help to learn it.  If you already know, taking a course can be beneficial, but should not be required.

I'm tempted to take the hunting course myself, just to see what it contains.  I'm curious how much of Hawaii Revised Statute 134 are discussed for firearms.  That's really the kind of training that's needed -- to make sure you don't step on a legal landmine purposely planted by lawmakers to turn law abiding gun owners into criminals.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

6716J

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2021, 12:03:43 PM »
You have a right to keep and bear arms. As with any tool that can cause death or serious injury (cars, cooking appliances, knives, power tools, ladders...), you have a responsibility to know how to safely store and use them.  If you don't know already, get some help to learn it.  If you already know, taking a course can be beneficial, but should not be required.

This is the nutshell of firearm ownership.

With rights comes responsibilities, but not requirements. How many of these elected officials, Anti2A groups, etc, go and spout lies, fabrications and incitement of violence without any repercussions? Imagine a world where you had to get a permit from the government to use facespace. Words have caused more damage than any gun.

Sorry  :stopjack:
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Rocky

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2021, 05:46:12 PM »

With rights comes responsibilities, but not requirements.
 Imagine a world where you had to get a permit from the government to use facespace.

Waaait for it.
Waaait for it.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Phazuka

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2021, 10:32:42 AM »
Hawaii DLNR now has an official Hunters Education course online to qualify you for a hunting license and a permit to acquire a handgun.  This is a 4 to 6 hour course entirely online and costs $19.95.  DLNR has suspended their in class hunters education course due to COVID and stopped doing the hybrid online/classroom course.

This class does not teach you how to shoot a gun, so is best reserved for those that already know how to shoot a handgun and need a qualifying training course. 

https://www.hunter-ed.com/hawaii/
Thanks for the info Todd!  I'm taking the course this week.  There may be a market in culling piggies like Texas, farmers were paying $20 per hog.

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zippz

Re: Online Hunters Education Course
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2021, 11:18:20 AM »
Thanks for the info Todd!  I'm taking the course this week.  There may be a market in culling piggies like Texas, farmers were paying $20 per hog.

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I know someone that does that for the golf courses so there are cases for it.  There's also a deer overpopulation problem on Maui that eat up farm crops.  There may be other permits you need, I dunno.